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Opinions are awesome, I just get frustrated at the wailing and gnashing of teeth regarding having to do a bit more 3rd grade arithmetic when list building. I mean, it is known that basic addition is the bane of all neckbeards...
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May 30, 2017 17:00
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TheChirurgeon posted:Today's update is on army building and points costs: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/30/new-warhammer-40000-choosing-your-army-may30gw-homepage-post-4/ See this I don't like. There is no Wargear cost for the Voidraven which has two Void Lances. Are they 0 points then?
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May 30, 2017 17:00
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Zuul the Cat posted:God drat it, I just want to know if they combined Cult Mech and Skitarii into once force, and if I can take other armies transports (without paying tax. that's dumb, we make all the goddamn tanks, lets just keep some.) Word is they did combine them, and Skitarii now have the "Skitarii" keyword: quote:Forge Worlds keywords, Cawl has Mars keyword and buffs Mars FW units. Taking transports will be a bit weird--I think you can do it by taking a second detachment from another army (you can do -1 CP to do a single transport from another faction) and then just put your dudes in that TKIY posted:See this I don't like. There is no Wargear cost for the Voidraven which has two Void Lances. Are they 0 points then? Probably. The format I've seen in Chaos/Necrons/other leaks is that if a gun *only* shows up as required wargear on a single unit, it has a cost of 0 points
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May 30, 2017 17:01
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If someone wants to wail an gnash teeth welcome to posting anywhere. It can be frustrating yes but calling people babies is not constructive is my point. Also personal opinion here but after these base codexes most seem to assume thing will just get better every codex release and I'm not so sure. Plus it brings back codex creep.
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May 30, 2017 17:07
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TheChirurgeon posted:Probably. The format I've seen in Chaos/Necrons/other leaks is that if a gun *only* shows up as required wargear on a single unit, it has a cost of 0 points I get that, but it is a bit confusing. Having said that, they can re-point the weapon down the road as a correction to the model price I guess.
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May 30, 2017 17:07
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So the big thing that was missing in speeding up a 2000 point game was they made it the equivalent of a 1500 point game in 7th? This is so missleading and classic GW I love it. Wonder how long it will take to play a 2500 point game as I am sure that will become the new standard. Unless I am way off here and most players are happy putting a fourth of their models on a shelve instead of on the table.
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May 30, 2017 17:08
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TheChirurgeon posted:Word is they did combine them, and Skitarii now have the "Skitarii" keyword: Yeah, that's how it is now. You can take drop pods and stuff as long as you take BA as a detachment. But that's what I mean about tax. I'd still have to invest into a second detachment to take them, and at that point I may as well just take the second army. Well, with templates being gone maybe my dudes won't die as fast. Happy about them being combined though.
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May 30, 2017 17:09
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So at first glance, big shooty bugs are interesting. Stranglethorns look like they'll absolutely ruin large infantry blobs, even on a fex. Walkrants with a HVC look decent, and if a Tyrannofex has a way to get any to hit bonuses even the Rupture Cannon may be worthwhile for 2D6(!!!) damage. Warriors with no gun are also down from 30 to 20 points, which is exactly what I was hoping for.
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May 30, 2017 17:10
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JesusIsTehCool posted:So the big thing that was missing in speeding up a 2000 point game was they made it the equivalent of a 1500 point game in 7th? This is so missleading and classic GW I love it. Wonder how long it will take to play a 2500 point game as I am sure that will become the new standard. Unless I am way off here and most players are happy putting a fourth of their models on a shelve instead of on the table. Actually yeah, people were asking for this. I agree with you though, in that it will just lead to playing 2k points games instead of 1500-point games TKIY posted:I get that, but it is a bit confusing. Having said that, they can re-point the weapon down the road as a correction to the model price I guess. Yeah. I agree that it's lame Also some more Thousand Sons info: quote:>exalted on disc gain fly, cavalry and daemon and lose infantry
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May 30, 2017 17:13
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Zuul the Cat posted:Yeah, that's how it is now. You can take drop pods and stuff as long as you take BA as a detachment. But that's what I mean about tax. I'd still have to invest into a second detachment to take them, and at that point I may as well just take the second army. No--they introduced a set of "single unit" detachments that cost you -1 CP to use. You don't have to take a second army. You just spend 1 CP to take a single transport. If you took another army detachment, you'd have to take one or more other choices for each transport you wanted to take, then give their transport to another unit See: The Auxiliary Support Detachment 
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May 30, 2017 17:16
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Liquid Communism posted:Opinions are awesome, I just get frustrated at the wailing and gnashing of teeth regarding having to do a bit more 3rd grade arithmetic when list building. I don't think it's at all unreasonable for people to be pissed off with the list building element of the book taking a jump back to an inelegant and unwieldy format that was fixed at least half a decade ago. There's certainly no need to be a tit about it. Lovely Joe Stalin fucked around with this message at 17:21 on May 30, 2017 |
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May 30, 2017 17:17
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Math shaming is NOT ok buddy. You know what I know? I got two fists! And i'll fist your loving face! TWICE.
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May 30, 2017 17:19
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TheChirurgeon posted:No--they introduced a set of "single unit" detachments that cost you -1 CP to use. You don't have to take a second army. You just spend 1 CP to take a single transport. If you took another army detachment, you'd have to take one or more other choices for each transport you wanted to take, then give their transport to another unit Ah, gotcha. This doesn't seem too bad, then. I'll have to weight the CP usefulness when making lists to see if it's better to just footslog or if i should spend them on rhinos.
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May 30, 2017 17:21
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*executes another Guardsmen* and I will continue to improve morale until the Imperial Guard leaks happen. Though that Mobile Fortress rule for the Battlewagon could bode well for my tanks.
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May 30, 2017 17:21
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TheChirurgeon posted:No--they introduced a set of "single unit" detachments that cost you -1 CP to use. You don't have to take a second army. You just spend 1 CP to take a single transport. If you took another army detachment, you'd have to take one or more other choices for each transport you wanted to take, then give their transport to another unit Most, if not all, of the transports are going to be Faction-locked. You won't be able to stick Skitarii in a Drop Pod.
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May 30, 2017 17:22
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MasterSlowPoke posted:Most, if not all, of the transports are going to be Faction-locked. You won't be able to stick Skitarii in a Drop Pod. Oh yeah, definitely agree there--So far everything we've seen limits transportable units to the same faction. if there is a transport that skitarii can climb inside, it'll probably be something that can transport any <IMPERIUM> unit. So maaaaaaybe Valkyries? You're probably hosed for the time being, just btw e: Leaks for Stupid Furry Dickhead Marines e2: Link taken down, but I snagged them      
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May 30, 2017 17:26
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So, uh, looks like carnifexes got way cheaper. I have Old One Eye, three screamer-killers, and two brainleech devourer dakkafexxes, soon to be three.  My initial plans are to replace my old metal zoanthropes with the new plastic ones. I love the old sculpt, but they are so drat top heavy and constantly break. I might also pick up some plastic venomthropes while I'm at it because while I have 3 metal ones, gently caress those models. Then I might get a haruspex if it turns out to be decent.
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May 30, 2017 17:31
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xtothez posted:So at first glance, big shooty bugs are interesting. Stranglethorns look like they'll absolutely ruin large infantry blobs, even on a fex. Walkrants with a HVC look decent, and if a Tyrannofex has a way to get any to hit bonuses even the Rupture Cannon may be worthwhile for 2D6(!!!) damage. Stranglethorns look pretty weak to me. d6 attacks so you average 3.5, and even if you get up to a 3+ to hit, you are going to kill two models, maybe.
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May 30, 2017 17:35
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Safety Factor posted:So, uh, looks like carnifexes got way cheaper. I have Old One Eye, three screamer-killers, and two brainleech devourer dakkafexxes, soon to be three. I'm worried about devourers. It says it's 7 points. How good can it actually be?
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May 30, 2017 17:42
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muggins posted:I'm worried about devourers. It says it's 7 points. How good can it actually be? They noticed the internal balance problem where TL Brainleech worm Devourers were way better than their other biocannon counterparts and brought them in line with the other weapons!
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May 30, 2017 17:44
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Warriors with Deathspitters and Rending Claws are 30 pts. even. Holy poo poo. It's even possible to make them shrikes with Rending Claws for 13 pts, since Rending Wings are 13 points. Goddamn, this is glorious, and it's not even my (main) army. I hope someone drops GSC rules soon. I am so hyped for this.
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May 30, 2017 17:45
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Ignite Memories posted:If everything costs more in points that means there's less stuff on the table and the game, theoretically, should play faster. This idea, touted several times now, is so completely absurd I can't wrap my head around it. Like if they reduced all points costs to a tenth of their current values every player would be forced to buy ten times as many models -- why are you leaving money on the table GW??
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May 30, 2017 17:46
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muggins posted:I'm worried about devourers. It says it's 7 points. How good can it actually be?
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Safety Factor posted:So, uh, looks like carnifexes got way cheaper. I have Old One Eye, three screamer-killers, and two brainleech devourer dakkafexxes, soon to be three. TKIY posted:Stranglethorns look pretty weak to me. d6 attacks so you average 3.5, and even if you get up to a 3+ to hit, you are going to kill two models, maybe.
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May 30, 2017 17:48
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xtothez posted:It's worth noting that Zoans and Venoms both got slapped with a 3 model minimum unit size now  thats a lot of mortal wounds.
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May 30, 2017 17:50
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:I don't think it's at all unreasonable for people to be pissed off with the list building element of the book taking a jump back to an inelegant and unwieldy format that was fixed at least half a decade ago. There's certainly no need to be a tit about it. Even the mildest of criticism is verboten in the 40k thread. Post positively or don't post at all. Mandatory smile patrols are in full force.
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May 30, 2017 17:51
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Do we know what 2 pairs of Monstrous Scything Talons even does? I was under the impression that the usual Carnifex build was a pair of Crushing Claws and a pair of Scything Talons, but I came in after the days of the Carnifex.
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May 30, 2017 17:52
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TTerrible posted:Even the mildest of criticism is verboten in the 40k thread. Post positively or don't post at all. Mandatory smile patrols are in full force. Lol why would you think this.
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May 30, 2017 17:52
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For_Great_Justice posted:God forbid anyone have a different opinion. 
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May 30, 2017 17:52
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May 30, 2017 17:53
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I like skulls
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May 30, 2017 17:57
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I'm still hyped for 8th. I didn't even play 7th! Ain't no death thread ham-hatin' no-math goon gonna bring me down!
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May 30, 2017 17:57
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panascope posted:I like skulls ME toO!
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May 30, 2017 17:58
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DO IT TO IT posted:Do we know what 2 pairs of Monstrous Scything Talons even does? I was under the impression that the usual Carnifex build was a pair of Crushing Claws and a pair of Scything Talons, but I came in after the days of the Carnifex. Here are the earlier leaks that seem to tie up with these point costs: quote:Carnifex
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May 30, 2017 17:59
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:Seriously. We get the loving Weeaboo Warriors, Bolter Bitches, and Brotherhood of the Used Tampon but no loving Orks? woah woah woah waoh this kind of talk in 2017 is unacceptable, I can't believe anyone would use language in such a forward and open community The term is "otaku" not weeaboo thank you very much
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May 30, 2017 17:59
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TheChirurgeon posted:Actually yeah, people were asking for this. I agree with you though, in that it will just lead to playing 2k points games instead of 1500-point games Are people actually so dense they were like "man I wish there was a way to make the game smaller?" while playing 2000 point games and not, you know, just play a 1500 or 1250 point game?!? Making the game smaller is not the same as making the game faster, I don't really care that much, I'll just play 1750-2500 point games now instead of 1250-2000, but I just think it is funny and classic GW to say they made a change and have actually done nothing.
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May 30, 2017 18:01
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xtothez posted:Here are the earlier leaks that seem to tie up with these point costs: So comparing 2 Scything Talons pairs against Crushing Claws + Scything Talons comes down to do I want Str6 and re-roll 1s to hit, or do I want Str12. With so much T7 and T8 showing up now, I wonder how useful Str6 would even be.
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May 30, 2017 18:03
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Shrikes look like they could be pretty awesome. I need the stats on the boneswords and lashwhips 
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May 30, 2017 18:05
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I'm just waiting for the Genestealer Cult alliance rules to leak, so I can find out which IG units I can take for the Cult, whether they inherit the Genestealer Cult tag or not, and if the IG option bars taking Tyranid units or not.
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Based on the changes to the Battlewagon I think Ork vehicles will be in for a significant change. Previously Battlewagons were glorified trucks; you took a minimum of one shoota and a red paint job... ...I just realized there's no red paint job wargear. gently caress. Worst edition ever... ...anyway you used to minimize vehicle costs because they weren't survivable. Now the changes to shooting, the improvement in survivability, and the changes to assault make the best vehicle choices seemingly very different from before. For starters I'm not sure assault is a good idea since the Battlewagon can only hit on a 5+. At that point it's the same as shooting but without the risk of getting hit back. The vehicle's ability to deal damage in shooting is also not susceptible to wounds. Of course the counter to this is how much all of those toys will cost, but I'm wondering if fitting a Battlewagon with 20 shoota boyz (or 20 burna boyz) and tacking on a bunch of dakka won't be better than ramming the enemy with them.
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