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BIG MEATY SHITS posted:Agreed SA should be a safespace for racist fuckwits. Hell, there might be a Chinese person out there who isn't offended so you shouldn't be either! 
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panascope posted:Bulb is obsessed with templates but I cannot honestly recall the last time he put one on the table. He snap shotted one during the second North v South game.
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May 30, 2017 15:25
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posting ironicat doesn't make you less of a racist fuckwit hth
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BIG MEATY SHITS posted:posting ironicat doesn't make you less of a racist fuckwit hth Putting hth at the end of your sentence doesn't make your post any wittier either Tell me does calling an englishman an englishman make me racist Please try not to get triggered by the hypothetical
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May 30, 2017 15:39
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Equivocating a widely considered racist term with another that isn't because they read similarly makes you an idiot as well as a racist.
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May 30, 2017 15:53
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 I ACCEPT THAT I HAVE BEEN BIGLY OWNED BY BULBASAUR AND HORUS HERESY 7.5
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May 30, 2017 16:00
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Is this thread engaging in an argument with furry avatar and whoever because they haven't seen The Big Lebowski?
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panascope posted:Bulb is obsessed with templates but I cannot honestly recall the last time he put one on the table. tallkidwithglasses posted:He snap shotted one during the second North v South game. Drunkingly referencing a thread from a shittier internet forum then this one along with a FAQ that doesn't even correlate with Snapshots and Blast Templates while pretending to ever use an Ironfire list that he has never fielded against his local meta in fear of his armies greatest RoW getting poo poo on by a mob of Space Furries basic tax units and/or 40 Outflanking SoH Plasma/Melta vets all because they do not fit with his made up rules that he still uses to bring units that synergize with his space robot lists. aka gently caress YOU BULBASAUR AND YOUR FAKE NEWS!
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May 30, 2017 16:54
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I didn't know Iron Hands got access to Ironfire.
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panascope posted:Bulb is obsessed with templates but I cannot honestly recall the last time he put one on the table. I keep wondering this but I just assumed that Iron Warriors somehow had more large blast weapons in 30k than the two they have in 40k (Defilers, Vindicators)
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spacegoat posted:Equivocating a widely considered racist term with another that isn't because they read similarly makes you an idiot as well as a racist. please keep your liberal agenda to yourself tyvm
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So how doable is it to use battle for calth as the core to either alpha legion or the night lords? I am equally interested in both and will pick whichever is easier to do with calth
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Agentdark posted:So how doable is it to use battle for calth as the core to either alpha legion or the night lords? I am equally interested in both and will pick whichever is easier to do with calth
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Either would be fine using Calth as a base, both armies being infantry-oriented means you get a lot out of the thirty marines. Alpha Legion is probably easier since their special units are bad so you don't need to go out of your way to model Lernaean Terminators or Headhunters.
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I'd say Alpha legion is a little easier, just because they want to look "generic" and NLs get more use out of their unique weapons and units. Really though, as others have said, Calth goes with everything.
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Ghost Hand posted:My apologies to Tteribble and anyone else I upset. It was uncalled fornon my part and I'm just really emotionally raw right now. It's been a tough couple of days and this isn't me. Please do accept my apology. I'll just steer way clear of boards and groups in general right now. We're all good. Come back and post in the 30k thread. It's the best GW thread on SA. Agentdark posted:So how doable is it to use battle for calth as the core to either alpha legion or the night lords? I am equally interested in both and will pick whichever is easier to do with calth As others have said, it is a great starter. Go back in this thread to when Betrayal at Calth was released and there is lots of suggestions on how to expand out from it.
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I created this thread specifically because Betrayal at Calth was released and wanted to have a separate thread to discuss it.
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Awesome thankyou. I want to get back in the game and with the rumors of warzone Armageddon for 40k, I figured I can start with Calth and go from there
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panascope posted:
I accept your manly concession speech. Let it be known to all in this thread, Panascope did not cheat out of this one when he could have
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panascope posted:
You're weak. You're bloodline is weak. You deserve death.
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So I put together this as a 2000 Point Alpha Legion List as a sort of end goal. I will obviously scale up to this as I pick up models. Do people see any major problems with this, things that can be done different. Basically the goal is infiltration everywhere, with Dynat hiding in the 20 man squad or one of the 10 man squads acting as an assault unit. This also might be utter garbage, and feel free to shread it. Paint Scheme Prime Chaos Black Drybrush Sotek Green Wash Drakenhof Nightshade Paint Leadbelcher on details... Alpha Legion Army List (2000 Points) Rite of War- Coils of the Hydra Mutable Tactics-Infiltrate (Usually) HQ Armillus Dynat- 200 pts Elite Gravewarden Terminators (Via coils of the Hydra)-210 Five Models, Land Raider Phoboes (250) 2xContempter Dreadnaught-350 Points Multi-Melta, DCC Troops 1xTactical Squad (255) 20 Models, Power dagger on Sergeant 1xTactical Squad (150) 10 Models, Power dagger on Sergeant, BP, CCW 1xTactical Squad (150) 10 Models, Power Knife on Sergeant, BP, CCW 1xLegion Support Squad (175) 5 Models, 4 Plasma Guns, 1 Plasma Pistol Heavy Support Sicaran Venator-200 Pts Armored Ceramite Quad Mortar-60pts A couple of questions 1. Is it worth it to use the ability to steal an elite choice? Or should I just use regular or Learnean Terminators? 2. Do most people use tactical squad upgrade kits, or would I be fine with a good paint job and some transfers. 3. The above list is sort of an end goal. To start I'll pry buy Battle at Calth and a Sicaran and sort of go from their. Agentdark fucked around with this message at 01:24 on May 31, 2017 |
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Stealing an elite choice is really strong with Alpha Legion as you can take a great unit and make them better thanks to mutable tactics. Infiltrating Red Butchers? Pyroclasts? Gal Broback? Tyrants with free tank hunter? It's all about the cool combos. You don't need the tactical upgrade kit. If you are buying legit FW most people just sprinkle them throughout the plastics. You could just go all heads, as another example.
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The shoulder pads are something I use on all my guys, the torsos are covered so often it only seems worthwhile on characters or unit leaders. Alpha Legion is so great. Being able to take any unit is such a fun power. Just make sure you model your Gal Vorbek as guys in Muppet costumes and you are ready for war.
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Infiltrating Gal Vorbak will loosen the bowels of pretty much anyone. You should definitely do that. Plus, they look awesome in metallic blue-green.
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I want some alphas just because I like them, but I wasn't aware of this cool rule.
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Here's what I'm working on for 2500. I'm thinking that having the predators flank will help with the range of the magna-meltas. Footslogging gorgons backed up by a cortus might not be the best plan, but they look cool and will be hard to shift from an objective. Autek Mor giving the veteran squad preferred enemy [infantry] sounds hilarious. +++ Iron hands (Warhammer 30,000 - The Horus Heresy) [2497pts] +++ ++ The Age of Darkness (Legiones Astartes: Age of Darkness Army List) [2497pts] ++ + HQ + Iron-father Autek Mor [742pts]: Cyber-familiar . . Legion Terminator Command Squad: Cataphractii Terminator Armour, 2x Chainfist, Grenade Harness, 4x Legion Space Marine Chosen, Legion Standard Bearer, Pair of Lightning Claws, Plasma Blaster, Power Fist, Volkite Charger . . . . Land Raider Phobos: Armoured Ceramite, Extra Armour + Elites + Contemptor-Cortus Class Dreadnought Talon [150pts] . . Cortus Dreadnought: Kheres Pattern Assault Cannons . . . . Dreadnought Close Combat Weapon: Twin-Linked Bolter Gorgon Terminator Squad [257pts]: Chainfist, 4x Gorgon Terminator, 3x Power Fist, Reaper Autocannon . . Gorgon Hammerbearer: Combi-weapon, Cyber-familiar Legion Quad Launcher Support Battery [70pts]: Legion Rapier, Shatter Shell Legion Veteran Tactical Squad [303pts]: Veteran Tactics: Marksmen . . Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier: Extra Armour, Multi Melta . . Legion Veteran Sergeant: Artificer Armour, Bolt Pistol, Chainsword/Combat Blade . . . . Combi-weapon: Combi-weapon: Plasma gun . . Legion Veteran Space Marines: Bolt Pistol, Chainsword or Combat Blade . . . . Combi-weapon: Combi-weapon: Plasma gun . . Legion Veteran Space Marines: Bolt Pistol, Chainsword or Combat Blade . . . . Combi-weapon: Combi-weapon: Plasma gun . . Legion Veteran Space Marines: Bolt Pistol, Chainsword or Combat Blade . . . . Combi-weapon: Combi-weapon: Plasma gun . . Legion Veteran Space Marines: Bolt Pistol, Chainsword or Combat Blade . . . . Combi-weapon: Combi-weapon: Plasma gun . . Legion Veteran Space Marines: Bolt Pistol, Chainsword or Combat Blade . . . . Combi-weapon: Combi-weapon: Plasma gun . . Legion Veteran Space Marines: Bolt Pistol, Chainsword or Combat Blade . . . . Combi-weapon: Combi-weapon: Plasma gun . . Legion Veteran Space Marines: Bolt Pistol, Chainsword or Combat Blade . . . . Combi-weapon: Combi-weapon: Plasma gun . . Legion Veteran Space Marines: Bolt Pistol, Chainsword or Combat Blade . . . . Combi-weapon: Combi-weapon: Plasma gun + Troops + Legion Tactical Squad [195pts]: 9x Legion Tactical Space Marines . . Additional Wargear: Bolters . . Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier: Multi Melta . . Legion Tactical Sergeant: Artificer Armour . . . . Combi-weapon: Combi-weapon: Plasma gun Legion Tactical Squad [195pts]: 9x Legion Tactical Space Marines . . Additional Wargear: Bolters . . Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier: Multi Melta . . Legion Tactical Sergeant: Artificer Armour . . . . Combi-weapon: Combi-weapon: Plasma gun + Heavy Support + Legion Predator Strike Armoured Squadron [395pts]: Squadron Command Tank . . Legion Predator Tank: Magna-Melta Cannon . . Legion Predator Tank: Magna-Melta Cannon . . Legion Predator Tank: Magna-Melta Cannon Sicaran Venator Tank Destroyer [190pts] + Allegiance + Legiones Astartes: X: Iron Hands, Loyalist Rite of War: The Head of the Gorgon Created with BattleScribe
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BULBASAUR posted:Stealing an elite choice is really strong with Alpha Legion as you can take a great unit and make them better thanks to mutable tactics. Infiltrating Red Butchers? Pyroclasts? Gal Broback? Tyrants with free tank hunter? It's all about the cool combos. Oh god I just read the Gal Vorback Entry...that is...very terrifying. Also, are Learnian Terminators any good or should I just take regular terminators and deep strike them. I would like to sort of budget this as much as one can with forgeworld. Buying just the heads and doing the transfers seems fine. Agentdark fucked around with this message at 04:08 on May 31, 2017 |
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I tend to not use the FW chest upgrades as bolters will cover the interesting detail. They work better on assault marines. I also tend not to use the shoulder pads because I want freedom with my transfers and I think the detail can be muddled on them. The helms are great and you can either mix them across units like Bulbasaur suggests or use them to pick out specialist units or veterans.
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Hixson posted:You're weak. You're bloodline is weak. You deserve death. I look forward to my son killing me out of shame.
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Agentdark posted:Oh god I just read the Gal Vorback Entry...that is...very terrifying. Alphas are one of those legions that have really good legion rules, but pretty medicore special units. Learnian termies are better than similarly upgrade terminators, but I feel most players would rather save on the upgrades and just go with cheaper legion terminators. Terminators are really good as troops, but you need to specialize them otherwise they blow out your points budget. Conversion beamer? Axes? Volkites? It's a weird mix that you end up paying a lot of points to use, even if it's priced competitively against the legion ones. As for heads and transfers, you can always look at plastic bits to make your guys stand out. I did mine before the IW uppgreydd kit existed and just used the old chaos heads and chaos torsos. They still look pretty unique and it was less than going full hog on the conversion kit:  chutche2 posted:Here's what I'm working on for 2500. I'm thinking that having the predators flank will help with the range of the magna-meltas. Footslogging gorgons backed up by a cortus might not be the best plan, but they look cool and will be hard to shift from an objective. Autek Mor giving the veteran squad preferred enemy [infantry] sounds hilarious. You should consider giving 2/3 of your predators machine spirit so you can split fire and ignore shaken results. Command tank upgrade would also be a good option, or just throw Orth into one of them. The Gorgons, contemptor, and thudd gun are the lame ducks here that don't really have a job. If you drop those you're looking at a 2,000 point list which is more appropriate to the power level of your list. So much outflanking also leaves with you little of a base to protect your own deployment. If you could take a bunker of coms this would be a good anvil. Vets are so broken they even make HOTG look bad in comparison. The mechanized tactical squads are a good use of those slots, you did well, but man it hurts me to see how far this ROW has fallen in the new meta.
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BULBASAUR posted:Alphas are one of those legions that have really good legion rules, but pretty medicore special units. Learnian termies are better than similarly upgrade terminators, but I feel most players would rather save on the upgrades and just go with cheaper legion terminators. Terminators are really good as troops, but you need to specialize them otherwise they blow out your points budget. Conversion beamer? Axes? Volkites? It's a weird mix that you end up paying a lot of points to use, even if it's priced competitively against the legion ones. Yeah it's got squadron command tank. Also what do you mean so much outflanking? Was just going to do the predators and vets. Dropping it down to a 2k point list is definitely the smart thing to do, I agree. I just think the gorgons are rad. I don't even have a thudd gun yet I just wanted something with a decent range and rate of fire. The comtemptor is the lovely plastic one I don't care if I include it or not. Dropping those two gives me 220. I'd have to think hard about if I want to lose the gorgons. chutche2 fucked around with this message at 05:11 on May 31, 2017 |
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Warhammer 30K: You are bloodline is weak
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Broken Record Talk posted:Infiltrating Gal Vorbak will loosen the bowels of pretty much anyone. You should definitely do that. Plus, they look awesome in metallic blue-green. Don't forget that Gal Vorbak don't get mutable tactics (no legion astartes), but there's still a way to infiltrate them if you're clever.
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chutche2 posted:Yeah it's got squadron command tank. You can drop the command squad and rock the gorgons as Autek's boyfriends instead. As for outflanking, you should definitively consider outflanking your tacticals. With HOTG a semi useless tactical squad turns into an outflanking multi melta, that scores, and has a combi plas/melta follow up shot. Sure it's not an outflanking vet squad, but it's a cheap troops choice that plays up the strengths of the ROW.
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BULBASAUR posted:You can drop the command squad and rock the gorgons as Autek's boyfriends instead. Yeah the problem is that if the Gorgons are hanging with Autek they can't all fit in a land raider. Is it okay to have them walk? Dropping the land raider and cataphractii frees up a ton of points. I could get a spartan for them with the points saved, though it'll be a while before I get one. Dropping the command squad, land raider, dread, and thudd gun, then adding a spartan with ceramite and flare shield puts me at 2140. I'll have to see what I can do about that. Or just have them walk. So if I have them walk, I could add in the two machine spirits to my predators, add in my vindicator, and with the points left could add a stock javelin attack speeder. chutche2 fucked around with this message at 07:26 on May 31, 2017 |
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It would be a waste, since with HotG you get outflanking land raiders and those are cheaper than a spartan. If I were you I'd sit down and think about how you wanna play up the advantages of HotG. It's designed around giving you a solid rear line while outflanking a ton of armor into your enemy. You need some reserve manipulation to make sure it goes your way. A coms bunker is your best option. It's 75 points and a solid rear line holder you can cram 40 models into if you wanted. If you give it walls you even get a 4+ cover save. Next, pick what you want to sit inside of it. From there you want a secondary rear line holding unit. Something like a thudd gun or two to give you a fire base (imagine those parked behind the bunker's walls, T8 and with a 4+ cover save!). The rest of your points can go into armored encirclement, just what the late ferrus manus would have wanted.
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BULBASAUR posted:It would be a waste, since with HotG you get outflanking land raiders and those are cheaper than a spartan. Yeah, I don't think I can accomplish all those objectives at 2000, I'd need to go to 2.5. Even if I dropped the gorgons, dread, thudd gun, and kept the command squad and land raider I'd be 20 points over 2k. Any suggestions of what could fit in the bunker? Some kind of heavy support squad? Maybe a tactical support squad with graviton guns?
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TheChirurgeon posted:I keep wondering this but I just assumed that Iron Warriors somehow had more large blast weapons in 30k than the two they have in 40k (Defilers, Vindicators) You would think that, but nope. Same options and limitations as everyone else.
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