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Star Man posted:Then what's an example of a useful cynical, hard-edged response? Is it armed revolution? Is it population control through violence so that whatever the maximum threshold of a sustainable population is can be met? Is it radical change of how we live so that humanity and any other life can get through the impending environmental crisis? It's making sadbrains posts in a climate change thread on something awful.
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Of course. It's shitposting.
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Star Man posted:Then what's an example of a useful cynical, hard-edged response? Is it armed revolution? Is it population control through violence so that whatever the maximum threshold of a sustainable population is can be met? Is it radical change of how we live so that humanity and any other life can get through the impending environmental crisis? No, you misunderstand, I just think we should be honest about how we've lost control of the situation and that part of the reason why we lost control was our ever-hopeful optimistic wishful thinking. So, if in the next ten or twenty years the discourse can be dominated by mean but honest dialogue about how we've lost control and how poo poo everything is going to be, hopefully that will prove a useful basis for later decisions and decision makers. All this bullshit about how we can still right the ship by changing our consumer habits or starting a petition are just more of that brain-damaged hopeful optimism that got us into this problem. We can't even start to get out of this until we start being honest about how bad it is.
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Star Man posted:Of course. It's shitposting. The answer is always 
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TildeATH posted:No, you misunderstand, I just think we should be honest about how we've lost control of the situation and that part of the reason why we lost control was our ever-hopeful optimistic wishful thinking. So, if in the next ten or twenty years the discourse can be dominated by mean but honest dialogue about how we've lost control and how poo poo everything is going to be, hopefully that will prove a useful basis for later decisions and decision makers. Okay, I think I understand. I don't think I realized the extremes that were coming in this century until I began following the thread, but SA is not the place to have arguments on appropriate action in good faith unless the poo poo posting is killed on sight. The honesty that things are now at the point of no return because methane that was encased in ice is now escaping into the atmosphere is speeding up the destruction of the polar ice caps needs to be the focus. Changes are going to come with how we consume no matter what action or inaction is made because it's inevitable because of the emerging crisis. Petitions can be good, but only if they end in results. I dunno. I swear the biggest reason why things like nuclear power and electrification and efforts to eliminate dependence on fossil fuels is because it's cheaper to get to fossil fuels, takes less time to get them and start using them, and earns money sooner.
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TildeATH posted:if in the next ten or twenty years the discourse can be dominated by mean but honest dialogue about how we've lost control and how poo poo everything is going to be, hopefully that will prove a useful basis for later decisions and decision makers. ^^This.^^ I remembered you posting about differential impact before so I took a look and this -- TildeATH posted:Nah, you're not taking into account the actual dramatically low modern population density of the United States, its enormous agricultural potential, the existence of a major underpopulated hyperborea, and its lack of shared borders with major population dense regions. -- is something in particular which I very much would like to see enter into political discourse. There should be interest now in preparing for a disordered world. I'd even like to see a new term for how we built our civilization around Earth's geography, and that geography is moving away from us. We built on sand.
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Arctic sea ice is, unsurprisingly, falling rapidly. Antarctic sea ice is also not fully recovered. Consequently:
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Wow I wonder what September will look like
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Article: Experts: The Great Barrier Reef cannot be saved From: Vox quote:... Some good information and visuals in the article. Here's one: 
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May 28, 2017 04:56
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Evil_Greven posted:Arctic sea ice is, unsurprisingly, falling rapidly. This is such a weird graph given that the arctic has started moving toward the mean throughout late April and May. It looks like Antarctic Sea Ice Extent continues to struggle after the unusual minimum this year. I know that Antarctica has pretty wide variability compared to the Arctic, but I'm starting to wonder if there is some sort of ocean current or other feedback that's starting to cause Antarctic SIE to start deteriorating like Arctic has been.
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Article: Climate change could make cities 8C hotter – scientists From: The Guardian Date: May 29, 2017 quote:Under a dual onslaught of global warming and localised urban heating, some of the world’s cities may be as much as 8C (14.4F) warmer by 2100, researchers have warned.
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May 30, 2017 07:49
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gently caress yes the sooner we all die the better
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also also, 8C is nothing compared to how hot things will get during global thermonuclear war
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I don't live in an urban area so I don't care
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enraged_camel posted:also also, 8C is nothing compared to how hot things will get during global thermonuclear war On average, global thermonuclear war will actually make the planet cooler
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PIGS BREXIT posted:On average, global thermonuclear war will actually make the planet cooler That assumes nuclear winter, which is only a hypothetical scenario!
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8C? Looking forward to balmy winters. 
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enraged_camel posted:That assumes nuclear winter, which is only a hypothetical scenario! Although Master Blaster's post-apocalyptic raider truck will probably not be fitted with a catalytic converter and the spikes encrusted with skulls will probably reduce his effective gas mileage, this will be more than offset by the savings of no longer having to run a fleet of lorries to supply your local fast food eateries and coffee shops Really it's one of the few practical carbon reduction strategies within our reach today
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Notorious R.I.M. posted:This is such a weird graph given that the arctic has started moving toward the mean throughout late April and May. It looks like Antarctic Sea Ice Extent continues to struggle after the unusual minimum this year. I know that Antarctica has pretty wide variability compared to the Arctic, but I'm starting to wonder if there is some sort of ocean current or other feedback that's starting to cause Antarctic SIE to start deteriorating like Arctic has been. Arctic is 6th lowest in extent, not sure place for area but it's tracking like 2012.
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I love the whole Great Barrier Reef Isn't Dead What Sensationalist Language followed shortly by Oh, Yeah It's Dead.
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Accretionist posted:Article: Climate change could make cities 8C hotter – scientists My only regret is that the fuckhead climate deniers will be dead before they can see this.
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Accretionist posted:Article: Climate change could make cities 8C hotter – scientists Holy poo poo, this is one hell of a brutal prediction: quote:The median city, right in the middle of the range, stands to lose between 1.4% and 1.7% of GDP per year by 2050 and between 2.3% and 5.6% by 2100, they conclude.
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Paradoxish posted:Holy poo poo, this is one hell of a brutal prediction: Well what did you all think was going to happen? Seriously we've known this for twenty years.
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Heheeeeey, let's have some more great newsJealous Cow posted:https://twitter.com/axios/status/869879115981221888
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May 31, 2017 13:11
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Maybe next time, don't vote in the orange idiot? Just a suggestion.
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May 31, 2017 13:15
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Let's go over to Jill Stein and the crew from TYT to remind us again how Hillary was going to be more dangerous for the country than Trump.
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It's the us system of gerrymandering and two senators per state that mean rural hayseeds have more voting power than cities that's the real problem.
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There's no one real problem. But the political discourse is going to treat killing millions of people so that some Midwesterners can maaaaybe get manufacturing jobs to improve their self esteem as a reasonable trade, not the second loving coming of Hitler it is.
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From November 9th last year:Mozi posted:If Trump withdraws from the Paris treaty there is no amount of organization or movement-tizing that will make up for that. Period. So now here we are. Salvage whatever you can.
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Fangz posted:There's no one real problem. If by manufacturing jobs you mean being a Wal*Mart style greeter* to a couple dozen robots pushing poo poo around for Amazon. *this is gonna be a cush elite job in about 8 seconds
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syscall girl posted:If by manufacturing jobs you mean being a Wal*Mart style greeter* to a couple dozen robots pushing poo poo around for Amazon. There are already robotic greeters that are used in airports in Asia.
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thank god he withdrew from the paris agreement. i remember being so anxious and angry during the COP 21. The future was looking very grim. Trump was the only light at the end of the tunnel, the only glimmer of hope for a planet and its 7 billions inhabitant. He said NO to the unelected corporate banking combine and their carbon taxes (which are a loving DEATH SENTENCE for the third world) and for this he will go down in history as a great savior of mankind. MAGA you whores!!!! yall wanted him to sell your country out but he aint going! 
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Nice piece of fish posted:Heheeeeey, let's have some more great news I'll repeat myself, did anyone expect literally anything else from the day he got voted in?
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smoke sumthin bitch posted:gently caress you, got mine. We'll savor the suffering of your descendants, have no fear.
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Nice piece of fish posted:Heheeeeey, let's have some more great news So, when do we invade?
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what a STUPID motherfucker.
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https://www.businessgreen.com/bg/news/3010973/worlds-first-plant-capturing-co2-from-air-launches-in-switzerlandquote:The Swiss Direct Air Capture (DAC) plant, developed by ClimeWorks, is now up and running on the roof of a waste recovery site. Powered by waste heat from the facility, it is drawing out carbon dioxide from the atmosphere to be used by a nearby greenhouse run by German salad growers Gebrüder Meier Primanatura AG. Baby steps.
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I still think we need to become religious leaders and turn every Sunday morning in church into a sermon about climate sin.
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Wanderer posted:https://www.businessgreen.com/bg/news/3010973/worlds-first-plant-capturing-co2-from-air-launches-in-switzerland Honestly not trying to be negative here, but this paragraph is a really good summary of why CCS is so difficult on scales that matter: quote:ClimeWorks has set a goal of filtering one per cent of global CO2 emissions by 2025 - to achieve this Gebald said around 250,000 DAC plants like the Zurich operation will be needed. For this to be commercially viable, he admitted a carbon price will be necessary, perhaps from progressive firms looking to market themselves as 'carbon-negative'. "We hope that there will be pioneering companies who support our vision with a private carbon market," he said. 250,000 similar plants to filter 1% of global CO2 emissions, even though right now this single system can't produce carbon at anywhere near market prices. CCS has to operate on absolutely massive scales.
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smart people posted:plans to save the world from Capitalism here's another scientific graph that should help 
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