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Argue posted:I've only got a news link but I'm trying to find a full transcript, with no luck. This is the full transcript from WaPo: http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/documents/politics/transcript-of-call-between-president-trump-and-philippine-president-duterte/2446/ I OCR'd it: quote:
Thoughts: * Trump is a big dumb idiot - notice how often he repeats himself * Further, Trump is asking Duterte how to handle North Korea, which is loving incredible because Duterte has like zero foreign policy experience * That said, Duterte still comes off as the more intelligent one in the exchange, which is also loving incredible * Duterte's speaking style here is surprisingly pedestrian compared to the boisterous strongman you usually get in press conferences and campaign stops. I'm going to invoke Godwin and all, but it's similar to that tape of Hitler making casual remarks where he's very subdued. Most world leaders AFAIK have a more consistent speaking style, whether it's Trump on rally-mode all the time, or Obama being very reserved all the time. * Trump congratulates Duterte on his war on drugs, and even opens with it. * The reaction to this is interesting: liberals in America are of course goddamn horrified that Trump is speaking positively about Rodrigo "human rights violator" Duterte, while over here, at least for the supporters of the President, it's being taken as a good thing, because now we have good relations with the US and China and Russia all at the same time
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# ? May 24, 2017 13:02 |
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# ? May 13, 2024 08:38 |
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Oh, I meant a full transcript of the speech he just gave where he said Martial Law Is Cool And Good Edit: also, I have to wonder if Trump is asking for Duterte's advice on North Korea because we're both Asian countries so hey he must know something about it Argue fucked around with this message at 13:10 on May 24, 2017 |
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https://twitter.com/robertmanodzmm/status/867391539630288896quote:MALACANAñ PALACE
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# ? May 24, 2017 16:26 |
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This is going to play hell for his political opponents and already vulnerable opposition groups.
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# ? May 24, 2017 20:32 |
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't they bringing drug trafficking charges against one of his more visible political opponents?
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# ? May 25, 2017 10:59 |
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't they bringing drug trafficking charges against one of his more visible political opponents? Brought. Senator Leila De Lima has been in custody since Feb 24 on drug trafficking charges.
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# ? May 25, 2017 11:04 |
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So is there even much of a political opposition to destroy with martial law? From an outside perspective it seems like there already isn't much dissent given the circumstances.
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# ? May 25, 2017 11:17 |
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No, there isn't much of an organized opposition movement to "use Martial Law against". It's not a crossing-the-Rubicon moment that Marcos's Martial Law declaration was, and there is a plausible justification* for it, and it's not immediately apparent that this is going to be a seizure of power. I mean, he wouldn't even need to unilaterally seize power at the moment - he's still in power for another five years, two if we expect the mid-terms to be a bloodbath for administration bets (it probably won't be). What worries me personally is that it's going to be enough of a soft landing that it becomes the new normal. If he doesn't use this to jail political prisoners, if he doesn't use this to commit (rampant) human rights abuses, and if the Abu Sayyaf/Maute Group/CPP-NPA cause just enough trouble to justify its continued use, then he could make it last a while and contribute to the slow erosion of civil liberties under it. Duterte declared a "state of lawlessness" across the country in September of last year. That was never lifted. And then he adds on Martial Law on top of it? It stinks. * even Marcos has a plausible justification for his, thanks to the Communist insurgency at the time.
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# ? May 25, 2017 11:35 |
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quote:Overnight, heavy clashes erupted in the predominately Sunni city of Marawi in the southern Philippines after security forces and ISIS sleeper cells battled it out for hours on end.
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# ? May 26, 2017 18:13 |
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that seems bad is there a link to that article? Kurtofan fucked around with this message at 18:31 on May 26, 2017 |
# ? May 26, 2017 18:27 |
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Obviously Duterte's hard line focus on drug users is starting to pay off for the Philippines. I'm sure another few tens of thousands of death will see an end to the only problem. All other criminals will obviously fall in line when they see this hard line.
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# ? May 26, 2017 23:16 |
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But what is Durerte's aim here? To basically establish an absolute dictatorship with him in charge?
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# ? May 27, 2017 02:53 |
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So, news: * Congress will not convene to review the declaration of Martial Law. The Constitution obliges the President to present a report to Congress regarding his declaration within 48 hours of making it, and Congress is expected to review it, but apparently since there is an unspoken consensus of support for ML, Congress feels no pressing need to do this review either way. If ever ML needs to be extended past 60 days, that's when there's a mandate for Congress to take up a vote on it. * The AFP has expressed its right to exercise censure under Martial Law: quote:"(This early, we’re appealing to the public to exercise their common sense. If you know that what you're posting does harm and does not help, don’t post it. You might just find the police knocking on your door to arrest you)" AFP spokesman Brigadier General Restituto Padilla said in a chance interview with reporters. * In declaring martial law, Duterte cited the beheading of a police chief — who is still alive quote:When President Rodrigo Duterte explained his decision to declare martial law across a wide swath of the southern Philippines, he described one of the most chilling scenes imaginable: a beheading. * Doctor denies Marawi hospital taken over by Maute quote:A staff member from the Amai Pakpak Medical Center in Marawi City dismissed reports that the hospital was taken over by members of Maute group when it attacked earlier this week. and finally ... Duterte vows all-out support for troops fighting terrorists – then cracks rape joke quote:He told them not to worry about the implications of martial law, saying: “If you go down, I go down. But for this martial law and the consequences of martial law and the ramifications of martial law, I and I alone would be responsible. (Do your work. Leave everything else to me).”
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# ? May 27, 2017 03:01 |
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MrMojok posted:But what is Durerte's aim here? To basically establish an absolute dictatorship with him in charge? I'd guess it's not really an overall game plan but he's been frustrated by democratic barriers to exercising power as he's wanted. Each of these steps is basically an opportunity to block out a possible position or run over a particular opponent but it's built up to the point where he can run over the potential for anyone to oppose him. Why risk another outspoken senator when he can declare martial law and then have anyone who sounds critical picked up for investigations the day before any vote on the extension of martial law? Also AFP well done on Chinese style: we will attest people for saying unacceptable things the government doesn't like. However these are guidelines rather than a law so we won't get into the specifics of what those are. Have a good day and enjoy the lack of laws that prevent you saying whatever to why. But we might come knocking, not that that impinges on your freedom of speech. Come knocking with night sticks.
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# ? May 27, 2017 07:07 |
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So I hear things aren't going great in the Philippines C/d?
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# ? May 27, 2017 07:38 |
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Nah we're all good here. Anything you've heard to the contrary in this thread is yellow propaganda that the Aquinos paid Lowtax to promote, the same way they've been paying off the UN as well as every foreign publication.
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# ? May 27, 2017 07:48 |
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From May 25, the first afternoon since the declaration of Martial Law: Authorities round up 250 persons of interest in Davao quote:Authorities here rounded up some 250 individuals in two barangays early Thursday morning after receiving information on the presence of suspicious-looking persons. From earlier today: Warrantless arrests begin at Mindanao checkpoints quote:Warrantless arrests have been made in checkpoints in Mindanao, confirmed Martial Law implementor General Eduardo Año. Ron Paul Atreides posted:So I hear things aren't going great in the Philippines C/d? So far, Martial Law has been limited to Mindanao, and there's still the pretense that it's for the purposes of suppressing the terrorist activities of the Maute group, but given that the President has spoken favorably of even the brand of Martial Law practiced by Ferdinand Marcos some fifty-something times since (and before) being elected President, and since he spoke of wanting to extend it to Visayas and even nation-wide even the morning after he declared it, and since he made that rape joke that pretty much endorses the army to commit human rights abuses (which is pretty much what happened with the police vis-a-vis drug suspects), we're all just waiting for the other shoe to drop, even if they literally are not yet hauling people off the streets of Manila. There's also this nice back-and-forth about whether or not the Maute group actually is linked with ISIS: quote:The Armed Forces of the Philippines on Thursday said it will follow the pronouncement of President Rodrigo Duterte saying that ISIS has a presence in the country. So basically the President bangs on about how the Maute group actually is ISIS, and our armed forces debase themselves to match that pronouncement.
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# ? May 27, 2017 08:02 |
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How bad is it for American tourists right now? A friend of a friend is having his wedding this year (he's Filipino) and a number of other friends are going. I'm assuming the groom is smart enough to avoid the actually dangerous places, but how ugly is it currently and how ugly is it likely to get? Any guesses? Everyone that would be traveling is an American citizen.
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# ? May 27, 2017 08:42 |
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Shooting Blanks posted:How bad is it for American tourists right now? A friend of a friend is having his wedding this year (he's Filipino) and a number of other friends are going. I'm assuming the groom is smart enough to avoid the actually dangerous places, but how ugly is it currently and how ugly is it likely to get? Any guesses? Everyone that would be traveling is an American citizen. If he's staying in Luzon or Visayas? Not dangerous at all, at least not in terms of Duterte, since they only kill the poor, and being American automatically makes you rich. But do take the precautions you'd take in any country with high crime rates and scammers.
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# ? May 27, 2017 09:06 |
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Yeah if you're sticking to the tourist traps and/or uptown Manila, the only threats are standard tourist trap problems. If it turns into Syria before the wedding, you'll hear about it.
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# ? May 27, 2017 09:15 |
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Duterte vows to ignore Supreme Court on martial lawquote:President Rodrigo Duterte has said he will ignore the Supreme Court and Congress as he enforces martial law across Mindanao, even though the constitution gives them oversight. Later that same day: https://twitter.com/manila_bulletin/status/868790746500874240 https://twitter.com/manila_bulletin/status/868790995860676608
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# ? May 28, 2017 17:33 |
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Interesting to see the Philippines has replaced Communist insurgency with drug fiends.
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# ? May 28, 2017 18:45 |
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MrNemo posted:Interesting to see the Philippines has replaced Communist insurgency with drug fiends. Yeah but there totally still are Communist insurgents here.
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# ? May 29, 2017 09:14 |
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Any news out of Mindanao?
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# ? May 29, 2017 11:19 |
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Kurtofan posted:Any news out of Mindanao? There's still fighting going-on in Marawi between the Maute fighters and government troops. As of Sunday night local time: quote:At least 97 people have died in the fighting between government security forces and terrorists here.
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# ? May 29, 2017 11:31 |
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is this a new development or a continuation of something that's already happening? Because "we can now search, seize, and arrest without a warrant" sounds like a pretty big fuckin' deal.
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# ? May 29, 2017 12:42 |
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DC Murderverse posted:is this a new development or a continuation of something that's already happening? Because "we can now search, seize, and arrest without a warrant" sounds like a pretty big fuckin' deal. It's something that's been happening since the ML declaration last week Wednesday (and yes, that in itself is a big fuckin' deal), but the dangerous escalation is the President declaring it's open season to do it even for drug-related offenses.
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# ? May 29, 2017 13:53 |
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toasterwarrior posted:Yeah but there totally still are Communist insurgents here. When we went to Pulilo Island we had to cross NPA lines. It was an ... interesting trip.
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# ? May 29, 2017 20:58 |
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* According to a spokesperson from the AFP, there is no proof that the Maute Group has received any sort of foreign funding. * Opposition Senators revealed that according to a briefing given by Defense Secretary Lorenzana to the Senate, the DOD and the military felt that they could contain the Maute Group without requiring a declaration of Martial Law, but the President went ahead and declared it anyway. This comes after a source close to the President revealed that the AFP chief advised the President that the situation in Marawi was well under control on the night of the start of the crisis. Congress: * The Senate voted 17-5 in favor of a resolution expressing the sense of the Senate that there is no compelling reason to revoke Martial Law at this time * The Senate also voted 12-9 against a resolution calling for Congress to convene in a joint session to discuss the declaration of Martial Law * The House dismissed the impeachment case against President Duterte, 217-4 * The Speaker of the House held a press conference in which he told people to "just shut up" about criticizing Martial Law if they weren't from Mindanao. Fake News: * Jim Paredes, a popular singer-songwriter from the 80s (think Billy Joel) and a vocal critic of the administration was targeted by false rumors claiming he called Mindanaoans "mountain-dwelling hicks" (roughly translating). The former head of the Commission on Human Rights was also targeted by false rumors claiming she sympathized with the Maute group and that the fighters should be treated with pity and compassion. * The Manila Times, which is basically The Washington Times at this point, is pushing the talking point that the leak of Duterte-Trump transcript last week constitutes a deplorable crime, having devoted two OpEds to it [1] [2]. They're calling for the prosecution of whoever in the DFA was a dastardly traitor that leaked the documents in an obvious ploy to damage the administration, as well as for the prosecution of Rappler for leaking classified information. Specifically Rappler, and not The Washington Post, who originally broke the story, because Rappler is their "Clinton News Network"-type target and scapegoat. * The Philippine News Agency, a state-run media organization, was caught last week making a false claim about how a majority of countries in the UN were supporting Duterte's War on Drugs. Yesterday, they were also caught running an article about military clashes in Marawi using a picture from the Search-and-Destroy article in wikipedia depicting an American soldier during the Vietnam War. They released an apology for both. * Mocha Uson, basically a Matt Drudge-type personality who was recently given a position inside the government as an Assistant Secretary for the President's Communications office, posted an image on her blog imploring for prayers for the soldiers fighting in Marawi. Except she used a picture of soldiers from Honduras. When called out on this, she doubled-down, claiming that it was merely "symbolic". * Martin Andanar, Secretary of that Comms office, sneaked out the back when reporters tried to confront him about the lies told by the PNA and Uson, both of which are under his responsibility.
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# ? May 30, 2017 15:37 |
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Ahahahahahahahahahahaha http://www.reuters.com/article/us-philippines-militants-duterte-idUSKBN18O0J8
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# ? May 30, 2017 22:28 |
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Deceitful Penguin posted:Ahahahahahahahahahahaha Out of many world leaders, this might be a sound tactic. Out of Duterte, this screams either "Trap" or "I'm desperate"
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# ? May 30, 2017 23:23 |
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Duterte hits back at Chelsea Clinton: Did you slam your dad Bill for having affair with Lewinsky?quote:President Rodrigo Duterte on Wednesday hit back at former United States’ First Daughter Chelsea Clinton for reacting to his recent rape remark. Also, this was released by the administration's Presidential Communications team: https://twitter.com/PresidentialCom/status/869841252321300481
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# ? May 31, 2017 11:48 |
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I'm so happy that thing's been deleted because Dyisus Paking Krayst.
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# ? May 31, 2017 14:46 |
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Oh poo poo they deleted it? The internet always remembers, motherfucker. EDIT: Update from Congress: https://twitter.com/maracepeda/status/869871399409557504 House officially adopts resolution supporting martial law in Mindanao and finding no need to revoke it https://twitter.com/maracepeda/status/869876053090590720 Lawmakers adopt House Resolution 1045 commending Speaker Alvarez for his "competent and effective stewardship of the House" https://twitter.com/maracepeda/status/869880298183380994 House adjourns 1st regular session. To resume session when Duterte delivers 2nd SONA in July gradenko_2000 fucked around with this message at 14:58 on May 31, 2017 |
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Won't anyone think of the poor persecuted fascists? Edit: here's a crappy cam vid of it. if you don't want to click, it's a PROMOTIONAL AD for MARTIAL LAW https://www.facebook.com/freethinkers/videos/10154667075652686/ Argue fucked around with this message at 15:19 on May 31, 2017 |
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gradenko_2000 posted:Duterte hits back at Chelsea Clinton: Did you slam your dad Bill for having affair with Lewinsky? This was hilarious. An honest to God presidential meltdown. Condolences on your country.
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Argue posted:Won't anyone think of the poor persecuted fascists? Looks like Duterte's administration has been getting tips from North Korea on how to work their propaganda game.
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# ? May 31, 2017 15:55 |
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Here's a clearer version of it: https://www.facebook.com/prmcb/vide..._video_guests=0
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# ? May 31, 2017 16:03 |
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One man's Trump is another man's Duterte. What a time to be alive.
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# ? May 31, 2017 17:02 |
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# ? May 13, 2024 08:38 |
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gotta erase civil rights to protect you from those uh M14s
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