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Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

Lightning Lord posted:

It makes extra sense when you consider how much the far right hates McCain.


Good luck, most active servicemen try to be non-partisan. However, I have seen people on like, r/military talk poo poo about Trump. There was also that incident of some SEALs flying a Trump campaign flag that people thought meant we were under a military junta now. Like anyone I'm pretty sure they have mixed responses.

Oh yeah, I'm basically just telling BarbarianElephant to dial back or, uh, cite forward. Either is fine by me. :v:

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Party Plane Jones
Jul 1, 2007

by Reene
Fun Shoe
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/869314416461979650
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/869340820972982272
https://twitter.com/JuddLegum/status/869348397446307840
https://twitter.com/BruceBartlett/status/869342617871536128
https://twitter.com/BruceBartlett/status/869338496510701568

And a piece about Sessions
https://twitter.com/vanitaguptaCR/status/869347821434044421


The big thing is that Kushner is in meeting with Trump for 5 loving hours a day.

Party Plane Jones fucked around with this message at 01:55 on May 30, 2017

Furnaceface
Oct 21, 2004




Jeff Sessions is one evil motherfucker isnt he?

Fulchrum
Apr 16, 2013

by R. Guyovich

Captain Invictus posted:

Oh I just want republican officials to suffer for their lovely, corrupt politics. Them being able to opt out of town halls is bullshit. Face your constituents.

Yeah, but the only way that's gonna happen is if Republicans manage to get the Supreme Court, both chambers of Congress and the presidency AGAIN after Dems take it back. And if that happens we have much bigger issues to deal with than making sure somebody yells at them once every four months.

FizFashizzle
Mar 30, 2005







how aint meghan mccain not married yet?

I don't mean that in a "women should get married" kinda way, just a "lets be real they still do arranged marriages among the rich and powerful" kinda way.

she must be loving nuts.

SocketWrench
Jul 8, 2012

by Fritz the Horse

Internet Kraken posted:

What tangible benefit do we actually get out of continuing the embargo? Shouldn't the SMART BUSINESSMAN president be the one trying to increase trade anyways?

Given it was Trump that broke the embargo before, he probably got a bad deal and this is his petty response

Ice Phisherman
Apr 12, 2007

Swimming upstream
into the sunset



Fulchrum posted:

Yeah, but the only way that's gonna happen is if Republicans manage to get the Supreme Court, both chambers of Congress and the presidency AGAIN after Dems take it back. And if that happens we have much bigger issues to deal with than making sure somebody yells at them once every four months.

Part of me worries that we may get into a cycle of wildly reactionary governments which are responses to the last government. Say that dems win big in 2018 in the house and don't lose much or anything in the senate, and then take the house, senate and presidency in 2020. Without the filibuster which the republicans killed we're looking at policies with nearly zero input from them. It'll just make republican lawmakers and constituents angry. It's possible that we'll continue to see wild swings even after Trump before stabilizing.

FizFashizzle posted:

how aint meghan mccain not married yet?

I don't mean that in a "women should get married" kinda way, just a "lets be real they still do arranged marriages" kinda way.

she must be loving nuts.

Or gay. You forgot gay. Not that this is a bad thing, but it would explain things as she's a prominent republican senator's daughter.

Lightning Lord
Feb 21, 2013

$200 a day, plus expenses

Grassley making those demands Matters, right? Dude is a hardcore GOP as far as I know

Raylen
Aug 1, 2003

You just killed the nice deranged chick from the juice bar that I was gonna score with someday maybe!
Pillbug

FizFashizzle posted:

how aint meghan mccain not married yet?

I don't mean that in a "women should get married" kinda way, just a "lets be real they still do arranged marriages among the rich and powerful" kinda way.

she must be loving nuts.

It's the lingering controversy of Boobgate.

awesmoe
Nov 30, 2005

Pillbug

FizFashizzle posted:

how aint meghan mccain not married yet?

I don't mean that in a "women should get married" kinda way, just a "lets be real they still do arranged marriages among the rich and powerful" kinda way.

she must be loving nuts.

a breathtakingly bad post

Ice Phisherman
Apr 12, 2007

Swimming upstream
into the sunset



Raylen posted:

It's the lingering controversy of Boobgate.

At the risk of sounding stupid, please tell me this is a thing.

Avirosb
Nov 21, 2016

Everyone makes pisstakes

Party Plane Jones posted:

The big thing is that Kushner is in meeting with Trump for 5 loving hours a day.

In one day alone, Trump's probably spent more time with Kushner than he has with Eric & Jr. their entire lives.

Fulchrum
Apr 16, 2013

by R. Guyovich

Ice Phisherman posted:

Part of me worries that we may get into a cycle of wildly reactionary governments which are responses to the last government. Say that dems win big in 2018 in the house and don't lose much or anything in the senate, and then take the house, senate and presidency in 2020. Without the filibuster which the republicans killed we're looking at policies with nearly zero input from them. It'll just make republican lawmakers and constituents angry.
...as opposed to the calm rational and respectful attitude they had to Obama when they were given input?

The gently caress does a modern GOP not driven by perpetual blind psychotic rage even look like?

Fulchrum fucked around with this message at 02:18 on May 30, 2017

nerdz
Oct 12, 2004


Complex, statistically improbable things are by their nature more difficult to explain than simple, statistically probable things.
Grimey Drawer

Party Plane Jones posted:

The big thing is that Kushner is in meeting with Trump for 5 loving hours a day.

He's the president, isnt he?

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead
On Kushner: well, Trump needs SOMEONE he trusts who also has an attention span present. I don't see the problem.

SocketWrench
Jul 8, 2012

by Fritz the Horse

Dapper_Swindler posted:

i know that. but why did he start the birth certificate poo poo?

Because it was easy and needed no effort on his part. It was already a rampant conspiracy and all he had to do was bitch about it. It was the lowest hanging fruit on the tree, so low it was on the ground, and that's what Trump specializes in

nerdz
Oct 12, 2004


Complex, statistically improbable things are by their nature more difficult to explain than simple, statistically probable things.
Grimey Drawer
I don't remember where I read but, but apparently Trump likes Kushner because he just takes all verbal abuse Trump throws at him, when venting frustration.

Raylen
Aug 1, 2003

You just killed the nice deranged chick from the juice bar that I was gonna score with someday maybe!
Pillbug

Ice Phisherman posted:

At the risk of sounding stupid, please tell me this is a thing.

She posted this photo back in like 2009 and conservatives freaked the gently caress out because BOOBS!



http://www.theblaze.com/news/2012/03/13/meghan-mccain-says-she-has-large-breasts-theyre-real/

FizFashizzle
Mar 30, 2005







awesmoe posted:

a breathtakingly bad post

Why?

gently caress, her father left his crippled first wife (who was waiting for him while in vietnam) on her hospital bed because he got hooked up with someone with money. It's just how it works.

She's young, attractive, her family is naval royalty and is from a world where people get married for political reasons.

Party Plane Jones posted:

The big thing is that Kushner is in meeting with Trump for 5 loving hours a day.

I bet it's just that Kushner's always by his side, not that they're having actual meetings.

Like Kushner is who trump trusts to explain poo poo to him.

rkajdi
Sep 11, 2001

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Ice Phisherman posted:

At the risk of sounding stupid, please tell me this is a thing.

It's a thing, and it's also about a picture that would have appeared tame in a Maxim magazine.



It's 100% that the GOP base is a bunch of pathetic olds who get angry that a woman isn't some demure virgin and gets to have an authentic sexuality.

Hollismason
Jun 30, 2007
FEEL FREE TO DISREGARD THIS POST

It is guaranteed to be lazy, ignorant, and/or uninformed.
That roll back on civil rights Departments is going to be pretty bad.


I will remind everyone that Sessions voted against the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act

Hollismason fucked around with this message at 02:28 on May 30, 2017

FizFashizzle
Mar 30, 2005







Raylen posted:

She posted this photo back in like 2009 and conservatives freaked the gently caress out because BOOBS!



http://www.theblaze.com/news/2012/03/13/meghan-mccain-says-she-has-large-breasts-theyre-real/

This was always my favorite one.



Here I am just sitting in my bed, drinking an american beer, on my laptop.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

yeah. the GOP is hosed in the future. sure they have some alt right dipshits, but those they have no class or charisma and are basically the college republican. trumps win feels like a last roll of the dice and the GOP got lucky he pretended to be a populist and it pushed off their implosion for a couple years, maybe a decade. the DNC is probaly gonna imploade as well but they have a better chance at rebuilding.

radmonger
Jun 6, 2011

SocketWrench posted:

Given it was Trump that broke the embargo before, he probably got a bad deal and this is his petty response

Maximum sanctions, but you get a complimentary Presidential pardon with your check-in to Trump Havana....

FizFashizzle
Mar 30, 2005







rkajdi posted:

It's 100% that the GOP base is a bunch of pathetic olds who get angry that a woman isn't some demure virgin and gets to have an authentic sexuality.

Unless of course she's in an above the knee skirt, sitting on stool on fox and friends.

Raylen
Aug 1, 2003

You just killed the nice deranged chick from the juice bar that I was gonna score with someday maybe!
Pillbug

FizFashizzle posted:

This was always my favorite one.



Here I am just sitting in my bed, drinking an american beer, on my laptop.

It would have been better if she was resting the laptop on top of her boobs imo

TheMadMilkman
Dec 10, 2007

Dapper_Swindler posted:

yeah. the GOP is hosed in the future. sure they have some alt right dipshits, but those they have no class or charisma and are basically the college republican. trumps win feels like a last roll of the dice and the GOP got lucky he pretended to be a populist and it pushed off their implosion for a couple years, maybe a decade. the DNC is probaly gonna imploade as well but they have a better chance at rebuilding.

We're probably overdue for a political realignment.

Can we switch names when it happens? I wanna be a Whig.

Lightning Lord
Feb 21, 2013

$200 a day, plus expenses

What replaces the DNC? A branch of Socialist International?

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

Obscure to all except those well-versed in Yuuzhan Vong lore.

Will people please please please stop treating Trump's budget proposal like it's something that's going to actually happen? Every other day there's some new article about how the budget proposal cuts funds to so and so likes its news when we've known for months that it cuts literally everything imaginable. It's bad but thankfully won't actually be done.

Shimrra Jamaane fucked around with this message at 02:36 on May 30, 2017

Lightning Lord
Feb 21, 2013

$200 a day, plus expenses

Shimrra Jamaane posted:

Will people please please please stop treating Trump's budget proposal like it's something that's going to actually happen?

This is the worst timeline, it's total red meat for his base and the House and Senate are controlled by dummies, so bitch it just might.

FizFashizzle
Mar 30, 2005







There's already been massive political realignment in the last 16 years, just not the way you think.

At the party level, democrats have embraced numerous social policies (gay/trans rights) that would have been unthinkable during the clinton presidency, and it has cost them. Republicans were the party of finance in the early 2000s, and now bankers are firmly back democrats at the national level. I know it sounds weird but in 2002 your stance on israel was like your third or fourth most important defining feature, and now no one gives a poo poo about them.

Both parties are still insanely hawkish.

These aren't earth shattering differences but they add up.

BarbarianElephant
Feb 12, 2015
The fairy of forgiveness has removed your red text.

Lightning Lord posted:

Wow Meghan McCain is pretty hot. :swoon:

Her dad looked like a movie star when younger. Looks like an old potato now, but back in the day...wow.

Ice Phisherman
Apr 12, 2007

Swimming upstream
into the sunset



Fulchrum posted:

...as opposed to the calm rational and respectful attitude they had to Obama when they were given input?

It's more complicated than simple action and reaction. More complicated than respect and rationality. These are components to larger problems.

There's a problem instead of the continuance of government. With Americans less frequently buying into the social contract because they feel like neither party represents them. The course set is ubstable, and after a Trump government if the dems take full control you're going to have around 30-40% of Americans feel like they're not represented at all. You know, like it is now with democrats only they're constantly being fed the rhetoric of violence and hate by many of their favored news sources.

Democrats and Republicans being unable to find common ground and governing strategies are going to increase until one of the parties breaks at this point.

In my scenario democrats gain control of enough levers of power that they're able to gerrymander the house, thus banishing the republicans to the weeds for the better part of a decade like the republicans have done to the democrats despite the distinct difference in demographics. Trump does such a bad job that democrats capture the senate and presidency. They're then able to roll out new and wildly contradicting policies that steer the ship of state in a completely new direction whereas Trump just four years earlier did the same thing from the Obama administration.

These changes are jarring, and an increasingly partisan political environment it's going to negatively effect stability, because if republicans are banished to the weeds as a party until they reform enough of them have been primed with that rhetoric of violence and hate to do something about it.

What I want going forward is a return to stability. I want the wheels to stay on. For politics to be boring as poo poo and where everyone ignores it save for we nerds save when something bad happens. The further we go down these paths the worse the changes are going to be when we attempt to get things stable again.

If neither political party can work with the other then we're going to enter into long periods of dysfunction and paralysis beyond what we've seen now until something finally gives somewhere. My guess is that given their loss in voters the republicans are going to break first, and it's not going to be pretty when they do break down.

It's more complicated than disrespect and paralysis. More complicated than parties and politicians. These are symptoms of civil society breaking down because our views on what we want to be as Americans is diverging. And before you cast blame, blame isn't particularly helpful. Solutions are, and I don't really see any.

citybeatnik
Mar 1, 2013

You Are All
WEIRDOS




RevKrule posted:

This is the reference


This is upsetting me mostly because I think that it should be tea and then frog, not the other way around.

My brain does stupid parsing at times I suppose.

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

Obscure to all except those well-versed in Yuuzhan Vong lore.

Lightning Lord posted:

This is the worst timeline, it's total red meat for his base and the House and Senate are controlled by dummies, so bitch it just might.

The only frame of reference his base has to the national budget are terrible analogies comparing it to balancing a checkbook. Which is already too complicated for them to understand which is why they're all in deep debt.

terrorist ambulance
Nov 5, 2009

This seems like a Really Big Deal to me. The right wing pretends like they care about the unelected Deep State Boogeyman, but here it actually is - the senile old racist president's unelected shitheel nobody son-in-law getting his own intel briefings in advance of Trump's, whose briefings he then sits in on. That's nuts.

Ice Phisherman
Apr 12, 2007

Swimming upstream
into the sunset



BarbarianElephant posted:

Her dad looked like a movie star when younger. Looks like an old potato now, but back in the day...wow.



Panties disintegrating.

FizFashizzle
Mar 30, 2005







Ice Phisherman posted:



Panties disintegrating.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/make-believe-maverick-20081016

quote:

In the cockpit, McCain was not a top gun, or even a middling gun. He took little interest in his flight manuals; he had other priorities.

"I enjoyed the off-duty life of a Navy flier more than I enjoyed the actual flying," McCain writes. "I drove a Corvette, dated a lot, spent all my free hours at bars and beach parties." McCain chased a lot of tail. He hit the dog track. Developed a taste for poker and dice. He picked up models when he could, screwed a stripper when he couldn't.

BarbarianElephant
Feb 12, 2015
The fairy of forgiveness has removed your red text.
Republicans and Democrats can't find common ground because Republicans are so wedded to the nihilistic "drown the government in the bathtub" philosophy, as well as suckers for mad conspiracy theories. There's nothing for Democrats to engage with. As the alt-left continually whines about, Democrats leap at the chance to make a deal with the enemy. But when the enemy is either insane or actively trying to make government fail, there's no opportunity to make a deal.

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Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

Obscure to all except those well-versed in Yuuzhan Vong lore.

Ice Phisherman posted:



Panties disintegrating.

The face that launched a thousand planes. Into the ground.

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