UKMT May 2017: Weak and Wobbly vs. Old and Knobbly

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Macarius Wrench: Mar 28, 2017; by Lowtax

Spuckuk posted:

Worked in the gaming industry a while here and this.

Don't gamble, really, the industry is disgusting and predatory af, just bet against your wrong minded friends instead.

As an aside I hate it when people call gambling the gaming industry. That's for videogames!

# ? May 31, 2017 15:55

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communism bitch: Apr 24, 2009

Overminty posted:

https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/869925992369987584

im lolling (laughing on-line) here

# ? May 31, 2017 15:55

Lunar Suite: Jun 5, 2011; If you love a flower which happens to be on a star, it is sweet at night to gaze at the sky. All the stars are a riot of flowers.

Lunar Suite posted:

# ? May 31, 2017 15:56

Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

lol at how fast the knives have come out for may

# ? May 31, 2017 15:57

Don't Lol me: Sep 6, 2004

Oberleutnant posted:

im lolling (laughing on-line) here

With this and Pistol Pete's anecdote, dare we to hope?

# ? May 31, 2017 15:57

Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

who the gently caress even is there to replace her if they get rid?

# ? May 31, 2017 15:57

Zephro: Nov 23, 2000; I suppose I could part with one and still be feared...

Broken Cog posted:

Anyone got any good articles on what a weak Tory showing in the GE could mean for the Brexit negotiations?

It probably doesn't matter all that much. You can argue that a tiny majority gives her a card to play in seeking concessions because she can argue that with a small majority she can't get a poo poo deal through parliament. Or you can argue that having a tiny majority leaves her at the mercy of the ultra-brexit fruit loops, which might carry more weight if she wasn't an ultra-brexit fruit loop herself (since we're now committed to an even harder brexit than the official Vote Leave campaign were arguing for, ie leaving the single market and the customs union).

# ? May 31, 2017 15:58

SteelMentor: Oct 15, 2012; TOXIC

Jose posted:

who the gently caress even is there to replace her if they get rid?

Michael Gove.

God help us all.

# ? May 31, 2017 15:58

Ora Tzo: Feb 26, 2016; HEEEERES TONYYYY

Maybe she's hoping for a minority with the Lib Dems so she doesnt have to handle Brexit.

# ? May 31, 2017 15:58

big scary monsters: Sep 2, 2011; -~Ｓｋｕｌｌｗａｖｅ~-

I'm not surprised to see some dissent in the Tory ranks. It's one thing to be ideologically Conservative and want them to win, but it must be exasperating when your leader is falling apart in the face of the election she herself called.

# ? May 31, 2017 15:58

Lunar Suite: Jun 5, 2011; If you love a flower which happens to be on a star, it is sweet at night to gaze at the sky. All the stars are a riot of flowers.

Jose posted:

who the gently caress even is there to replace her if they get rid?

*squints at torn up cue card* An-something Loath-or other?

# ? May 31, 2017 15:58

Pissflaps: Oct 20, 2002; by VideoGames

There's a lot of optimism in this thread but the charity predictions seem to have dried up which is a shame.

# ? May 31, 2017 15:59

Strom Cuzewon: Jul 1, 2010

So tonights debate is going to be 7-way? How can you have anything resembling a sensible discussion with 7 people trying to put their point across? It's going to be an absolute clusterfuck.

# ? May 31, 2017 15:59

Regarde Aduck: Oct 19, 2012; c l o u d k i t t e n; Grimey Drawer

I can't help but feel that she's still going to win because the campaign time was so short. There's just not enough time for how terrible May is to sink in. So now we get to see exactly how hosed we are but can't prevent it. I knew she was bad, she's a Tory. But she's not just bad, she's inept and unstable. She'll crash this country into the abyss if she thinks it'll give her a legacy.

# ? May 31, 2017 15:59

Pissflaps: Oct 20, 2002; by VideoGames

Strom Cuzewon posted:

So tonights debate is going to be 7-way? How can you have anything resembling a sensible discussion with 7 people trying to put their point across? It's going to be an absolute clusterfuck.

You can't. It's going to be terrible.

# ? May 31, 2017 16:00

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

Macarius Wrench posted:

As an aside I hate it when people call gambling the gaming industry. That's for videogames!

Games of skill, games of equal chance, and games of unequal chance are all games.

Just happens that the latter are poo poo and that's why they're the bread and butter of online casinos.

# ? May 31, 2017 16:01

Tesseraction: Apr 5, 2009

Ora Tzo posted:

Maybe she's hoping for a minority with the Lib Dems so she doesnt have to handle Brexit.

at first I was like "this is the dumbest possible suggestion"

then I realised that's exactly why they'd do it

# ? May 31, 2017 16:01

Regarde Aduck: Oct 19, 2012; c l o u d k i t t e n; Grimey Drawer

Pissflaps posted:

There's a lot of optimism in this thread but the charity predictions seem to have dried up which is a shame.

I'm enjoying May making a fool of herself. I'm preparing for the worst come election.

# ? May 31, 2017 16:01

waffle: May 12, 2001; HEH

Strom Cuzewon posted:

So tonights debate is going to be 7-way? How can you have anything resembling a sensible discussion with 7 people trying to put their point across? It's going to be an absolute clusterfuck.

Yeah the 2015 7-way debate was kind of a clusterfuck. It probably limits Corbyn's risk in deciding to join, unless literally everyone dogpiles on him (they won't, and also moderators won't really let it happen to the degree people might expect), then most of the debate will probably just be white noise unless big shocker soundbites happen. In which case it just becomes an effective attack line on May.

# ? May 31, 2017 16:01

mfcrocker: Jan 31, 2004; Hot Rope Guy

Pistol_Pete posted:

A strong conservative supporter that I know has just posted on Facebook that he can't vote Tory after seeing Theresa May on the debate the other night and his right wing friends are agreeing in the comments.

I've known him for years and never seen him talk like that before. Low turnout of Tory voters on election day, maybe?

Time to put the boot in and get them voting for our boy Corbs

# ? May 31, 2017 16:02

Rakosi: May 5, 2008; D&D: HASBARA SQUAD
NO-QUARTERMASTER

From the river (of Palestinian blood) to the sea (of Palestinian tears)

I think a Hilary Benn lead Labour would have beaten May in this election, or at least polled higher that Corbyn.

# ? May 31, 2017 16:02

Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

https://twitter.com/Jack_Blanchard_/status/869905028282232833

# ? May 31, 2017 16:03

dispatch_async: Nov 28, 2014; Imagine having the time to have played through 20 generations of one family in The Sims 2. Imagine making the original two members of that family Neil Buchanan and Cat Deeley. Imagine complaining to Maxis there was no technological progression. You've successfully imagined my life

Jose posted:

who the gently caress even is there to replace her if they get rid?

Amber Rudd is auditioning for the roll tonight

# ? May 31, 2017 16:03

communism bitch: Apr 24, 2009

Strom Cuzewon posted:

So tonights debate is going to be 7-way? How can you have anything resembling a sensible discussion with 7 people trying to put their point across? It's going to be an absolute clusterfuck.

It's worth remembering that this 7-way format was first implemented at the insistence of master political operator Davey Cameron prior to the 2015 GE (he threatened not to turn up unless it included everybody). The general consensus was that this was because the idea of a head-to-head debate with Milliband loving terrified him, because he wouldn't be able to get away with his non-answer, soundbitey deflection bollocks that works so well at PMQs.

By making it a 7 way the debate (as intended) becomes utterly unmanageable and incoherent and probably nothing and nobody can meaningfully stand out or make an impression unless somebody has a compete meltdown and monopolises all the post-event reporting. The goal was to allow David's empty rhetoric sort of merge into the general background noise, instead of being the centre of attention.

All of which makes May's probable refusal to participate even more hilarious, because this entire format was designed explicitly to protect tories who can't function in a grown up debate, and she can't even handle that.

# ? May 31, 2017 16:05

Strom Cuzewon: Jul 1, 2010

^^^ You'd think people would call them out for blatant hypocrisy.

Well not think, hope. Which is a lie etc etc

Young Tory in "absolute scumbag" shocker: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/may/31/controversial-blogposts-tory-party-candidate-absolutely-shocking

quote:

A Conservative candidate in a key marginal seat has said a woman�s �promiscuity� is relevant in determining how likely it is that she consented to sex in alleged rape cases.

Peter Cuthbertson, who is seeking election as the Tory candidate in Darlington, expressed a series of controversial views in a prominent blog he wrote in the early 2000s.

He praised a �courageous priest jailed in Sweden for preaching against homosexuality� and wrote several blogposts about rape claims, including one arguing against proposals to make men prove they obtained consent before sex and restrictions on bringing up a woman�s sexual history in court.

He argued that a �woman of low morals is more likely to consent to sex, and to lie� and concluded that �all the sympathy in the world should be extended to women who have been raped, but men who are falsely accused of this crime are equally the victims here�.

The 33-year-old, a public affairs consultant, who has previously worked for the Taxpayers� Alliance, is in a tight race to overturn a 3,158 majority held by Labour�s Jenny Chapman in Darlington. The Conservative Commentary blogposts were written when he was a university student 18 to 20years old.

One of them opines on the problem of �diseased children of diseased morals� in a piece about sexually transmitted disease infection rates among young people.

Cuthbertson wrote: �I can say with absolute certainty that 99% of the girls in question will know exactly how to use various contraceptives. The reason they don�t on the whole seem to bother is the same as the reason they mate like animals in the first place: no one hopes for or demands anything better from them than that they conform to the most base instincts for instant gratification, whatever the morality of their actions and whatever the consequences.�

Although he did have a pretty good zinger on having changed his mind:

quote:

�I didn�t actually have an Afro at the time, but my views have certainly changed on a number of issues since I was a teenager in 2002,�

# ? May 31, 2017 16:06

feedmegin: Jul 30, 2008

dispatch_async posted:

Amber Rudd is auditioning for the roll tonight

I think you'll find it's called a bap.

Looks like May met some workers in Somerset today....presumably all carefully pre-screened?

# ? May 31, 2017 16:07

TACD: Oct 27, 2000

Broken Cog posted:

It could give credence to the argument that the British people don't want a "Hard Brexit" anymore.

I'm also of the opinion that it doesn't matter what the British people (or even British politicians) want. Our negotiating power is just about zero; we'll get the Brexit the EU gives us. We can make it worse but we can't make it any better.

# ? May 31, 2017 16:08

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

Jose posted:

who the gently caress even is there to replace her if they get rid?

*deep intake of breath* BOJO

# ? May 31, 2017 16:08

Tesseraction: Apr 5, 2009

Oberleutnant posted:

All of which makes May's probable refusal to participate even more hilarious, because this entire format was designed explicitly to protect tories who can't function in a grown up debate, and she can't even handle that.

Mind you didn't the seven-way mostly function on a round-robin dunk session of the hogfucker? I seem to remember Miliband only eating poo poo in the one where the piggy stayed at home.

# ? May 31, 2017 16:08

Noxville: Dec 7, 2003

Rakosi posted:

I think a Hilary Benn lead Labour would have beaten May in this election, or at least polled higher that Corbyn.

May would not have made nearly so many mistakes because Hilary Benn or any of the other Labour right would have put her under no pressure and agreed with most of the Tory manifesto.

# ? May 31, 2017 16:10

CyberPingu: Sep 15, 2013; If you're not striving to improve, you'll end up going backwards.

Baron Corbyn posted:

Bold prediction: Theresa May does not walk into 2018 as Prime Minister.

Thats not very bold...

Or :thejoke:

# ? May 31, 2017 16:11

Spangly A: May 14, 2009; God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall

Baron Corbyn posted:

Bold prediction: Theresa May does not walk into 2018 as Prime Minister.

this is becoming rather less bold, I can't see any way she lasts. The tories will be lucky not to see a second general, and they'll totally misread voter exhaustion and gently caress that too.

Jose posted:

lol at how fast the knives have come out for may

In the middle of a general election where party disunity is a weapon against corbyn

they're cracking up

# ? May 31, 2017 16:11

Fans: Jun 27, 2013; A reptile dysfunction

peanut- posted:

https://twitter.com/politicshome/status/869903958827036674

She's lost it completely.

Is it possible she's forgotten she called an election?

# ? May 31, 2017 16:11

GEORGE W BUSHI: Jul 1, 2012

Arguing about other leaders and if they could have beaten May is irrelevant cos she wouldn't have called an election if Labour weren't 20% behind.

# ? May 31, 2017 16:13

Spangly A: May 14, 2009; God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall

I can't think of a better way to suppress your core voters than nominate an extremist, totally botch the campaign in an unexpected election, and then do literally the things you're attacking your pseudo-presidential opponent for

# ? May 31, 2017 16:13

forkboy84: Jun 13, 2012; Corgis love bread. And Puro

Jose posted:

who the gently caress even is there to replace her if they get rid?

Boris is the bookies favourite.

# ? May 31, 2017 16:14

GEORGE W BUSHI: Jul 1, 2012

forkboy84 posted:

Boris is the bookies favourite.

like last time then?

# ? May 31, 2017 16:14

communism bitch: Apr 24, 2009

Tesseraction posted:

Mind you didn't the seven-way mostly function on a round-robin dunk session of the hogfucker? I seem to remember Miliband only eating poo poo in the one where the piggy stayed at home.

Honestly can't recall. All I remember is Pigfucker threatening not to turn up, some suggestion of doing the old HIGNFY gag of putting a tub of lard on his podium, his eventual caving, and then Farage gobbing off about an imaginary flood of HIV infected refugees from former Communist countries, drawing gasps of horror from the audience.

communism bitch fucked around with this message at 16:17 on May 31, 2017

# ? May 31, 2017 16:15

CyberPingu: Sep 15, 2013; If you're not striving to improve, you'll end up going backwards.

Fans posted:

Is it possible she's forgotten she called an election?

"WHY DOES THIS TOSSER KEEP ASKING TO DEBATE ME...ITS NOT EVEN ELECTION SEASON!!!!"

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thehappyprince: Apr 4, 2006; Alastair Cock

Noxville posted:

May would not have made nearly so many mistakes because Hilary Benn or any of the other Labour right would have put her under no pressure and agreed with most of the Tory manifesto.

they'd almost definitely be carving 'prepared to walk away from a brexit deal' on a stone around about now whilst agreeing that debates are bad, like rises in welfare payments

# ? May 31, 2017 16:16

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