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In which the President of France has the balls to do something our U.S. President never will:quote:French President Emmanuel Macron has made an extraordinary attack on two Russian media outlets, saying they acted as “propaganda” organs during France’s election campaign. https://apnews.com/c01121dbfc6740969cd0fefc629cc46d?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=AP
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ISIS CURES TROONS posted:You fantasize about murdering people on the other side of the aisle. Let's not pretend you are anything but a crazy person.
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May 29, 2017 17:20
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Overwined posted:While you raise a good point, I think it was the manner in which it was dissolved that has people (over)reacting. Yeah, I guess, but the whole town was apparently reduced down to .13 square miles of land and was 10 families. It is absolute nonsense for a town that small to have an entire local town government. Like I get it's unfortunate it had to be about horse cruelty but pretty much the first time anything did anything that made anyone even notice that a town government was even still a thing someone was going to say "why do we even have this? just let the county manage us, the county seat is literally the next town over"
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May 29, 2017 17:22
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DaveWoo posted:In which the President of France has the balls to do something our U.S. President never will: While it is the term du jour, and Macron himself used the correct term, I really hate that we still are using "fake news". It's propaganda people. Sticking with the right wing's term only softens the importance of the subject and allows them to blow it off as a mere difference of opinion.
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May 29, 2017 17:22
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That term was originally conceived in that sense. Using 'Fake News' to describe mainstream news outlets/anything Trump didn't like came later.
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May 29, 2017 17:24
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Agreed I try my best to avoid "Fake News" as much as possible... I don't want to credit Trump for a God drat thing and if this catches on overall after he's gone... 
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May 29, 2017 17:24
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DaveWoo posted:In which the President of France has the balls to do something our U.S. President never will: "Why yes, that happened" 
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May 29, 2017 17:24
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Crain posted:While it is the term du jour, and Macron himself used the correct term, I really hate that we still are using "fake news". It's propaganda people. Sticking with the right wing's term only softens the importance of the subject and allows them to blow it off as a mere difference of opinion. I don't think "fake news"was originally the right's term. Macron was using it in its original context, to describe the nonsense conspiracy sites masquerading as legitimate news outlets that get spread on social media by ideologues and believed by people who are bad at analyzing news sources and people with confirmation bias, before the right seized hold of it and turned it into "any news we disagree with."
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May 29, 2017 17:28
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What would that translation be? Les actualités faux?
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May 29, 2017 17:30
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Crain posted:While it is the term du jour, and Macron himself used the correct term, I really hate that we still are using "fake news". It's propaganda people. Sticking with the right wing's term only softens the importance of the subject and allows them to blow it off as a mere difference of opinion. Fake News stories were properly labelled fake. Since Trump has decided to coop the term to malign CNN/WaPo/NYT/MSNBC, maybe we should start saying Hoax News? Because the term "fake news" was created to describe poo poo you could disprove on sites like Snopes. Snopes being massively labelled as a partisan site because it disproves lovely right-wing memes and chain e-mail anecdotes is pretty loving gross too. They even attack the organs used to fight against misinformation. Chilichimp fucked around with this message at 17:33 on May 29, 2017 |
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May 29, 2017 17:30
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Pakled posted:I don't think "fake news"was originally the right's term. Macron was using it in its original context, to describe the nonsense conspiracy sites masquerading as legitimate news outlets that get spread on social media by ideologues and believed by people who are bad at analyzing news sources and people with confirmation bias, before the right seized hold of it and turned it into "any news we disagree with." Which, incidentally, wrecks the term used to describe the original phenomenon. It's actually quite clever.
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May 29, 2017 17:32
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I remember it having a brief period of intentional meaning back in October or thereabouts, when people started looking into articles being passed around Facebook and twitter and realizing they were utter fabrications. The "Trump called republicans stupid" story and the various Hillary hit squad reports. For about a week there were articles about "Fake news stories". Then Trump dropped it in a rally about CNN and HERE WE FUCKIN ARE.
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May 29, 2017 17:33
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M.c.P posted:I remember it having a brief period of intentional meaning back in October or thereabouts, when people started looking into articles being passed around Facebook and twitter and realizing they were utter fabrications. The "Trump called republicans stupid" story and the various Hillary hit squad reports. For about a week there were articles about "Fake news stories". Cable news media kind of latched onto it in the election post-mortem, I think cause it let them pass the blame on to a bunch of Russian hackers and Internet stooges instead of acknowledging that they'd spent the last few months covering sensationalist HER EMAILS stories.
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May 29, 2017 17:37
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Solaris 2.0 posted:This is perfect. This is our stupid loving country in a nutshell. People voting themselves out of existence in order to spite someone or something. It's amazing. It's less that andore people just not really subscribing to the idea of being Americans anymore. People keep splitting themselves into little groups, and become so incensed and hateful of The Dreaded Other that they stop seeing them as neighbors or even people and see them as enemies to be snuffed out. You see a lot of that in this thread lately too, it's something I've started to see on both sides of the isle and it's very worrying.
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May 29, 2017 17:37
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PhazonLink posted:Reminder Paul Ryans favorite band is RAtM. Back when I was a republican douchebag (college), I took great joy in the fact that I enjoyed Rage and they would hate me. Paul Ryan is almost certainly the same.
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May 29, 2017 17:38
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Pakled posted:I don't think "fake news"was originally the right's term. Macron was using it in its original context, to describe the nonsense conspiracy sites masquerading as legitimate news outlets that get spread on social media by ideologues and believed by people who are bad at analyzing news sources and people with confirmation bias, before the right seized hold of it and turned it into "any news we disagree with." And originally it made more sense. The site's (mostly just facebook pages really, before the right threw a hissy fit to make them stop shutting them out) in question were legit inventing stories. Now though they're just fudging headlines with implication and posting semi related content in the article knowing no one in their target demo reads the article. And they're being used as propoganda instead of just click bait now (well, they always were, they just co-opted the technique). So I say call it what it is.
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May 29, 2017 17:41
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Grapplejack posted:It's less that andore people just not really subscribing to the idea of being Americans anymore. People keep splitting themselves into little groups, and become so incensed and hateful of The Dreaded Other that they stop seeing them as neighbors or even people and see them as enemies to be snuffed out. You see a lot of that in this thread lately too, it's something I've started to see on both sides of the isle and it's very worrying. See the problem with that is the Republicans target people who just want to live their lives and not be discriminated against. They are evil, actual quantifiable evil and just like evils of the past there can be no negotiation. The only solution is their utter destruction and actively preventing them from reforming.
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May 29, 2017 17:43
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Did we even talk about this one? https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/869166145894535169 What?
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May 29, 2017 17:45
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Crain posted:And they're being used as propoganda instead of just click bait now (well, they always were, they just co-opted the technique). So I say call it what it is. I remember the fake news thing being these outrage inducing articles about nothing. "Americans furious after [Candidate] says out of context quote!" and the whole article is based around three tweets from no one in particular.
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May 29, 2017 17:47
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Did we even talk about this one? Brave China, you try so hard!
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May 29, 2017 17:48
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May 29, 2017 17:50
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Did we even talk about this one? China is putting pressure on North Korea to stop shooting missiles. So if they do it anyway they're showing disrespect for their only ally and primary trading partner. China is the only path to resolving the North Korean problem that doesn't kill a few hundred thousand South Koreans.
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May 29, 2017 17:51
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GreyjoyBastard posted:Why would Angela Merkel be there? To Lead the free world? Duh! sheep-dodger fucked around with this message at 17:54 on May 29, 2017 |
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May 29, 2017 17:51
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FizFashizzle posted:What would that translation be? Fausses nouvelles. E. In the actual clip he says "contre-vérités" and "propagandes mensongères" but fausses nouvelles is the term for "fake news" and it actually predates this election cycle. Phil Moscowitz fucked around with this message at 18:06 on May 29, 2017 |
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May 29, 2017 17:51
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Jesus that's about the most disrespectful and embarrassing thing I think he's done so far. Thanks all you dead guys who would have voted for me, time to jam! 
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May 29, 2017 17:52
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this isn't that egregious, some folks are gonna love it as a sign of passion or whatever
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May 29, 2017 17:57
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Vegetable posted:this isn't that egregious, some folks are gonna love it as a sign of passion or whatever The worst part is that he obviously doesn't know all the lyrics. It's like trying to sing a karaoke song but you've only heard the song a few times so you jump into the middle of lines you recognize
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May 29, 2017 18:00
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I watched most of the memorial ceremony on the Fox News stream and people were going nuts about how amazing Trump was for just putting his hand over his heart...
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May 29, 2017 18:01
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I like to think he has no idea why he is there until the teleprompter tells him, after talking about the election win...
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May 29, 2017 18:03
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He loves America so much he can't keep the song in his heart
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May 29, 2017 18:03
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Vegetable posted:this isn't that egregious, some folks are gonna love it as a sign of passion or whatever Its pretty loving egregious but you're right, his cultists will claim it just shows how much he loves America. Mide posted:I watched most of the memorial ceremony on the Fox News stream and people were going nuts about how amazing Trump was for just putting his hand over his heart... Like that. The far-right was so convinced that Obama was making GBS threads on babies and yelling the shahada every time there was a patriotic event that they'll eat any show of patriotism.
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May 29, 2017 18:04
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Party Plane Jones posted:https://twitter.com/bessbell/status/868989442119262208 I just want to go back to this for a sec, I'm actually amazed he blocked someone. All this time, I assumed Trump just tweeted out and never read the responses, because since the Russians turned off the bots the responses are almost universally negative. She must've really gotten under his skin, perhaps she hit a bit too close? Hmm.
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May 29, 2017 18:05
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Apparently Trump reads his mentions all the time
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May 29, 2017 18:07
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Vegetable posted:this isn't that egregious, some folks are gonna love it as a sign of passion or whatever Yeah it is. Some dumbasses will cheer him on but he's at a fuckin cemetery to Press X to Pay Respects.  Mide posted:I watched most of the memorial ceremony on the Fox News stream and people were going nuts about how amazing Trump was for just putting his hand over his heart... I like how he pats himself "Man that's a catchy beat!"
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May 29, 2017 18:09
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https://twitter.com/PhilipRucker/status/868459359851995136 If McMaster does public appearances, people should pelt him with his own book.
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May 29, 2017 18:10
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WeAreTheRomans posted:Apparently Trump reads his mentions all the time Ouch, I'd almost feel bad for him if he wasn't one of the worst people alive. Almost all the responses to his tweets just seethe with visceral hatred. It's oddly soothing to read them.
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May 29, 2017 18:12
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Snuffman posted:Ouch, I'd almost feel bad for him if he wasn't one of the worst people alive. The terrorism speech a few days ago where he was talking about calling them Losers instead of Monsters since terrorists would enjoy being called monsters I think is more projection. I think he gets off on the hate also I think loser really crawls up his rear end. I bet that's what daddy railed on him with.
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May 29, 2017 18:17
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Rinkles posted:That was a disgusting, petty insult. This is a national tragedy. A hate crime is not going to be considered a national tragedy. Especially by Trump in this case unless he tries to play up the "well this guy supported Bernie so clearly he's an alt-left radical" thing that right wingers have tried tossing around. VitalSigns posted:Texas would immediately fail as an independent state, because although in theory we send about as much to the federal government as we get back on average, in practice Texas would never tax appropriately and become a corrupt bankrupt crumbling petrostate trying to squeeze more blood from the poor to fill its massive budget hole Texas also pays more than it receives because it has tons of Federal contracts that would be gone immediately if it broke free on its own. Jesus Christ. His base will love it because "LOOKIT TRUMP SINGING UNLIKE THAT PINKO COMMIE KENYAN BASTARD UBUMMAR."
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Vegetable posted:this isn't that egregious, some folks are gonna love it as a sign of passion or whatever Nah, it's very hosed up. Some people may disagree with Memorial Day and call all soldiers killers, murderers, whatever but he's the President and he should be as solemn as Mattis is. He disrespects the people that have died since the Revolutionary War acting like this is Game 1 of the World Series or some other dumb sports event.
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Party Plane Jones posted:https://twitter.com/bessbell/status/868989442119262208 New life goal: Get blocked by the POTUS.
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