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Groovelord Neato posted:https://www.amazon.com/Shattered-Inside-Hillary-Clintons-Campaign/dp/0553447084 sorry are you trying to get me to buy your book wrong forum nerd gently caress me im running out of dog pics 
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Google Butt posted:I did that for some middle school grants when I was a kid and it was a rewarding experience. It's probably safe to say that people are more conscious of politics now than before the election, dems should be putting out ads or something that describe different ways to help from home. Stress that it's actually personally rewarding, maybe. Yeah! I think dems trying to get more and more people involved and engaging when clearly there is a deep dissatisfaction with the state of affairs as it is would be a good thing. I mean not just helping from home too, I think doing a bigger push for volunteers in every arena would be a good thing. The more people we have out there reaching out, the better we'll do, hopefully.
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skylined! posted:sorry are you trying to get me to buy your book does anybody still post in d&d book thread?
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flashman posted:Yeah best to quash these revolutionary ideas like "healthcare for everyone" or "a living working wage". The status quo is garbage and a system that will facilitate it is as well. What are you talking about? With a more representative system, it will self-correct from the current rightist skew that exists.
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stone cold posted:does anybody still post in d&d book thread? everyone please post in book threads book forum so lonely come to book forum and book with us
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flashman posted:Yeah best to quash these revolutionary ideas like "healthcare for everyone" or "a living working wage". The status quo is garbage and a system that will facilitate it is as well. Considering the Democrats are the centrists and they want those things...
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May 28, 2017 18:48
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:everyone please post in book threads it's a trap they'll turn you into a book
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Pakled posted:Considering the Democrats are the centrists and they want those things... I must have missed the single payer and living wage policies on hillaryclintondotcom
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May 28, 2017 18:49
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There Bias Two posted:What are you talking about? With a more representative system, it will self-correct from the current rightist skew that exists. I think they are taking issue with RuanGuachos framing, as it makes it look like they think centrism is good and sustainable.
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May 28, 2017 18:50
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stone cold posted:it's a trap the greatest gift socialist wizard can bestow
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stone cold posted:Oh gosh paracaidas Y'all look the sa-  my bad, fixed Paradoxish posted:I'm disputing the idea that a majority of Americans contributed to Trump's victory and nothing else. A majority of Americans either voted for Trump or did not vote to stop him. This is the primary claim I've been seeing pushback against? To take this back to the very beginning, for those who are joining the thread's Slapfight Already In Progress: We started with these two posts: cant cook creole bream posted:Seriously though, Donald J Trump!? What where you even thinking? That decision reflects badly on every single one of you. Even the ones who didn't vote for him. In the eyes of foreign nations the average American is an idiot who voted a national embarrassment into the highest office to represent you. BabyFur Denny posted:If you meet an American the chances are over 50% that he either voted for Trump or didn't care enough to vote against him. That's all we think of when we meet one of your kind. We then took a turn down "Actually," road. In which a few of my fellow Americans, unable to brook this foreign If our foreigners had said "chances are better than 50% that any American you meet who voted in the 2016 presidential election voted for Donald Trump" it would have been both unwieldy phrasing and utterly mockable. Rather than back down, we instead went down a trio of rabbit holes:
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Pakled posted:Considering the Democrats are the centrists and they want those things... Yeah my point is right now we have an insanely smsll minority somehow in control of the government and social media normalizes this in a way that really shouldnt be. The average GOP voter is a product of the system and a small aristocratic cabal of shitheads that have taken the flaws in the laws of our current system and given them outsized power. We cant really do much worse than we are short of going full fasc. flashman posted:I must have missed the single payer and living wage policies on hillaryclintondotcom Maybe I'm just getting old but it seems glaringly obvious to me that the stable resilient beuorcracy is the only thing thats stopped Trump and his allies and i want to continue that tradition especially if it means we get more representative government at the cost of some glorious Hollywood ideal of finally defeating the evil GOP so everyone stood up and clapped. Peace and prosperity for all is the real end goal, not the enactment of the policies unto themselves. RuanGacho fucked around with this message at 18:56 on May 28, 2017 |
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skylined! posted:the greatest gift socialist wizard can bestow yeah but sometimes his spells backfire like imagine being that poor guy who got turned into orlando bloom's copy of the fountainhead what im saying is dont trust hieronymus alloy
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when can the states just balkanize and finally follow their idealogical aspirations? i want my new england mini-state that has rational discourse. let the Ya'll Qaeda southerners do what they want.
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May 28, 2017 18:53
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BRISTOL PALINS BABY posted:when can the states just balkanize and finally follow their idealogical aspirations? i want my new england mini-state that has rational discourse. let the Ya'll Qaeda southerners do what they want. Someone post that map of the US broken into 11 countries
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WeAreTheRomans posted:Someone post that map of the US broken into 11 countries where's fishmech when you need him
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BRISTOL PALINS BABY posted:when can the states just balkanize and finally follow their idealogical aspirations? i want my new england mini-state that has rational discourse. let the Ya'll Qaeda southerners do what they want. If it wasn't for the issue of nuclear weapons I unironically think that would be the best outcome.
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As a South Carolinian god no. We'd make South Africa under apartheid look good.
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RuanGacho posted:Yeah my point is right now we have an insanely smsll minority somehow in control of the government and social media normalizes this in a way that really shouldnt be. The average GOP voter is a product of the system and a small aristocratic cabal of shitheads that have taken the flaws in the laws of our current system and given them outsized power. We cant really do much worse than we are short of going full fasc. What have they been stopped from doing, besides by the judiciary?
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And in some ironic twist the Trump thread is keening to "post the map" again.flashman posted:What have they been stopped from doing, besides by the judiciary? Healthcare, Taxes and all the not happened yet things that come after those because the GOP is sexually attracted to fire.
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May 28, 2017 18:59
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BRISTOL PALINS BABY posted:when can the states just balkanize and finally follow their idealogical aspirations? i want my new england mini-state that has rational discourse. let the Ya'll Qaeda southerners do what they want. this is always fun to think about until you remember all the black southerners. 
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Reminder for people arguing with Paracaidas, in the states Trump managed to take in a close call (WI/MI/PA, NC to an extent) hundreds of thousands of people were kept from voting due to targeted suppression by the GOP, including asking for photo ID and turning away people who didn't have it when they didn't need it (like in PA). That doesn't include the general confusion caused by the laws and the lawsuits against them, which as far as the GOP is concerned is a feature and not a bug.Fuzzy Mammal posted:https://i.imgur.com/B3vj7fr.mp4 I want to get off Mr. Trump's wild ride. Wang_Tang posted:The newest hot take regarding the Portland attacker goes even deeper... I wish people like MikeC were rounded up and dumped in to a mass grave in the desert. The world would unironically be a better place if him and his ilk disappeared.
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Lumberjack Bonanza posted:this is always fun to think about until you remember all the black southerners. also native americans i feel like that could get real bad real quick on both counts
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There Bias Two posted:It's good to see Australia stays basically unchanged. Also NYC
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Paracaidas posted:A majority of Americans either voted for Trump or did not vote to stop him. This is the primary claim I've been seeing pushback against? And this is only a meaningful statement if those Americans who did not vote to stop him could have influenced the outcome of the election. This entire argument only serves to diminish the role that the electoral college system played in Trump's victory.
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UNDERSEA NEW YORK RAT NETWORK Lumberjack Bonanza posted:this is always fun to think about until you remember all the black southerners. Gorelab posted:As a South Carolinian god no. We'd make South Africa under apartheid look good.  pleasecomewewantallofyouuuuAstheWorldWorlds posted:If it wasn't for the issue of nuclear weapons I unironically think that would be the best outcome. Yeah, that's where I get stuck too. There'd have to be some international agreement about those.
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Lumberjack Bonanza posted:this is always fun to think about until you remember all the black southerners. It's counter intuitive but you have a greater latitude in terms of saving folks in a foreign nation vs. getting trapped in the same empire that pursues racism as a matter of policy. The deciding factor is to what extent you think the right wing will be able to succeed in spreading that across the union, and I think they have been rather successful and their major victories are yet to come. AstheWorldWorlds fucked around with this message at 19:05 on May 28, 2017 |
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BabyFur Denny posted:Not true. Look at the election for Bavarian parliament . It allows exactly that. Andrast posted:With a proportional system like the nordics have you can in fact vote for you favorite candidate. Both fair points. It's not that it's impossible to merely vote for your favorite candidate in the US; but with a direct system for the highest office in the government, you end up with a larger proportion of people having never voted for the winner and having no say the in the election. A ranked or runoff system would get around that somewhat but it's just going to be the same results, faster.
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AstheWorldWorlds posted:It's counter intuitive but you have a greater latitude in terms of saving folks in a foreign nation vs. getting trapped in the same empire that pursues racism as a matter of policy. The deciding factor is to what extent you think the right wing will be in spreading that across the union, and I think they have been rather successful and their major victories are yet to come. The right wing is much smaller than they appear. The problem is that some parts of modern America see the perpetuation of human suffering as a hobby or ideological mandate or both.
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RuanGacho posted:The right wing is much smaller than they appear. The problem is that some parts of modern America see the perpetuation of human suffering as a hobby or ideological mandate or both. Minoritarian rulerships through sheer power alone are historically quite common and perfectly able to emerge from former republics.
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Party Plane Jones posted:https://twitter.com/dannyhakim/status/868877093119156229 This is some weird mix of stolen valor and vanity I have trouble wrapping my head around. AstheWorldWorlds posted:Minoritarian rulerships through sheer power alone are historically quite common and perfectly able to emerge from former republics. That requires a critical mass of power holders to decide they want mad max instead of Wall Street. I don't see that happening, yet anyway. RuanGacho fucked around with this message at 19:12 on May 28, 2017 |
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RuanGacho posted:And in some ironic twist the Trump thread is keening to "post the map" again. Whatever poo poo pile emerges from the Senate will replace Obamacare. Look at what came from the house. I'm not sure that factionalized infighting that your bill isn't evil enough is a feature of the stable beaurocracy.
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Mendrian posted:A ranked or runoff system would get around that somewhat but it's just going to be the same results, faster. This isn't true; besides increasing voter turnout (since voting for the "lesser evil" wouldn't be as big a deal, which particularly hinders Democratic and leftist candidates compared to Republicans), RCV would kill the spoiler effect, so, for example, LePage wouldn't be governor of Maine, and states where the votes for third-party candidates exceeded the margin Trump beat Hillary by may have had other results as well. (Which is why Maine tried to implement RCV, actually, though it's been blocked there apparently because the state constitution declares that the winner shall be decided by "plurality" of the vote.)
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Paradoxish posted:And this is only a meaningful statement if those Americans who did not vote to stop him could have influenced the outcome of the election. This entire argument only serves to diminish the role that the electoral college system played in Trump's victory. I'm so loving sick of this "but the electoral college" thing. Yes it's fundamentally undemocratic. But fixing that requires a constitutional amendment. Republicans currently have a majority in both houses of Congress. There is no possibility of less than 33 percent Republicans in the Senate after the 2018 election. If you want that amendment, you will need a ton of organization, the support of berniecrats, Democrats who don't share all of your goals, and Republicans.
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Evil Fluffy posted:Reminder for people arguing with Paracaidas, in the states Trump managed to take in a close call (WI/MI/PA, NC to an extent) hundreds of thousands of people were kept from voting due to targeted suppression by the GOP, including asking for photo ID and turning away people who didn't have it when they didn't need it (like in PA). That doesn't include the general confusion caused by the laws and the lawsuits against them, which as far as the GOP is concerned is a feature and not a bug. I don't believe I've ever disregarded or denied this? It's one of the primary reasons that I'm glad the Dems chose someone with such successful track record on voting rights as the head of the DNC. As I posted upthread: Paracaidas posted:This is unconscionable. But even assuming that all ~30m of Hispanic Voter/Non-Hispanic Black Voter/Uncategorized Voters who failed to vote did so because their vote was suppressed (which isn't backed up by the figures of any prior cycle), the fact would remain that the overwhelming majority of the country either voted for Trump or did nothing to stop his election. This holds true even if (for the sake of napkin math) we assume that all of the more than 3m disenfranchised felons fall into this category as well (they are not included in the 230m number above). Paradoxish posted:And this is only a meaningful statement if those Americans who did not vote to stop him could have influenced the outcome of the election. This entire argument only serves to diminish the role that the electoral college system played in Trump's victory. AstheWorldWorlds posted:Minoritarian rulerships through sheer power alone are historically quite common and perfectly able to emerge from former republics.
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