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Missionary Positron: Jul 6, 2004; And now for something completely different

Reverand maynard posted:

lmao

Poland is already a part of the German economic hegemony fuelled by ~globalism~ via the EU, and who the gently caress cares about Ukraine

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PookBear: Nov 1, 2008

Missionary Positron posted:

Poland is already a part of the German economic hegemony fuelled by ~globalism~ via the EU, and who the gently caress cares about Ukraine

no country is EVER going to voluntarily give up their nuclear weapons again after seeing what happened in Ukraine.

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Duzzy Funlop: Jan 13, 2010; Hi there, would you like to try some spicy products?

Germany has already planned on increasing its defense budget by something like 10%, which is loving huge for us, but Trump will manage to somehow take credit for that, I'm sure.

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Flikken: Oct 23, 2009; 10,363 snaps and not a playoff win to show for it

Reverand maynard posted:

no country is EVER going to voluntarily give up their nuclear weapons again after seeing what happened in Ukraine.

Add that in with Libya giving up their chemical weapons programs.

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Missionary Positron: Jul 6, 2004; And now for something completely different

https://twitter.com/davidmackau/status/868854971713933312

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Duzzy Funlop: Jan 13, 2010; Hi there, would you like to try some spicy products?

Excuse me, that's a regular-sized beer down there, that's not her drowning her sorrows.

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Kawasaki Nun: Jul 16, 2001; by Reene

That bitch bluffing haaaaaard yeah

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Casimir Radon: Aug 2, 2008

Oh boy, we're going to have to unfuck all oir international relationships again. Even Condi Rice's State Department wasn't this bad.

# ? May 28, 2017 18:04

Kuroyama: Sep 15, 2012; no fucking Anime in GiP

Duzzy Funlop posted:

Excuse me, that's a regular-sized beer down there, that's not her drowning her sorrows.

It's a new beer each pic, she's using for the "5 drinks in a minute" method of sorrow drowning.

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Serjeant Buzfuz: Dec 5, 2009

Edit: Wrong thread wow.

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orange juche: Mar 14, 2012

Casimir Radon posted:

Oh boy, we're going to have to unfuck all oir international relationships again. Even Condi Rice's State Department wasn't this bad.

What happens if we reach the point where a sane president and their staff is unable to undo the damage from Trump?

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Casimir Radon: Aug 2, 2008

orange juche posted:

What happens if we reach the point where a sane president and their staff is unable to undo the damage from Trump?

I think our biggest advantage is that people in other countries realize that Trump is despised by more than half of the voting population. This isn't like Iraq where people were still behind Bush or the idea that they were supporting the troops. If we had a repeat of 9/11 tomorrow I doubt any significant portion of Donnie's critics would get behind him because he's an idiot and the worst possible person to handle any scale of crisis.

Ourside of starting a war more unjustified than Iraq I don't see any dipolomatic damage that can't be largely mitigated over 8 years of repair.

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Duzzy Funlop: Jan 13, 2010; Hi there, would you like to try some spicy products?

Having experience how the climate was under Bush, I genuinely feel bad for Americans living in / visiting Germany now / in the near future. poo poo's pretty bad after just over four months...

# ? May 28, 2017 18:27

Acebuckeye13: Nov 2, 2010; Ultra Carp

Casimir Radon posted:

I think our biggest advantage is that people in other countries realize that Trump is despised by more than half of the voting population. This isn't like Iraq where people were still behind Bush or the idea that they were supporting the troops. If we had a repeat of 9/11 tomorrow I doubt any significant portion of Donnie's critics would get behind him because he's an idiot and the worst possible person to handle any scale of crisis.

Ourside of starting a war more unjustified than Iraq I don't see any dipolomatic damage that can't be largely mitigated over 8 years of repair.

The problem is that other countries are going to be much more inherently wary of trusting the US and our political systems. Sure, there will probably be someone who's much less crazy in office in four years. But what about four years after that? Or eight years? If someone as dangerously unqualified as Trump could become President once, what guarantee is there that this won't happen again in the future?

To an extent, the damage has already been done. Other countries know they can't rely on the US, and will be making their own long-term agendas without the assumption of US support-or opposition. Maybe in ten, twenty years, once Trump is a forgotten Carter or H.W. Bush-esque footnote, things will have returned to 'normal'. But that's a long time in coming, and it's going to hurt us severely in the short and medium term.

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orange juche: Mar 14, 2012

Anyone can be the president is a good thing in theory, but holy poo poo it does not work with the running of a superpower at all.

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Missionary Positron: Jul 6, 2004; And now for something completely different

https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/868885932040212480

I guess you could put it that way.

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AreWeDrunkYet: Jul 8, 2006

Missionary Positron posted:

Tbh, a properly funded & equipped German military would be a huge boon for European stability and deterring Russia.

How? In what way would have conventional German military capacity have impacted, say, Russian interference in Ukraine?

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milk milk lemonade: Jul 29, 2016

Acebuckeye13 posted:

The problem is that other countries are going to be much more inherently wary of trusting the US and our political systems. Sure, there will probably be someone who's much less crazy in office in four years. But what about four years after that? Or eight years? If someone as dangerously unqualified as Trump could become President once, what guarantee is there that this won't happen again in the future?

To an extent, the damage has already been done. Other countries know they can't rely on the US, and will be making their own long-term agendas without the assumption of US support-or opposition. Maybe in ten, twenty years, once Trump is a forgotten Carter or H.W. Bush-esque footnote, things will have returned to 'normal'. But that's a long time in coming, and it's going to hurt us severely in the short and medium term.

On one hand that's true.

On the other hand, we're The Motherfucking United States of America. If the rest of the world didn't learn their lesson after the Trail of Tears, Gulf of Tonkin, Iran-Contra, overthrowing Mossadegh, installing Pinochet, overthrowing Lumumba and Goulart and Arenz, manufacturing Cassius Belli for The Iraqi Boogaloo 2: Daddy's Unfinished Business, destroying economies of countries that don't agree with us or pull the same poo poo we do, sanctimoniously decrying corruption around the world while establishing institutions and laws designed to funnel tax dollars to politicians, generally being a bunch of psychotic exceptionalist pissbaby assholes then when are they going to learn. The US is the home of the internet, and more specifically Netflix. We have all the leverage.

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Missionary Positron: Jul 6, 2004; And now for something completely different

AreWeDrunkYet posted:

How? In what way would have conventional German military capacity have impacted, say, Russian interference in Ukraine?

Ukraine is not a part of the EU, while the Baltic states & Poland are. The Poles can take care of themselves, but a proper German military can act as an effective deterrent in the Baltics.

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Accretionist: Nov 7, 2012; I BELIEVE IN STUPID CONSPIRACY THEORIES

milk milk lemonade posted:

On one hand that's true.

On the other hand, we're The Motherfucking United States of America. If the rest of the world didn't learn their lesson after the Trail of Tears, Gulf of Tonkin, Iran-Contra, overthrowing Mossadegh, installing Pinochet, overthrowing Lumumba and Goulart and Arenz, manufacturing Cassius Belli for The Iraqi Boogaloo 2: Daddy's Unfinished Business, destroying economies of countries that don't agree with us or pull the same poo poo we do, sanctimoniously decrying corruption around the world while establishing institutions and laws designed to funnel tax dollars to politicians, generally being a bunch of psychotic exceptionalist pissbaby assholes then when are they going to learn. The US is the home of the internet, and more specifically Netflix. We have all the leverage.

A precondition to all of which was the unique post-WWII environment which gave us incredible wealth and power. That environment is gone and if we forfeit the privileged position it gave us, we don't get it back.

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Pycckuu: Sep 13, 2011; by FactsAreUseless

Haha Dolan Drumpf is bad!
*checks 401k*
It appears Mr. Trump is actually good...

# ? May 28, 2017 19:12

AreWeDrunkYet: Jul 8, 2006

Missionary Positron posted:

Ukraine is not a part of the EU, while the Baltic states & Poland are. The Poles can take care of themselves, but a proper German military can act as an effective deterrent in the Baltics.

That's assuming Russia does something to trigger military protection from NATO, which would be a radical step regardless of whether Germany spends 2 or 4 % of gdp on their military.

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Missionary Positron: Jul 6, 2004; And now for something completely different

AreWeDrunkYet posted:

That's assuming Russia does something to trigger military protection from NATO, which would be a radical step regardless of whether Germany spends 2 or 4 % of gdp on their military.

I was supposing that the US is gonna flake on Article V, which seems pretty likely these days. In that scenario it does make sense for a properly equipped German military to take the center stage in regards to European security & stability,

# ? May 28, 2017 19:40

Flikken: Oct 23, 2009; 10,363 snaps and not a playoff win to show for it

Missionary Positron posted:

I was supposing that the US is gonna flake on Article V, which seems pretty likely these days. In that scenario it does make sense for a properly equipped German military to take the center stage in regards to European security & stability,

Aren't we the only ones to have ever invoked Article V, after 9/11?

# ? May 28, 2017 19:49