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the official forums have always been full of tvtropes addicted superspergs and asskissers demanding eternal fealty to prince balder in exchange for his magnanimity in bestowing unto us the mighty Pages
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The archons showing up down there was equally rear end-pully as anything else that's happened, really. Erfworld has a "strict" ruleset that everyone agrees upon to follow/believe in, but the comic is all about breaking the rules constantly. It worked better when it was just Parson breaking them against impossible odds, but it still works with OP erfworlders doing it.
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May 28, 2017 18:52
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It was certainly more set up than uncroaking a volcano, which I don't recall anyone complaining too much about.
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May 28, 2017 19:55
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Well it just kinda felt like watching one of the "Luigi wins by doing absolutely nothing" videos. Wanda won by doing nothing besides a bit of stalling.
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May 28, 2017 22:28
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Cat Mattress posted:Well it just kinda felt like watching one of the "Luigi wins by doing absolutely nothing" videos. Wanda won by doing nothing besides a bit of stalling. Has Wanda ever actually done anything helpful on purpose?
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May 28, 2017 22:45
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Rand Brittain posted:Has Wanda ever actually done anything helpful on purpose? Inaction is the only helpful action Wanda can take.
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May 28, 2017 23:47
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White Coke posted:Inaction is the only helpful action Wanda can take. Well, I mean, she sometimes does helpful things just because they're obvious, like: she gets a tool that lets her raise any corpse as a loyal immortal servant for free, so she starts raising all the corpses she sees. That's helpful but it's not really a choice on her part; it's just her doing the obvious thing with the options presented to her. I can't remember any given occasion on which Wanda had an actual decision to make and chose correctly.
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May 28, 2017 23:53
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She made many choices in Book 0, some of which may even have been correct. More recently...? I guess trying to murder Janice was a smart decision, even if it didn't work. Preventing Lilith from trying to kill Charlie, knowing that Fate would have stopped her?
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May 29, 2017 00:02
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NihilCredo posted:She made many choices in Book 0, some of which may even have been correct. She's definitely been consciously trying to make new and better decisions, she's just very bad at it. Of course, she's by no means stupid, and she's largely bad at making decisions because Erfworld has tried very hard to hammer all the independence out of her, so it's possible that she's going to improve under Parson's influence.
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May 29, 2017 00:04
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She's been wedged into a rather passive position narratively for some time now as well. When she wasn't, you know, literally imprisoned she was making more active choices.
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May 29, 2017 01:14
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I think it's interesting that the pliers being a tool of necromancy is probably only the case because they were picked up by a necromancer. If any other class that looks at Strings were to claim it, it would probably have completely different abilities.
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May 29, 2017 01:30
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Bobulus posted:I think it's interesting that the pliers being a tool of necromancy is probably only the case because they were picked up by a necromancer. If any other class that looks at Strings were to claim it, it would probably have completely different abilities. Is that really true? It seems just as likely that they'd only work for a Croakamancer. I mean, lots of people who weren't Croakamancers, like Ansom, picked them up and wielded them but couldn't use their powers. It seems like the two most likely explanations are "it works for any Croakamancer and only for them" or "literally only Wanda can use the Arkenpliers because they were created for her and nobody else."
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May 29, 2017 02:30
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the last time she made a decision on her own initiative that was correct i'd say was her choice to take command of the battle at portal park and order the caster linkup. that was pretty shrewd and it ended up being the right call.
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May 29, 2017 03:03
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Rand Brittain posted:Is that really true? It seems just as likely that they'd only work for a Croakamancer. There's also no evidence that Jetstone ever handed the pliers to anyone besides the royal family to test, and none of them were casters. I think it's fair to say that there's some prerequisite along the lines of 'master class caster of string manipulation type'. At the very least, I'd disagree with the notion that the pliers were made for Wanda specifically. The Titans have never been portrayed as being so specific in their actions.
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May 29, 2017 04:02
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My favorite theory is that the Tools can't attune to Royals
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May 29, 2017 04:18
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isndl posted:At the very least, I'd disagree with the notion that the pliers were made for Wanda specifically. The Titans have never been portrayed as being so specific in their actions. You mean, they've never been portrayed as having detailed and specific plans for certain people's lives? I'm not so sure about that... EDIT: Also, Wanda is Royal. EDIT: Oh, wait, I guess she isn't? I was thinking "Lady" meant she was at least Noble. Rand Brittain fucked around with this message at 04:58 on May 29, 2017 |
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May 29, 2017 04:43
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Rand Brittain posted:You mean, they've never been portrayed as having detailed and specific plans for certain people's lives? I'm not so sure about that... No, the Titans themselves have never been about specifics. They made the world, they carelessly lost a gem that resulted in a decisive defeat for Stanley prior to TBfGK, but they've never said 'this is meant for you specifically'. That's the whole argument between Royalism and Toolism, that Royals have divine mandate from lineage whereas Toolists have it via attunement. People are assuming Titanic will, but it's all inference and never explicit. When I said that Jetstone only handed the pliers to the royal family, I meant that they only gave the pliers to warlords to test. I don't think any of the Jetstone casters were royals, or in any case they were not regarded highly enough to be granted a unique artifact. Wanda is indeed a royal, if I'm remembering her origin story right.
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May 29, 2017 06:54
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isndl posted:Wanda is indeed a royal, if I'm remembering her origin story right. No she's not. Her father was Overlord, not King.
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May 29, 2017 07:06
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Ah, that bit I didn't remember. Mark her down as plebeian then.
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May 29, 2017 07:14
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Wanda knows she's being railroaded to do certain things, so she knows she can do whatever and it'll come to pass in a preordained way. Keep this in mind when judging her actions, she knows she'll get out of any situation alive and relatively fine until she gets to the last of the prophecied encounters.
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May 29, 2017 08:35
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That's not really her belief system at all? She CAN do whatever and have things come to pass, but certainly not in a preordained way. Her whole "easy way and the hard way" spiel.
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May 29, 2017 08:52
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reignonyourparade posted:That's not really her belief system at all? She CAN do whatever and have things come to pass, but certainly not in a preordained way. Her whole "easy way and the hard way" spiel. That's not the point he was making, though -- stuff like the way she acted in this encounter with Charlie, which might seem like a silly degree of faith in your immortality or just plain fatalism in other people, was a fine way to play it, because no, the archons WEREN'T going to be able to kill her. Why settle for anything less than an equal share of Charlescomm?
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May 29, 2017 23:57
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All she asked of Charlie was what she already had working for GK, it didn't seem that unreasonable. I doubt Charlie was exactly dealing in good faith though. I'm really looking forward to another update from his perspective right now.
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May 30, 2017 01:17
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Zoe posted:All she asked of Charlie was what she already had working for GK, it didn't seem that unreasonable. I doubt Charlie was exactly dealing in good faith though. Huh, you know, she did in fact not ask for anything she didn't have working for GK. And yeah, Charlie is never dealing in good faith.
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May 30, 2017 01:26
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Zoe posted:All she asked of Charlie was what she already had working for GK, it didn't seem that unreasonable. I doubt Charlie was exactly dealing in good faith though. She asked for half his archons including his most senior one. I presume in this case, she meant to decrypt them so they were "hers". There was no way he was gonna give her that.
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May 30, 2017 04:05
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JuniperCake posted:She asked for half his archons including his most senior one. I presume in this case, she meant to decrypt them so they were "hers". There was no way he was gonna give her that. Right, and half of the senior soldiers of GK, except Stanley's knights, are decrypted. And I'm sure there had been decrypted Hobgoblins in the past. lets look at GK's current leadership, it's Chief Warlord is Decrypted, and most of its inner circle is decrytped, as are the majority of its casters.
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May 30, 2017 04:09
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Well, Wanda definitely isn't co-ruler of Gobwin Knob and she's not immune to being disbanded.
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May 30, 2017 04:17
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Onmi posted:Right, and half of the senior soldiers of GK, except Stanley's knights, are decrypted. And I'm sure there had been decrypted Hobgoblins in the past. lets look at GK's current leadership, it's Chief Warlord is Decrypted, and most of its inner circle is decrytped, as are the majority of its casters. Yeah but she didn't ask to kill them to decrypt them. They died from events in the comic and most came from other sides which were former enemies. She was asking to kill half of charlie's archons including his most favored foxer and decrypt them.Which one is that anyways? I can't remember but it would be pretty hilarious if its Tondelayo. That's a bit different. Also I'm pretty sure Charlie cares alot more for the units in his care than Stanley does for his. Like Stanley appreciates useful units like Parson and will go out of his way to help them out, but I doubt he is emotionally invested in them on the same level that Charlie is for his archons. JuniperCake fucked around with this message at 04:30 on May 30, 2017 |
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May 30, 2017 04:25
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JuniperCake posted:Yeah but she didn't ask to kill them to decrypt them. They died from events in the comic and most came from other sides which were former enemies. The other way to look at it is that Stanley isn't anywhere near as controlling as Charlie is. Stanley has put his foot down (Telling her not to decrypt a still living Jack because he happened to like him) mostly because of their different grand strategies.
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May 30, 2017 04:47
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Onmi posted:The other way to look at it is that Stanley isn't anywhere near as controlling as Charlie is. Stanley has put his foot down (Telling her not to decrypt a still living Jack because he happened to like him) mostly because of their different grand strategies. Oh dear, I just realized - in hindsight, the reason she suggested croaking & decrypting Jack wasn't (mostly!) because she's cruel, ruthless and evil, but because she saw an opportunity to free him from the Deal of a Lifetime and have him brief Parson. She just couldn't explain her true reason to Stanley and hoped he'd be uncaring enough to allow it.
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May 30, 2017 12:14
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NihilCredo posted:Oh dear, I just realized - in hindsight, the reason she suggested croaking & decrypting Jack wasn't (mostly!) because she's cruel, ruthless and evil, but because she saw an opportunity to free him from the Deal of a Lifetime and have him brief Parson. She just couldn't explain her true reason to Stanley and hoped he'd be uncaring enough to allow it. Annnnndddd now I sat down and reread all of book 2 epilogue. The art style is so jarring between now and then. Except Jack. Mfer, always looking dapper.
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May 31, 2017 03:52
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Okay, "Isaac" is officially starting to creep me out.
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May 31, 2017 04:59
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Welp the MK is hosed. I wonder if it's possible to contain the Isaac-borg by sealing off every portal? Cause the Deiform doesn't seem like something you could conceivably fight if it decides it just wants to eat every caster.
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May 31, 2017 05:25
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What does Deiform need with a dirtamancer? They share juice when linked, right?
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May 31, 2017 05:35
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nimby posted:What does Deiform need with a dirtamancer? To give Wanda a way up? To sink every portal? To reshape the MK to the Deiforms image, maybe it just wants to rebuild the Temple? EDIT: Oh. Those are the plans to Charlescomm. Oh.
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May 31, 2017 05:51
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It is legitimately hilarious how badly killing off the Great Minds is going for charlie.
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May 31, 2017 05:58
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reignonyourparade posted:It is legitimately hilarious how badly killing off the Great Minds is going for charlie. It's especially hilarious if the Deiform didn't actually give a drat about rescuing Wanda and only killed all the Archons so he could get Charlie's pet Dirtamancer.
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May 31, 2017 06:00
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Rand Brittain posted:It's especially hilarious if the Deiform didn't actually give a drat about rescuing Wanda and only killed all the Archons so he could get Charlie's pet Dirtamancer. It's probably a two birds with one stone thing. Wanda is a useful tool against Charlie in her own right.
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May 31, 2017 06:04
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Onmi posted:EDIT: Oh. Those are the plans to Charlescomm. I didn't notice. Guess the Deiform is going to sink charlescomm the way Charlie sank the temple. Gotta hope Ivan "surrendering" counts as changing sides so he doesn't trigger massive penalties.
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May 31, 2017 07:48
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Is there any reason to think this is something other than a normal linkup? Ivan's physical body is unharmed so his strings should steal lead to it and Wanda.
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