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the trump tutelage posted:Who wants to hear my thoughts on cultural appropriation? They're as important as the paper about poutine and much less important than the papers about canadas future role in a century where people decide they are anti-left because one hippy says "cats should not be pets" tbh poutine ads for mcdonalds and "CANADIAN" branding is gross trash but the appropriative elements aren't what's causing them
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I haven't been following the cultural appropriation argument. Why is it bad now?
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May 30, 2017 01:06
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cowofwar posted:Whip's going to have a hell of a job making sure all 44 peeps are present before a confidence motion. Showing up to work once a year: a challenge for elected officials.
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May 30, 2017 01:08
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Evis posted:I haven't been following the cultural appropriation argument. Why is it bad now? Because this is what modern left-wing political movements have become.
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May 30, 2017 01:10
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Can't wait to hear the scorching hot takes from right wing media (and probably the BC Libs too) about the leftist coup in BC and how this is undemocratic. On a related note, the federal coalition "crisis" (lol) was almost 9 years ago already 
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May 30, 2017 01:11
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Forums for healthy discussion founded on mutual respect? Leaders who pick their battles wisely and don't needlessly antagonize others? I agree. Niki rules. Juul-Whip fucked around with this message at 01:25 on May 30, 2017 |
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May 30, 2017 01:19
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Counter-take: being anti-poutine is just a mask for quebec-bashing anglo supremecism.
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May 30, 2017 01:26
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THC posted:Forums for healthy discussion founded on mutual respect? Leaders who pick their battles wisely and don't needlessly antagonize others? I agree. Niki rules. Sure it's picking your battles wisely to avoid a media shitstorm, but it's also caving into menial needless demands at the expense of your own intelligence.
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May 30, 2017 01:30
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Evis posted:I haven't been following the cultural appropriation argument. Why is it bad now? In terms of things like aboriginal religious headdresses being worn while partying it up at Coachella, it makes sense that it's kind of disrespectful taking an item of cultural and religious significance to a historically poo poo on people and making a mockery of it. In terms of poutine it's probably bullshit though. I can't find the impact factor of the journal that article got published in, but I'm guessing "CuiZine: The Journal of Canadian Food Cultures" isn't going to shake up the foundations of modern thought. Mr Luxury Yacht fucked around with this message at 01:42 on May 30, 2017 |
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May 30, 2017 01:31
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This is slightly better: https://twitter.com/Cam_Oflage/status/869350291518488577
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May 30, 2017 01:32
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attackmole posted:Sure it's picking your battles wisely to avoid a media shitstorm, but it's also caving into menial needless demands at the expense of your own intelligence. How does deleting a tweet make her less intelligent
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May 30, 2017 01:34
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THC posted:How does deleting a tweet make her less intelligent She also apologized, and that is bad
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May 30, 2017 01:38
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Mr Luxury Yacht posted:In terms of things like aboriginal religious headdresses being worn while partying it up at Coachella, it makes sense that it's kind of disrespectful taking an item of cultural and religious significance to a historically poo poo on people and making a mockery of it. THC posted:Forums for healthy discussion founded on mutual respect? Leaders who pick their battles wisely and don't needlessly antagonize others? I agree. Niki rules. If a you accept that a white person referencing a Beyonce song is beyond the pale, then the term "appropriation" has lost all meaning and deserves to be mocked. I would argue that you shouldn't and hopefully it hasn't, but the loony fringe of the left is trying their damnedest to make it so...
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infernal machines posted:She also apologized, and that is bad People should be proud of her for upholding the Canadian spirit
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May 30, 2017 01:41
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I accept that not every single thing has to be a Jordan Peterson tiny anthill to die on and by the way please donate to my patreon, and remember to like & subscribe
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May 30, 2017 01:43
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Cultural appropriation is a reasonable complaint in some circumstances, but it seems that considerably more often it's just a tool used by assholes to bludgeon people into feeling bad about something totally benign and harmless. It makes me feel bad for the people who are actually being mocked and insulted by real things like white people in native headdresses because they end up getting lumped in with idiots who whine about poutine or Beyonce songs, and then everybody loses. A lot of people don't really care about helping victims of injustice as much as they do about getting to feel better and more just than someone else, even if it's over an issue of absolutely zero relevance, such as poutine.
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May 30, 2017 01:44
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Entropic posted:Seriously, who's actually angry about "cultural appropriation" when it comes to loving food, outside of tumblr circle-jerks? The entire world history of cuisine is different cultural groups taking good food ideas from each other and making them their own. Should only south americans be allowed to like potatoes? What's the statute of limitations? There's legit arguments here like when people talk poo poo about a cuisine until white people start cooking it. Like when your corner Ethiopian place is shat on but some dude fusing it with the essence of dreams for $600 a plate has redeemed and saved it from the savages
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May 30, 2017 01:45
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THC posted:I accept that not every single thing has to be a Jordan Peterson tiny anthill to die on and by the way please donate to my patreon, and remember to like & subscribe Think about how much funding she'd raise!
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May 30, 2017 01:45
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I don't see how everyone loses. You can still tweet Beyoncé lyrics if you want (I'd rather you didn't though)
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May 30, 2017 01:45
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I think there's an argument that Sainted Cutie Niki turning things more to the left is actually a good and cool use of those lyrics. We should ask Beyonce herself IMO
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May 30, 2017 01:47
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THC posted:How does deleting a tweet make her less intelligent There's nothing wrong with deleting a tweet or apologising, I just don't think that catering to the .0001% of people who have an issue with white people saying "to the left" is a particularly good look. I mean if someone went to my twitter and was told me to delete a tweet saying "Hi, my name is ____" I could, but.....why? I guess that's a dumb example, I'm just trying to make up something off the top of my head that's as menial as a political slogan of "to the left". It's just so benign that acknowledging a grievance with it seems more implicative of a lack of critical thinking than anything else to me. To be clear, I'm not trying to comment on broad policy, I literally just think that specific tweet interaction is dumb.
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THC posted:How does deleting a tweet make her less intelligent A lot of people (Trump voters) think appearing to be a strong man despite having no one respect you and despite not being able to pass any laws is better than appearing willing to compromise on the most minor issue.
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May 30, 2017 01:47
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It's like how politicians are rewarded for never flip flopping despite the objective benefit of being able to base policy on data which could change.
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May 30, 2017 01:49
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attackmole posted:There's nothing wrong with deleting a tweet or apologising, I just don't think that catering to the .0001% of people who have an issue with white people saying "to the left" is a particularly good look.
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May 30, 2017 01:49
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It's just so lame. Now Niki Ashton can never karaoke straight outta compton because if somebody records it, her political career will be over.
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May 30, 2017 01:50
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"Flip flop" makes me think of John Kerry and what could have been 
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May 30, 2017 01:50
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cowofwar posted:A lot of people (Trump voters) think appearing to be a strong man despite having no one respect you and despite not being able to pass any laws is better than appearing willing to compromise on the most minor issue.
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May 30, 2017 01:51
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ChairMaster posted:Cultural appropriation is a reasonable complaint in some circumstances, but it seems that considerably more often it's just a tool used by assholes to bludgeon people into feeling bad about something totally benign and harmless. Yes. It's an entirely reasonable concept that gets reduced to nonsense people people looking to score internet outrage points. And I do think it's worrying when even the most ludicrous accusation of "appropriation" starts to prompt immediate capitulation and apologies out of fear of being at the centre of a controversy. In a sane world the proper response to being accused of Cultural Appropriation for referencing a Beyonce song would be to completely ignore the tweet and have no one who matters care, because it's so obviously a dumb complaint.
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Entropic posted:And I do think it's worrying when even the most ludicrous accusation of "appropriation" starts to prompt immediate capitulation and apologies out of fear of being at the centre of a controversy.
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May 30, 2017 01:52
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Who cares? We're not mad, we're just saying it's dumb. I'd vote for her anyways cause I like the NDP's platform, I just think it's a *silly twitter interaction*.
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May 30, 2017 01:54
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Postess with the Mostest posted:It's just so lame. Now Niki Ashton can never karaoke straight outta compton because if somebody records it, her political career will be over. In a way cooler alternate universe, all political contests are decided by whoever can do the best karaoke version of gangster rap songs.
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Lightning Lord posted:There's legit arguments here like when people talk poo poo about a cuisine until white people start cooking it. Like when your corner Ethiopian place is shat on but some dude fusing it with the essence of dreams for $600 a plate has redeemed and saved it from the savages There are definitely legitimate arguments there, but when idiots looking to score points reduce it to a reflexive knee-jerk "white person making any non-european recipe = HITLER" like some people do, it's completely counter-productive and makes it easier to ignore those legitimate questions.
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like maybe if she "capitulated" on something that actually loving mattered. maybe then. but no. it wasn't that. it was a tweet
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May 30, 2017 01:55
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Entropic posted:Seriously, who's actually angry about "cultural appropriation" when it comes to loving food, outside of tumblr circle-jerks? The entire world history of cuisine is different cultural groups taking good food ideas from each other and making them their own. Should only south americans be allowed to like potatoes? What's the statute of limitations? The specific argument in this case is not about simply eating the food it's claiming ownership of it, i.e. poutine being a French-Canadian dish or being a Canadian dish. And obviously it's a bigger can of worms because of Quebec/francophone culture within Canada.
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May 30, 2017 02:00
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The tweet and the response to the tweet aren't what I'm talking about, I don't give a crap about the tweet, other than the fact that they shouldn't have made such an embarrassing and outdated reference in the first place. The people that lose from all this garbage are the people whose genuine complaints get lumped in with people who say that white people shouldn't be able to make rap music or eat poutine outside of Quebec or reference some old song from 2006. Like it nor not, when "cultural appropriation" becomes a term that refers to all that hand-wringing garbage, people who have legitimate grievances get lumped in with that garbage too. It may not be fair, and in whatever just world we're pretending like we should be living in certainly the burden of such a distinction does not lie with the people with legitimate grievances, but in the real world that's how language and ideas evolve and function, and language and ideas are important.
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May 30, 2017 02:01
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THC posted:like maybe if she "capitulated" on something that actually loving mattered. maybe then. It doesn't have to be super important to be dumb as hell.
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May 30, 2017 02:03
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If we actually wanted to piss off quebec we'd serve poutine everywhere but give it an anglo name.
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May 30, 2017 02:04
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The Butcher posted:In a way cooler alternate universe, all political contests are decided by whoever can do the best karaoke version of gangster rap songs. Don't know if I'd care about watching the actual performances but I would be really intrigued to know how each party decided to replace or ignore all the offensive words.
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May 30, 2017 02:06
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Lol Scheer's first day in QP is just "high tax! High spending!"x100 Keep it up little guy
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Entropic posted:If we actually wanted to piss off quebec we'd serve poutine everywhere but give it an anglo name. Fries from French Canada. So how about... French Fries?
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