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the 360 being ridiculously cheaper than the ps3 seemed like a way bigger factor in why it got ahead that gen, not graphics. and assuming this new xbox is going to be extremely expensive i dont think using the 360 as an example really fits. sony being passive and assuming they're just going to keep winning would be stupid as gently caress tho so i hope they have some kind of response in the event that the scorpio is better than it sounds like it could be
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revolther posted:Eh, to maintain supremacy? First gen xbox whomped Sony's rear end hard and even though Playstation has won the last generation and this, if somehow Microsoft doesn't bungle a new console fickle rear end gamers will run to the newest prettiest games. did you just imply that the original Xbox beat the best selling console in the history of video games?
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rabidsquid posted:the 360 being ridiculously cheaper than the ps3 seemed like a way bigger factor in why it got ahead that gen, not graphics. and assuming this new xbox is going to be extremely expensive i dont think using the 360 as an example really fits. The XBone is not selling well, has a relatively tiny pool of exclusives, and an extravagantly more expensive model that plays the same games isnt going to help any. Sony really does only have to sit back and watch the whole mess fall over  .
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May 30, 2017 08:32
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FireMrshlBill posted:So basically FF7 remake episode 1 and then the PS5 comes out before future episodes are released, kind of a waste of an exclusivity deal just to sell more PS4's right before a new console is released, probably would piss off that customer base too. I can say with confidence that the customer base for this game does not give a gently caress when it comes out or for which console and will buy it no matter what. FF7 is a sacred cow of gaming and there is literally no loving possible way to alienate the fanbase. revolther posted:Eh, to maintain supremacy? First gen xbox whomped Sony's rear end hard and even though Playstation has won the last generation and this, if somehow Microsoft doesn't bungle a new console fickle rear end gamers will run to the newest prettiest games. You must be out of your loving mind. BeanpolePeckerwood fucked around with this message at 08:52 on May 30, 2017 |
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May 30, 2017 08:50
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morallyobjected posted:did you just imply that the original Xbox beat the best selling console in the history of video games? I'm just saying it split a market Sony was poised to single handedly dominate in a way they still haven't been able to fully recoup and it probably put some fear in them in regards to feature parity for future strategies. I'm sure microsoft will bungle the scorpio just like they are bungling everything else lately, but a lot of people were fine re-buying a breakdown prone microsoft console 9 times and I don't think anyone at Sony predicted it.
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May 30, 2017 09:01
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BeanpolePeckerwood posted:
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May 30, 2017 09:12
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revolther posted:Maybe "rear end whomp" was too strong a phrase. You have no idea what you are talking about. The PS2 sold 3 times as many units as its competitors combined (Xbox, Dreamcast, Gamecube). PS2 didn't just single-handedly dominate every competitor, it buried them alive. There is no split marketshare. The PS2 "rear end whomped" every other console in history. It sold more units than the Nintendo DS for gently caress's sake. The next best selling home console is the PSX, which sold 2/3rds as many units as the PS2.
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May 30, 2017 09:18
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revolther posted:Maybe "rear end whomp" was too strong a phrase. Sony has the AAA-tier market now. It also has the indie market, the JRPG market, and 5 years back-catalogue of quality titles in its library. Even the Nintendo Switch has a growing list of coming exclusives, and most of the recent indie releases either on it or on the way. The XBone has, what? 4-5 major exclusives at this point?
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May 30, 2017 09:24
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Also the part where Microsoft has shuttered or sabotaged their relationship with various developers making games for them. But hey, can't wait for Scalebound to come out soon!
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HGH posted:Also the part where Microsoft has shuttered or sabotaged their relationship with various developers making games for them. Their decisions with this regard are so bizarre, too. Phantom Dust getting an announced remaster three years ago with a CGI trailer that really didn't have a lot to do with the original game suddenly became a ground up remake that they were going to shove micro transactions into and then it was free. Like, kudos for not putting in micro transactions (like they did in other titles like Spore and even Halo), but the game already was sort of a cult classic to begin with. Why go down that road in the first place? Their messaging is inconsistent and sometimes incoherent and I really feel like they learned the wrong message from the Xbone E3 2013 announcement. They legit seem to believe that the issue with their brand right now is power. They don't seem to get that power alone does not win a console generation. Price matters, exclusives matter, which console releases sooner matters, and customers have to trust you. They burned a lot of goodwill and they're gonna have to work hard to get it back. Also, when it comes to BC, that has pretty much been the exception and not the rule IME. Personally, I don't care about it and I don't think the market does as loud as people complain about it online. If BC were the automatic boon that people make it out to be, WiiU would have won last gen and Xbone would be making up significant ground now. The original launch PS3 cost so much due to having a PS2 built into it and people did not want to pay for that. If $399 is the magical price point at which a customer can reasonably be expected to buy a new console, native BC may not be possible.
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BeanpolePeckerwood posted:FF7 is a sacred cow of gaming and there is literally no loving possible way to alienate the fanbase.
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It's like, Halo sold xboxes, and now it doesn't, and they didn't really have a plan for that. And their solution is "Well, we'll just have to have the next halo  "
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I mean now that consoles are going to be AMD x86 APUs for the foreseeable future there is zero excuse for the next gen to not be fully backwards compatible. It's not like they're gonna have to cram wildly different architectures into the same box like with PS2 and PS3 BC. A lot of people are gonna say that they're doing the phone model when the PS5 comes out the year after next and plays all the PS4 games, whether or not there's any validity to that
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May 30, 2017 10:09
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Snak posted:It's like, Halo sold xboxes, and now it doesn't, and they didn't really have a plan for that. And their solution is "Well, we'll just have to have the next halo Now that they're sticking exclusives on PC, if the price for Scorpio is as high as expected, there's absolutely no reason to ever buy an Xbox product. My prediction is this thing bombs and MS either gets out entirely or "Xbox" becomes the rebranded Microsoft Games Studio so they can leverage the only 4 games they have.
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Snak posted:It's like, Halo sold xboxes, and now it doesn't, and they didn't really have a plan for that. And their solution is "Well, we'll just have to have the next halo Well there's Crackdown 3 and State of Decay 2 I guess? We haven't heard anything about them since E3 a couple years ago. Are they even still happening? Nobody knows! I think I'm the only person who owned an Xbox and never gave a single gently caress about Halo. KOTOR and Fable were more my speed and Microsoft has put 0 effort towards that type of game for at least the last 5 years. My major frustration with the Xbox brand is that there seems to be a lack of diversity in the lineup. It's mostly sports, FPS, and racing. That's basically it. They occasionally branch out with something like a Quantum Break or a Sunset Overdrive, but they seem to instantly dump the IP.
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Morby posted:Well there's Crackdown 3 and State of Decay 2 I guess? We haven't heard anything about them since E3 a couple years ago. Are they even still happening? Nobody knows! I think I'm the only person who owned an Xbox and never gave a single gently caress about Halo. KOTOR and Fable were more my speed and Microsoft has put 0 effort towards that type of game for at least the last 5 years. My major frustration with the Xbox brand is that there seems to be a lack of diversity in the lineup. It's mostly sports, FPS, and racing. That's basically it. They occasionally branch out with something like a Quantum Break or a Sunset Overdrive, but they seem to instantly dump the IP. I'm guessing if it doesn't meet Halo/CoD/Battlefield numbers, it goes right in the bin regardless of actual sales/acclaim.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:I'm guessing if it doesn't meet Halo/CoD/Battlefield numbers, it goes right in the bin regardless of actual sales/acclaim. What first party studios do they have left? The corpses of Bungie and Rare? Sony has developers they lose money on or developers that release mediocre games (looking at Guerilla Games and Killzone) but they let them experiment and branch out (and get support from other developers) and they eventually turn out a hit like HZD. Microsoft doesn't have the patience it seems.
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Morby posted:Well there's Crackdown 3 and State of Decay 2 I guess? We haven't heard anything about them since E3 a couple years ago. Are they even still happening? Nobody knows! I think I'm the only person who owned an Xbox and never gave a single gently caress about Halo. KOTOR and Fable were more my speed and Microsoft has put 0 effort towards that type of game for at least the last 5 years. My major frustration with the Xbox brand is that there seems to be a lack of diversity in the lineup. It's mostly sports, FPS, and racing. That's basically it. They occasionally branch out with something like a Quantum Break or a Sunset Overdrive, but they seem to instantly dump the IP. It really did turn into the MuricaBox once the Xbone came out. Just GearsHaloForza and very little attempt to branch out into anything else. Anything else even remotely different that comes out seems to have been in development for years now and it just sort of gets released eventually and dies a death or gets cancelled with zero fanfare.
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drat thread thanks for reminding me how good Fable 1 was and how subsequently awful every other fable game was
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I didn't really like Fable 1 that much and yet somehow ended up playing all three...
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fable was a pretty solid game. the second one didn't grab me but I did finish it I'm not even sure which platform 3 was released on. 360? or was it more recent?
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Yeah it was 360, the only Fable thing that was announced for Bone got cancelled.
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Manatee Cannon posted:I'm not even sure which platform 3 was released on. 360? or was it more recent? 360 and I think PC.
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Morby posted:What first party studios do they have left? The corpses of Bungie and Rare? Sony has developers they lose money on or developers that release mediocre games (looking at Guerilla Games and Killzone) but they let them experiment and branch out (and get support from other developers) and they eventually turn out a hit like HZD. Microsoft doesn't have the patience it seems. Hell, even Ubisoft lets their guys make their own passion projects. It's how Grow Home and Child of Light exist. I think Rayman Origins actually started out the same way, and just got promoted to a major project iirc.
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Hell, the Forza series is the only first party exclusive that hasn't had a major decline in fortunes, and they've diluted it's ability to sell consoles by introducing Play Anywhere. Scorpio is a hail mary attempt and really, trying to win a generation this late in the cycle is bizarre. It'll have a couple years of clear air as the 'most powerful console' before the hype cycle for PS5 completely eats its lunch. It's a slightly bizarro version of Dreamcast vs PS2, and the outcome will be similar.
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spudsbuckley posted:It really did turn into the MuricaBox once the Xbone came out. I'd argue they've been the MuricaBox since the end of the 360 years. The only non HaloForzaGears exclusive of note that I can think of off the top of my head is Crackdown 2 which was god awful and didn't capture what people liked about the original game. Neddy Seagoon posted:Hell, even Ubisoft lets their guys make their own passion projects. It's how Grow Home and Child of Light exist. I think Rayman Origins actually started out the same way, and just got promoted to a major project iirc. This stuff right here makes me question what the hell Microsoft is doing. Halo has not been your console seller since at least Halo 3 or ODST. MCC was a debacle that really damaged the brand and Halo 4 and 5 didn't seem to inspire confidence. Maybe let Bungie do other poo poo and branch out into something else? Give Master Chief a rest for a year or two and let them do literally anything else? And Rare is still working on Sea of Thieves, right? I'm not optimistic.
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Anyone who made Rare the name it is jumped ship. They're literally all at Playtronic now, a company they started themselves.
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Morby posted:I'd argue they've been the MuricaBox since the end of the 360 years. The only non HaloForzaGears exclusive of note that I can think of off the top of my head is Crackdown 2 which was god awful and didn't capture what people liked about the original game. Bungie has been out of the Halo game since Reach (the last good Halo). They do Destiny now.
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inSTAALed posted:Bungie has been out of the Halo game since Reach (the last good Halo). They do Destiny now. Aw poo poo you're right! Definitely should have typed 343 there. My bad!
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May 30, 2017 12:35
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The weekly Xbox derail in the PS4 thread is going swell.
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May 30, 2017 12:37
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Wipeout's supposed to be out in June right?
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May 30, 2017 12:45
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Friday The 13th The Game (ha) is awesome. Broken janky weirdness, but it's hilarious.
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TF2 HAT MINING RIG posted:The weekly Xbox derail in the PS4 thread is going swell. Switch derail next!
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May 30, 2017 13:06
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Here's a list of reasons everyone's excited for the new playstation
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Morby posted:Switch derail next! Sony will produce the Switch external optical drive
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May 30, 2017 13:33
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I like you, Tijuana.
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Tijuana Bibliophile posted:Sony will produce the Switch external optical drive haha
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I wish Sony would produce a...4k playstation drive 😈
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I'm glad that Injustice 2 is pretty cool so that I can get my rear end beat there in between bouts of getting my rear end beat in For Honor.
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