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| Goku |
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202 | 7.09% |
| Vegeta |
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279 | 9.79% |
| Krillin |
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208 | 7.30% |
| Piccolo or his nameks |
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212 | 7.44% |
| Gohan or Cool Gohan |
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135 | 4.74% |
| Yamcha |
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90 | 3.16% |
| Tien |
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120 | 4.21% |
| Muten Roshi |
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89 | 3.12% |
| Tao Pai Pai |
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71 | 2.49% |
| Frieza |
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69 | 2.42% |
| Cell or an android |
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86 | 3.02% |
| Buu |
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62 | 2.18% |
| Hercule "Mark" Satan |
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327 | 11.48% |
| Videl |
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90 | 3.16% |
| Bulma |
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104 | 3.65% |
| Yajirobe |
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99 | 3.47% |
| Ginyu or other Frieza squad guy |
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68 | 2.39% |
| King kai or another kai |
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53 | 1.86% |
| Chi-Chi |
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83 | 2.91% |
| Goten |
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43 | 1.51% |
| Trunks or Cool Trunks |
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112 | 3.93% |
| Bardock |
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48 | 1.68% |
| Other villain of DB,Z, or GT(please post about it!) |
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41 | 1.44% |
| Uub |
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42 | 1.47% |
| Oolong |
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90 | 3.16% |
| Zamasu |
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26 | 0.91% |
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Fuego Fish posted:"Mary Sue" these days just means "a character who isn't a man". If she can fight, or has practical skills, or there's anything remotely interesting about her beyond the way she looks, all the MRA nerds will crawl out of the woodwork to shriek about how she's a Mary Sue. ...Rey from Star Wars, it happens all the time. Rey may not be a Mary Sue exactly but she is not a very good character.
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May 28, 2017 19:31
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She is a Star Wars character, if you are looking for deep characters you are in the wrong franchise.
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May 28, 2017 19:34
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"Mary Sue" is a dumb thing said by people who are incapable of actually articulating arguments about characters and latch onto a poorly defined phrase which they can pretend means something.
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May 28, 2017 19:36
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CharlestheHammer posted:She is a Star Wars character, if you are looking for deep characters you are in the wrong franchise. The guy with light sabers on his knees ( and everywhere else) was extremely deep
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May 28, 2017 19:37
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Like Rey's character is very basic but so was Luke's and Vader was barely a character at all.
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May 28, 2017 19:39
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I only associate Mary Sues with fanfiction because that was where it and its male equivalent Gary Stu were most noticeable and obvious. "Hello I am the secret 3rd child of Goku and Chi-Chi, behold SSJ7." Right before sighing and beating everyone simultaneously with a pinky.
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May 28, 2017 19:41
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ImpAtom posted:"Mary Sue" is a dumb thing said by people who are incapable of actually articulating arguments about characters and latch onto a poorly defined phrase which they can pretend means something. The only time in any film that the term has ever actually meant anything is the Resident Evil live action movies with Alice. That is like, THE ONLY character you could call a Mary Sue, and even then it's more a Self Insert Fanfic character instead of a real Mary Sue. And most of that is because the main actress is married to the writer and director of the movies and they use the movies as basically vacations to gently caress around. So on some level you really can't hold it against them.
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May 28, 2017 19:49
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Hey Kirito in SAO is also A Mary Sue.
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May 28, 2017 19:50
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I dunno. Son of two fan favorites from the future, capable of going Super Saiyan right after its introduction, uses an inexplicable sword and needlessly complex hand gestures, and is introduced effortlessly stomping the series villain who decimated most of the cast. If anyone other than Toriyama wrote, Trunks would be Mary Sue as gently caress.
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May 28, 2017 19:52
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Then Trunks fucks up in a way that makes everything worse. Twice
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May 28, 2017 19:53
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That's why Trunks is not a Mary Sue, but cleverly disguised as one before the Absolute Despair trap is sprung and you're dragged down into his hell
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May 28, 2017 19:54
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Burkion posted:it's more a Self Insert Fanfic character instead of a real Mary Sue. Isn't that the literal definition of a Mary Sue.
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May 28, 2017 20:20
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Pureauthor posted:It just occurred to me that we missed out on an opportunity for Zamas to exploit his immortal body by using Kaioken x100. Don't worry. Your Friendly Neighborhood Toyotaro has your back! Zamasu will use Kaioken x 1000 to beat the crap out of Zeno when they call him in the manga . . . . . . Then Goku will proceed to effortlessly beat Zamasu.
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May 28, 2017 20:24
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a cartoon duck posted:Isn't that the literal definition of a Mary Sue. It's complicated. A true, blue, honest to God Mary Sue is some one who is absolutely perfect in every way. Not necessarily a self insert character, just some one who is so pure and beautiful that no one would go against them and everyone agrees with them. She has no real flaws, except what would make her cute or whatever, and can do no wrong. Villains, if they are capable of hating her, don't hate her because of the normal reasons, but because she's so great and they're jealous. Alice doesn't entirely fit in that category, and a character like Rey absolutely does not and it's really stupid to try and say otherwise.
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May 28, 2017 20:25
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I just caught up on the last 3 or so episodes. This show loving owns. Gohan owns. The Pride Troopers own. Robot dudes own. Caulifla owns. Everything owns. I feel like the visuals have just been getting better over time. They did a lot to made each universe look distinct, and they've been messing around with cool color effects for attacks like with Caulifla's blast in this episode. It looks way better than the beginning of the series, that's for sure. EDIT: Mary Sue arguments are loving dumb and whoever brought this up and/or continued the conversation sucks. EDIT 2: Super-Buff workout man and Giant Marshmallow Sailor Scout also own EDIT 3 TO GO FURTHER BEYOND: Master Roshi molesting Puar didn't own tho. That was kinda really weird and creepy. Augus fucked around with this message at 20:40 on May 28, 2017 |
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May 28, 2017 20:29
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Can we not turn into TV Tropes in the middle of a dragon ball thread
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May 28, 2017 20:41
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I'm still half expecting this Frieza thing to end with Yamcha showing up, Goku being like "oh wait we have Yamcha" and sending frieza back to hell immediately and then not understand why everyone is mad at him. "I got rid of Frieza like you wanted whats wrong?"
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May 28, 2017 21:57
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Kithkar posted:I'm still half expecting this Frieza thing to end with Yamcha showing up, Goku being like "oh wait we have Yamcha" and sending frieza back to hell immediately and then not understand why everyone is mad at him. "I got rid of Frieza like you wanted whats wrong?" they definitely should've thought of yamcha first but couldn't find him because he was like, drowning his sorrows at a nearby bar or something over not being chosen
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May 28, 2017 22:03
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Freeza's demand is going to be an apology for killing him.
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May 28, 2017 22:06
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He's going to ask for Goku's body, next is the Goku White arc.
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May 28, 2017 22:08
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a cartoon duck posted:He's going to ask for Goku's body, next is the Goku White arc. Golden Goku.
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May 28, 2017 22:12
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Gokool
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May 28, 2017 22:35
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gokooler sounds like it'd be a dlc character for fusions
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May 28, 2017 22:37
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Is 17 actually a "nihilist" or is he more like "Well if the universe is probably gonna get destroyed I'd rather spend my last day with my family than smelling Vegeta's power-up farts"? This suggests they actually grew up, as opposed to the fight-addict monkey boys.
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May 28, 2017 23:00
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Fuego Fish posted:"Mary Sue" these days just means "a character who isn't a man". If she can fight, or has practical skills, or there's anything remotely interesting about her beyond the way she looks, all the MRA nerds will crawl out of the woodwork to shriek about how she's a Mary Sue. Furiosa from Mad Max, Rey from Star Wars, it happens all the time. If you say so but you are literally the first person I've ever heard imply this.
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May 28, 2017 23:12
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You're not the first person I've ever heard imply this because it does happen
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May 28, 2017 23:14
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All this Mary-Sue poo poo came out of people in the embryonic days of fanzines, where a lot of people (largely women) had their fan-fiction published, usually about Star Trek. I think the term refers to the perfect angel type of guest-star who just happened to have the same initials as the author who had no flaws and also got to shtup Spock. It has often been misapplied to "female characters, especially those who are successful in action/battle contexts," due to a telephone game through fandom culture. This doesn't stop idiots from being wrong, of course, as they're idiots. It's entirely possible Caulifla or Kale or whoever will be bad characters (in the sense of writing quality) but merely being strong doesn't seem to do it. e: Like, if this thing with Super Saiyan had JUST come up you could have made a case, but the Super Saiyan Bargain Sale has been running for decades
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May 28, 2017 23:52
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Cali and Kale rule and I will hear no ill spoken of them
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May 29, 2017 00:14
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has anyone even said anything bad about them or are people just kvetching over the possibility of a theoretical someone on the internet out there not liking a thing
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May 29, 2017 00:17
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reignofevil posted:If you say so but you are literally the first person I've ever heard imply this. Then you don't pay a lot of attention because that happens all the time.
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May 29, 2017 00:18
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New Leaf posted:Miller High Life, the Champa of Beerus. please die
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May 29, 2017 00:34
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Brother Entropy posted:has anyone even said anything bad about them or are people just kvetching over the possibility of a theoretical someone on the internet out there not liking a thing Yeah, I haven't really seen anyone complain about either character in general. The way Cauli went Super Saiyan had a really bizarre explanation, but the way I see it Cabba just explained the way your body reacts to emotional distress or something, and she was able to imitate it.
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May 29, 2017 00:37
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Brother Entropy posted:has anyone even said anything bad about them or are people just kvetching over the possibility of a theoretical someone on the internet out there not liking a thing Someone, somewhere on the internet doesn't agree with me, therefore I can never know peace.
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May 29, 2017 00:39
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Brother Entropy posted:has anyone even said anything bad about them or are people just kvetching over the possibility of a theoretical someone on the internet out there not liking a thing i am just enthusiastic
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May 29, 2017 00:48
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Can't wait to see Kale Hulk out next week.
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May 29, 2017 00:53
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New Leaf posted:Calling it now, Universe 6 will win the tournament, and their wish will be to fuse with Universe 7 for the delicious Earth Food. Frost and Frieza will form a new space empire to battle the Saiyans, now commanded by the new Admiral Vegeta. Goku will be there too, probably.. Bulma will have to rebuild Capsule Corp from the ground up. Dende will have to make entirely new Dragonballs, along with a sleek new Lookout. The Saiyan children will suddenly be relevant again, training Pan and Bra and fighting against the dangers of the new fused Earth. And finally, Champa and Beerus will fuse to avoid one of them being destroyed, and will become the mighty Miller High Life, the Champa of Beerus. This is all great, but New Leaf posted:Miller High Life, the Champa of Beerus. should be the new thread title. Also, is it an accident that both Cauli and Kale are so close to Kali, the Hindu goddess? On another show, I'd think so, but this show is so into pun names...
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May 29, 2017 00:57
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Momomo posted:Yeah, I haven't really seen anyone complain about either character in general. The way Cauli went Super Saiyan had a really bizarre explanation, but the way I see it Cabba just explained the way your body reacts to emotional distress or something, and she was able to imitate it. it actually zoomed in on her back sparkles cabba's explanation was dumb in a bad way but the rest of the stuff with the u6 crew was good
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May 29, 2017 01:03
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I did like Cabba's feeble attempt to do it the old fashioned way and make Caulifla super mad, but he just can't nut up and do it properly. Honestly nothing about Super Saiyan makes any sense. At the very least you'd think that the race of alien super warriors who presumably trained themselves to the gills and constantly put themselves and their friends in extreme danger would have produced tons of Super Saiyans between the original one and Goku. And then you have 8 year olds going SSJ seemingly because they tripped and stubbed their toe.
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May 29, 2017 01:09
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Manatee Cannon posted:it actually zoomed in on her back sparkles Yeah, and it could be an approximation of how he felt when he got angry. Like when you get sad or nervous, your chest feels tight.
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May 29, 2017 01:35
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Manatee Cannon posted:it actually zoomed in on her back sparkles Cabba's explanation rules because, like, there's no way Goku is pissed enough to just turn into any kind of Super Saiyan all the time. I have a feeling he figured that out for SSJ1 and taught it to Gohan after the initial transformation in the time chamber, but then it's super obvious that Vegeta never figured that out and he just works himself up into a weird tantrum every time he transforms into any stage of it, up to and including Blue 
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