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Watching this show you'd think we were in the middle of the cold war. I think they're using a laugh track now. Or maybe the same woman with an obnoxious laugh is there every week. -TUCK Face is true. I noticed that and his pseudothoughtful frozen visage makes him look like he's in the midst of a stroke every single night. -As the weeks go by Trump's coming across as the ultimate distraction these days. In the end it may be his most dangerous attribute. punk rebel ecks posted:What was New Rules about exactly? It took immense courage to rattle off fifty fat jokes with Killer Mike sitting five feet away. Kind of an extension of Bill's disdain and hatred for Chris Christie's obesity and lack of self-control. SyRauk posted:Why the hell was this lady on? What the gently caress is she talking about? She's been friends with Bill for a long time (1980s at least). She comes on the show when she has a new book out. Like many, many other people. See also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2NUspd1j9w
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Holy gently caress that Bill Maher and Cornerl West exchange was awful. Maher is such a moron. Actually believing Pence wouldn't be worse than Trump? Thinking it was the "holier than thou" leftists who sat out the election is why Hillary lost rather than Obama rural voters flipping to Trump or people sitting out voting? Holy poo poo.
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May 21, 2017 02:53
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Pence would be another Bush. Whether Trump or Bush are worse is a subject that's been beaten around before, but Maher was upfront that Trump is worse in his opinion.
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May 21, 2017 02:59
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Good on Maher for calling out bullshit holier-than-thou people who portend to be above it all, proclaiming the two parties are both the same corporatist shills and vote 3rd party. No, there was a difference. The democrats nominated an experienced government official, while the Republicans' rampant anti-intellectualism ideology led them to nominate a mentally ill reality tv star to be the leader of the free world, winning the election through a confluence of (un)fortunate events. There were many reasons why Hillary lost. Rural Obama voters switching was one of them, but so were 3rd party voters and people staying at home patting themselves on the back for being so smart saying "oh those clowns in Washington, they're all the same."
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May 21, 2017 03:11
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punk rebel ecks posted:Holy gently caress that Bill Maher and Cornerl West exchange was awful. Maher is such a moron. Actually believing Pence wouldn't be worse than Trump? Thinking it was the "holier than thou" leftists who sat out the election is why Hillary lost rather than Obama rural voters flipping to Trump or people sitting out voting? Holy poo poo. Don't forget Cornell West explaining to that piece of poo poo David Frum (this guy vigorously promoted the Iraq War before the invasion) the CIA's history of overthrowing democratically elected governments for the last seventy years, and that we shouldn't empower them in order to fight Trump. Really, West was dealing with two retards on the panel.
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May 21, 2017 03:24
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punk rebel ecks posted:Holy gently caress that Bill Maher and Cornerl West exchange was awful. Maher is such a moron. Actually believing Pence wouldn't be worse than Trump? Thinking it was the "holier than thou" leftists who sat out the election is why Hillary lost rather than Obama rural voters flipping to Trump or people sitting out voting? Holy poo poo. assuming it's not because trump took a dirt nap a president pence means dems somehow won a supermajority in the senate next year, so he'd be totally constrained and therefore not as bad as trump
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libertao posted:There were many reasons why Hillary lost. Rural Obama voters switching was one of them, but so were 3rd party voters and people staying at home patting themselves on the back for being so smart saying "oh those clowns in Washington, they're all the same." 3rd party voters basically had no effect. As for the rest, well people aren't entitled to your vote you have to convince them to vote for you. Until Dems realize that, they will never win. There is something to be said about people who refuse to vote for "the lesser of two evils" but many Democrats just can't understand that people aren't entitled to vote for their party. The Muppets On PCP posted:assuming it's not because trump took a dirt nap a president pence means dems somehow won a supermajority in the senate next year, so he'd be totally constrained and therefore not as bad as trump RedSpider posted:Don't forget Cornell West explaining to that piece of poo poo David Frum (this guy vigorously promoted the Iraq War before the invasion) the CIA's history of overthrowing democratically elected governments for the last seventy years, and that we shouldn't empower them in order to fight Trump. Really, West was dealing with two retards on the panel. To be fair, while Maher bringing up police brutality and militarism was  (especially when Hillary stated that she would have took things FURTHER with Syria than Trump said), he did have a decent point with Obamacare. Though being that the House wants to revote on it maybe not.
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West Episodes are Best Episodes---we were all cheated by only having him on in a no OT week though because that momentum was definitely going places even with NDT getting into the mix. Besides, between Frum and the initial interview guest? What a terrible assortment of folks to waste time with as if they have something worth illuminating further with the spotlight. West's point isn't even that esoteric as they like to make out----hell, he's done better to grow out of 08/12/16 delusions compared to, say, Moore where there's still a desperate clamoring for somehow getting Clinton installed in the office, lionizing the likes of Romney and Bush with seemingly no logical impetus, Trump and his entire entourage somehow getting quickly impeached, and doubling down on the notions the Democrats are somehow both flawless and yet something you just have to make do with....or else...and you'd better not rock the boat---especially not at the generally agreed upon time for boat rocking. Notice how Maher and such quickly didn't push back on the Sanders notions about them putting on a front of going for best foot forward as opposed to ultimately triangulated nonsense. Even the healthcare hand wringing was ridiculous given it is plain as day that West was/is in on it against the insurance/pharm/hospital strong arming to where even under the horribly compromised auspices of Obamacare* you are going to have those same endangered people Maher was using as a cheap prop likely to wind up priced out or dead---the man doesn't want anybody left out on the curb to rot in a non-universal care situation.
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cornel dunked on maher. like what was said upthread, third party voters didn't matter. even if they did, the libertarian nominee received three to four times more votes than the green nominee. more berniebrahs voted for hillary than hillaryhoochies voted for obama in 2008. jfc. bill should read "listen liberal" in order to better understand why people in my part of the country that identified as democrats in the past no longer do so. for a person so smug to claim that people who disagree with him live in a bubble... et tu, limousine "liberal"? Ferdinand Bardamu fucked around with this message at 17:33 on May 21, 2017 |
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It's the same tired excuses Democrats have been using since 2000 when Al Gore lost. He was a weak, uninteresting, status quo candidate with a weak campaign and weak debate performances. His BIG DARING proposals were to keep Social Security and Medicare in a "lock box." When Bush won, the establishment left were dumbfounded and tried to pin it on Ralph Nader as the scapegoat. Meanwhile, in some precincts there were thousands of registered Democrats who voted for Bush:quote:Only about 24,000 registered Democrats voted for Nader in Florida, whereas about 308,000 Democrats voted for (wait for it...) Bush! Further, approximately 191,000 self-identified "liberals" voted for Bush, as opposed to the fewer than 34,000 who went with Nader. Bill Clinton hit upon a brief but winning strategy in 1992 by moving to the center with support for the death penalty, cutting welfare, rolling back regulations, etc. He was able to get votes from both sides, and he also benefited from Ross Perot siphoning votes from HW Bush. The Clintons created the modern centrist, corporatist Democrats. The DNC has been stuck in 1992 mode ever since. Now they are entrenched with donor money and lobbyists and don't really care about pushing for any big changes that might alienate swing voters or their donor masters. Bernie Sanders was polling very well, he had a real shot at beating Trump in a general election, and the DNC did everything they could to sandbag him. Then Democrats lose and go back to excuse-making and finger-pointing and scapegoating rather than listening to people and polls. At this point their strategy seems to be to stay in the middle, wait until a Republican gets elected, watch the Republican gently caress up the country like Bush and Trump, and then get into office solely on voter dissatisfaction with incompetent conservatives. The problem is that voters still have to hold their noses when voting for most Democrats and voters have short memories. If you're in office for 2, 4, or 6 years and don't really improve things for most people, then voters are (perhaps stupidly) willing to take a chance with a Republican again. The Democrats' answer to that is "Jill Stein! Gary Johnson! Hilary still won the popular vote!"
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Bill Clinton's victories still arguable didn't work, as his election years had the lowest voter turnout in the past 100 years. The reason why he won was because George H.W. Bush and Bob Dole were just equally boring candidates.
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Third party voters don't matter, but that's sort of a "dirty little secret" because if the meme caught on, third party voters could matter in the future. The reason Nader etc gets poo poo on the way Former Human is talking about is because in some cases the percentage of third party votes was larger than the difference between the two parties. In the case of that 2000 example, the talking point is "yeah but why not lure back some of those Democrats who voted for Bush" and the answer is the way they'll accomplish that is by being more conservative. Which you don't want. Really, election results from before 2006 or so don't mean much to me. There were a lot of old bitter blue dog dixiecrats around voting for Republicans because "I don't like trickle down but at least they're pro-life" and other similar statements. The whole "I'm a Democrat and I loathe my party" speaking role at the RNC that Flynn held in 2016 was previously occupied by Zell Miller, and he didn't even need to be paid off by Russians to say it. Things are different now. You have some old 2000s liberals who are open to things they previously weren't because Obamacare passed and, amazingly, when you set up a government program to help people against all resistance you can actually turn some minds around. You have old "support the troops magnetic ribbon" suburban moderate voters who used to vote Republican until the economic collapse turned them into Clinton-supporting liberals. Much as Reagan caused a lot of voters to switch sides, the collapse of the Bush legacy actually repulsed a lot of people to the other side after some time. That's how we have the GOP as a party of the comfortable and powerful minority now. There's still a huge swath of America looking for middle of the road domestic policy and a huge active hawkish role in foreign affairs. Clinton 08 and 16 offered them the "world's police" thing they liked about Dubya, without the tax cuts for the wealthiest and the crushing economic collapse. Craptacular! fucked around with this message at 18:32 on May 22, 2017 |
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Don't run a means testing lovely technocrat war hawk with no personality and paranoid delusions of loyalty. It's literally that simple Bill/Bad Democrats. But nah, keep getting mad at the third party voters instead of Robby Mook and Hillary wanting to run up the score in NY/CA instead of winning the EC. Most qualified candidate indeed.
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Third parties will never matter as long as we still have a FPTP voting method. Look I agree with Cornell West on a lot, but he's wrong about this. You have to strategically vote, even if your politician of choice didn't win the primaries of our two party system. Sure I begrudgingly voted for Hilary, but this is what our election system gets you in a corner of "lesser evil". I agree with Thomas Frank that the Democratic Party needs to change, but what really needs to change is how elections are done.
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punk rebel ecks posted:Lol at Dems winning a supermajority.  we're stuck with trump unless he gets tired of the job and resigns
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Even if you impeach Trump you still have to address the conditions that allowed him to be a viable candidate in the first place. Screw the presidency for a second, the GOP has about the same political power as they did in 1928. That is extremely concerning.
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Matt Zerella posted:technocrat lol at this being used as an insult. Technocrat sums up more or less how this country is/always has been run, going back to how the first few Presidents leading the republic were also the same men who established it.
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Former Human posted:Bernie Sanders was polling very well, he had a real shot at beating Trump in a general election, and the DNC did everything they could to sandbag him. Then Democrats lose and go back to excuse-making and finger-pointing and scapegoating rather than listening to people and polls. it's not so much that they sandbagged him but that he threatened to embarrass hillary who was essentially considered an incumbent nominee by the party
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Craptacular! posted:In the case of that 2000 example, the talking point is "yeah but why not lure back some of those Democrats who voted for Bush" and the answer is the way they'll accomplish that is by being more conservative. Which you don't want. Except that's not how you win the back at all. Dems never won those groups back by being more conservative, but by selling them an inclusive (and left leaning) future that includes them. Then Hillary lost them with "America is already great!", as Trump picked them up, and now you have people scratching their heads how to win them back.
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punk rebel ecks posted:Except that's not how you win the back at all. Dems never won those groups back by being more conservative, but by selling them an inclusive (and left leaning) future that includes them. Then Hillary lost them with "America is already great!", as Trump picked them up, and now you have people scratching their heads how to win them back. I'm talking about Florida seventeen years ago. I'm talking about people who were elderly then and are no longer with us and belonged to the WWII generation. I'm talking about a very different GOP that hadn't completely shed it's image of giving a poo poo about the poor, versus Democrats that hadn't seen anything but Clintonism work in decades. And people voting for the Governor's brother because the Governor seems like a fairly safe middle of the road kind of guy. So much of that is dated now. Bitching about Al Gore not being Bernie in 2017 is a little blind to change, because whether we like it or not incrementalism has actually worked in changing what are politically acceptable solutions. Craptacular! fucked around with this message at 20:07 on May 22, 2017 |
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Craptacular! posted:I'm talking about Florida seventeen years ago. I'm talking about people who were elderly then and are no longer with us and belonged to the WWII generation. I'm talking about a very different GOP that hadn't completely shed it's image of giving a poo poo about the poor, versus Democrats that hadn't seen anything but Clintonism work in decades. And people voting for the Governor's brother because the Governor seems like a fairly safe middle of the road kind of guy. 
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Craptacular! posted:I'm talking about Florida seventeen years ago. I'm talking about people who were elderly then and are no longer with us and belonged to the WWII generation. I'm talking about a very different GOP that hadn't completely shed it's image of giving a poo poo about the poor, versus Democrats that hadn't seen anything but Clintonism work in decades. And people voting for the Governor's brother because the Governor seems like a fairly safe middle of the road kind of guy.
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Multiple People posted:I argued for gay marriage for close to 18 years and have seen the reactions. People do slowly realize the right side of history. I realize it's small comfort to people waiting for a rise of economic populism theory who have been red-baited for decades.
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libertao posted:...a mentally ill reality tv star to be the leader of the free world... You're buying way too much into the fake/distorted public persona of a movie actor. We're merely months removed from millions calling Trump "Hitler reincarnated" and many musing that vans filled with henchmen wearing red MAGA hats would be rounding up all non-whites in the US to prove their citizenship in the weeks following the election. He duped millions of poor racists in the country with ease and he's not going to reciprocate. He's just like Bush on the taxes. In reality Trump's making deals with Saudi Arabia and was recently spotted at the wailing wall wearing a yarmulke. This week Trump played the strange syncretistic unitarian and the anti-jewish/anti-muslim wings of the alt-right are undergoing a major existential crisis. Many are too embarrassed to even admit they fell for the big con. Some of the patented red MAGA hats are already collecting dust. So far most of Trump's major accomplishments involve stopping things that never came to fruition AKA pseudoaccomplishments. "I stopped the ACA, I stopped TPP, I nominated one guy to the SCOTUS, I stopped the aliens and the bogeyman." Trump's done enough grandstanding that you'd think he'd colonized Mars. PS Let's not forget the Clinton's attended Trump's THIRD wedding (in the front pew no less). Follow the money. Craptacular! posted:Bitching about Al Gore not being Bernie in 2017 is a little blind to change, because whether we like it or not incrementalism has actually worked in changing what are politically acceptable solutions. It takes a long time. There are still people running around complaining about Goldwater not winning in 1964.
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Zogo posted:It takes a long time. There are still people running around complaining about Goldwater not winning in 1964. As the news about Roger Ailes spread and a lot of people pissed on his grave, I was telling my father, who was just barely too young to get drafted for Vietnam but watched three brothers go through the drama instead, about how I've seen people praise the death of Cronkite because of his turning public opinion against the war. The fact that there's people who weren't born yet during Vietnam who are bemoaning that we didn't stay in there and fight and win and do an endzone victory dance of the pile of bodies amazes him.
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Craptacular! posted:As the news about Roger Ailes spread and a lot of people pissed on his grave, I was telling my father, who was just barely too young to get drafted for Vietnam but watched three brothers go through the drama instead, about how I've seen people praise the death of Cronkite because of his turning public opinion against the war. I'm trying very hard to decipher what you're trying to say here but I keep failing.
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We're talking about how long it takes for old deprecated political notions to finally be expelled from the public consciousness.
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This, shouting at Tyson "don't gently caress with me on this, Doc!", as well as yelling at West...as I said before, Maher is coming off less like a stoner and more like a angry coke head. And once again told a corny joke that bombed and accused the audience of being touchy. I thought West and Tyson held their own admirably when they weren't just laughing at him. Why is anyone still listening to Frum? Neo-con is soooo 2003.
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Gimmedaroot posted:Why is anyone still listening to Frum? Neo-con is soooo 2003. He doesn't like Trump so that makes him good and popular to idiot neo-liberals. Same thing is happening with George Will.
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Zogo posted:You're buying way too much into the fake/distorted public persona of a movie actor. We're merely months removed from millions calling Trump "Hitler reincarnated" and many musing that vans filled with henchmen wearing red MAGA hats would be rounding up all non-whites in the US to prove their citizenship in the weeks following the election. He duped millions of poor racists in the country with ease and he's not going to reciprocate. He's just like Bush on the taxes. the gently caress is this bullshit.
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Groovelord Neato posted:the gently caress is this bullshit. You may have noticed back in November there was a gigantic meltdown occurring in parts of the country over what Trump AKA Hitler was going to do once in office. Barely any of it has happened. Scalia was replaced by some other guy. The Clinton's are members at his country clubs, he's donated $$$ to Hillary etc. The idea that Trump was going to throw Clinton in jail was very distorted. The fact that millions of people bought into it is embarrassing. Trump is a movie actor. Look at his actions rather than his words and tweets. He's not mentally ill. He's a narcissist like many, many other politicians and people on TV/film.
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Zogo posted:You may have noticed back in November there was a gigantic meltdown occurring in parts of the country over what Trump AKA Hitler was going to do once in office. Barely any of it has happened. Scalia was replaced by some other guy. "Barely any of it has happened". You have a very tenuous grasp of reality, friend. Your defense by dismissal is so far off the mark that it may as well be the same as one of his zealots spewing that everything is fake news.
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Super Deuce posted:"Barely any of it has happened". You have a very tenuous grasp of reality, friend. What people were told to prepare for:  "assuming we don't all die in the nuclear heat, of course." What actually happened: A Fox News grandpa who knows nothing has invaded the White House. He didn't know the job wasn't actually Emperor-like and his policy ideas are shot down in courts like fish in a barrel. He also has no familiarity with state secrecy protocols and the biggest challenge will be how the rest of the western world keeps it's intelligence and espionage community intact knowing that anything that gets told to us might as well be available to anyone. His "accomplishments" for the first half of his term appear to be a short list of things any Republican would have done and whatever Congress can agree on to get to him before midterms, but what Congressmen think voters want to hear before midterms differs so ultimately getting anything to his desk is quite difficult.
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Gorsuch was never the issue - if anything, the FAKE NEWS MEDIA dropped the ball by making the entire story about how the Senate was obstructing a ~SUPREME COURT JUSTICE~ because the common nose-picking shithead knows that's important. What they never reported on was how McConnell and his cunty bunch of cunts were obstructing the appointment of ~12.5% of the entire vacant Federal bench, which has far more bearing on the common nose-picking shithead who will never have a case make it to the Supreme Court, but just *might* end up in their local federal district court one day.
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Craptacular! posted:What people were told to prepare for: He didn't end the world in 6 months, so that means it's not really that bad! Though, he is doing his best to keep the US out of every beneficial world policy, purposefully harming any footing the country holds both militarily and with allies, appointed radical candidates to positions with incredibly authority who have either no experience or were considered so abhorrent they couldn't hold a lesser position in a more comfortable area for them, is widening the gap between educated and uneducated people, still does want to implement measures allowing him to round up certain groups, etc etc etc etc etc. Stop trying to minimize the damage this administration is and has done.
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Bill Maher buddy and show guest Sam Harris interviewed a dude who wrote a book on 20th century nutbag dictator movements that might shed some light on the damage in progress and yet to be done*: https://www.samharris.org/podcast/item/the-road-to-tyranny tl;dr It's not "just Trump" per se but the dude is the big orange pimple head on top of a volcano of nonsense that's kinda scary and disgusting to people with an attention span and a moral compass. *It's also not interrupted with unfunny comic bits and plugs for Las Vegas shows. edit: there's also this (Brooke Gladstone is great) https://www.wnyc.org/story/trouble-reality
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