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The tally so far: – 25, TildeATH, Lord Cyrahzax, Dick Trauma, paragon1, Hitlers Gay Secret, Bloody Pom, Luhood, Archaeology Hat, Erwin the German, ThatBasqueGuy, Grizzwold, Snipee, Frionnel, Flavius Belisarius, everydayfalls, RZApublican, Aeromancia, Technowolf, Sampatrick, mcclay, Rodyle, Prince Orcus, catlord, Yvonmukluk, Mr_Autoshades. – 6, Ralepozozaxe, Slaan, tunapirate, AJ_Impy, Nine of Eight, Affi. – 10, GunnerJ, Talas, HiHo ChiRho, Dance Officer, Mikl, Deceitful Penguin, Yessod, Thordain, Ikasuhito, WilliamAnderson. – 8, Mountaineer, Soup du Jour, Crazycryodude, Sinner Sandwich, LordGugs, Patter Song, ZearothK, Zakrelo.
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May 31, 2017 09:32
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Al-Andalus Tujjar Alshshay have advised their elected representative, Samwyiyl al-Samivyr, to support the Taifas. Now that colonies are established in which tea can be grown from India, we must spread the tradition to the entirety of the peninsula! We will make this land a tea-drinking nation by hook or by crook! Samovar fucked around with this message at 11:36 on May 31, 2017 |
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May 31, 2017 11:33
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We have gone too far. Not only do we take instruction from dhimmi 'experts', the law now considers dhimmis to be every bit as good as proper pious Andalusians. I must change my allegiance to the Ulema and hope we can reverse this disasterous trend before the Christians who could not conquer us by force take us over from within.
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May 31, 2017 12:45
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So, has accepting those cultures meant that we can expect no further separatist revolts in those areas, or do we need to turn those captured territories into cores as well?
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May 31, 2017 13:43
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Staying with the merchants
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May 31, 2017 15:33
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I side with the Jizrunid Loyalists. The man has a 6 Milscore he's obviously divinely inspired. Also: Gonna laugh when the New World is more devoutly Islamic than us in the long run.
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May 31, 2017 15:37
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Yvonmukluk posted:So, has accepting those cultures meant that we can expect no further separatist revolts in those areas, or do we need to turn those captured territories into cores as well? Any provinces that were sieged by the rebels get ten more years of separatism. This increases unrest. The accepted cultures definitely reduces unrest however. They're still wrong religion, so that's a bit of unrest too. Without the numbers it's a bit hard to tell.
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May 31, 2017 15:39
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Captain Oblivious posted:
I could see some Ulamas disgruntled about all this tolerance going out to build their own 'city on a hill', for sure.
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May 31, 2017 15:46
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I mean that's literally what the Puritans were doing.
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May 31, 2017 16:09
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Rodyle posted:I mean that's literally what the Puritans were doing. 
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May 31, 2017 16:26
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I can never assume anymore
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May 31, 2017 17:02
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Yvonmukluk posted:So, has accepting those cultures meant that we can expect no further separatist revolts in those areas, or do we need to turn those captured territories into cores as well? Without a tolerance of heathens bonus those provinces are likely to have at least some level of unrest.
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May 31, 2017 17:09
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Mountaineer posted:Without a tolerance of heathens bonus those provinces are likely to have at least some level of unrest. I see. How do we get such a bonus? I'm guessing by sticking to League of Merchants policies, but I mean specifically.
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May 31, 2017 17:30
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Bonuses can be pretty rare. Some occasional National Ideas and government types have them, and low piety will give us a small bonus, but the only real reliable source is Humanist Ideas. The tolerance boosters in that group are strong enough that with a single idea you can eliminate all the problems with other religions/cultures unless you actively try and dick them over to cancel it out for some reason.
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May 31, 2017 17:35
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How fast we stray from God, even as the Christians grow weaker by the day. I stay with the Ulama
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May 31, 2017 19:28
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From what I remember of Wiz's Paradox Mega LPs, the various penalties for not converting the Christians now will continue in different forms well into the modern era even after we convert to Victoria II. I offered a proposal to stop the Merchants from choosing short-term profits and bandaid solutions over the long-term stability of conversion, but oh well. It's too late for the Ulama now. We are also so close to unifying all of Iberia that my urge for pretty borders translates into a firm vote for the Taifas.
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May 31, 2017 20:00
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I will join the Loyalists.
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May 31, 2017 20:41
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Accepting cultures makes no difference on the difficulty of converting, by the way. Maybe the rule of no conversions at all unless the Ulema is dominant will be a bit too punishing in the long term, until we can at least adopt humanism. But hey, the other option is to conquer a bunch of muslim land to balance out our demographics. Morocco is Andalusian clay! Frionnel fucked around with this message at 21:06 on May 31, 2017 |
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May 31, 2017 20:57
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Look, all the other LP's just haven't had enough tolerance. We will tolerate the poo poo out of our northern subjects. With machine guns, if necessary.
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May 31, 2017 21:01
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Frionnel posted:Accepting cultures makes no difference on the difficulty of converting, by the way. Maybe the rule of no conversions at all unless the Ulema is dominant will be a bit too punishing in the long term, until we can at least adopt humanism. yes it does, since we're not in the same culture groups as the Iberians. Non-accepted cultures in a different group have a -2% reduction in conversion speed. Not that this really matters, since Hashim has said that he's not going to convert accepted cultures at all. Also: I'm declaring for the Loyalists
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May 31, 2017 21:15
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The negligent attitude some members of the Majlis have taken towards the Northern Christians will only bring more hardship in time. Rather than ignoring or 'accepting' the state of their souls, these people need to be saved through the teachings of the prophet. I remain with the Ulema.
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May 31, 2017 21:23
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sheep-dodger posted:yes it does, since we're not in the same culture groups as the Iberians. Non-accepted cultures in a different group have a -2% reduction in conversion speed. Oh well, i stand corrected then.
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May 31, 2017 21:28
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Time to declare my allegiance to the Jizrunid Loyalists. The Cripple Kings will continue to lead us to glory!
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May 31, 2017 21:57
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Fourth Meeting of the Majlis, cont'd. – 26, TildeATH, Lord Cyrahzax, Dick Trauma, paragon1, Hitlers Gay Secret, Bloody Pom, Luhood, Archaeology Hat, Erwin the German, ThatBasqueGuy, Grizzwold, Snipee, Frionnel, Flavius Belisarius, everydayfalls, RZApublican, Aeromancia, Technowolf, Sampatrick, mcclay, Rodyle, Prince Orcus, catlord, Yvonmukluk, Mr_Autoshades, Samovar. – 9, Ralepozozaxe, Slaan, tunapirate, AJ_Impy, Nine of Eight, Affi, The Lone Badger, Vinny Possum, Chatrapati. – 11, GunnerJ, Talas, HiHo ChiRho, Dance Officer, Mikl, Deceitful Penguin, Yessod, Thordain, Ikasuhito, WilliamAnderson, Invader Zym. – 12, Mountaineer, Soup du Jour, Crazycryodude, Sinner Sandwich, LordGugs, Patter Song, ZearothK, Zakrelo, Captain Oblivious, Duey, sheep-dodger, Alikchi. The League of Merchants have fallen hard, and the New Taifas sweep into power. --- For more information on policies, available buildings and diplomatic actions, click here. Policy Restrictions The New Taifas can submit two policies, the League of Merchants one, the Ulema one, and the Jizrunid Loyalists one. The New Taifas are the dominant faction, so they will have no restrictions to their policies. The League of Merchants are the second-largest faction, which means colonisation will be greatly decreased (only one colonist will likely be used, so money can be diverted to the Taifas' policies.) If the Merchants wish to change colonisation focus, they still need to submit a policy about it. The Ulema are the smallest faction, so there can be no religious conversion of provinces. --- Coalitions Okay, so what are coalitions? Basically a way for smaller factions to band together and force issues through the Majlis. A coalition works when two factions agree to submit a single policy. So, for example, say the Ulema submit a policy to convert a certain province to Islam, and a bunch of Jizrunid Loyalists agree to use their vote to support it. If that policy gains the most votes from both the Ulema and the Loyalists, then it will be passed. There are no restrictions on coalition policies, no matter what factions is in power. The Ruling Faction, however, cannot form any coalitions at all. --- Buildings Shipyards and Weapons Manufactory have been unlocked, so they're are now available for policies. For more information on available buildings and their effects, click here.  --- State of Affairs Government: Reformed Taifa System (power split between the Sultan and Majlis) Ruling Faction: The New Taifas Permitted Factions: The League of Merchants, the Ulema, the Jizrunid Loyalists. Rivals: France, Italy Alliances: Tunis, Palermo, Aragon. Subjects: none Other Pacts: none Diplomatic slots: 3/5 Treasury: 310 gold Current net income: 10 gold/month --- With that, the floor is now open for policies.
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May 31, 2017 22:04
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It is ti- poo poo, just as I click reply, the new post is made. Still declaring for the Loyalists, however, defecting away from the merchants! If only in spirit, I guess.
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May 31, 2017 22:06
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Proposing Olé -- Conquer Iberia first and foremost and then take back historically Muslim lands like Corsica
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May 31, 2017 22:08
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Lynneth posted:It is ti- It's fine, you can join a faction at any time, you just can't change until the next Majlis Meeting once you've already declared for a faction.
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May 31, 2017 22:09
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TildeATH posted:
Indeed, it'll be so much easier to convert those heathens once they're fully exposed under the radiance of Islamic rule.
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May 31, 2017 22:10
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TildeATH posted:
I support this. It's time to secure Iberia. How can we spread to other lands if we can't even master our own?
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May 31, 2017 22:11
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Proposing the New World Diplomacy Act: Form the best possible beneficial diplomatic relationship* with one of the mainland native empires west of our island colonies. We'll need their help to deal with the rest of the native empires and then I guess the Ulema can go try to convert them, why not. *Not a EU4 player so idk whether an alliance or a trade partnership or whatever would be the best fit for this.
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May 31, 2017 22:12
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TildeATH posted:
I support this. I'm willing to bet that Corsica has already been converted back to Christianity, but I want to see us humiliate France.
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May 31, 2017 22:15
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 I, Ralepozozaxe, The Dalai Ullama, Propose the Brothers in Arm(enian)s Act. We should improve relations with the Armenians, get a royal marriage with them, ally them, and help them, whether with troops or moolah in any wars against the Crusaders of Egypt. For too long have the crusaders plagued the holy land, and now the Armenians are proving strong enough to kick them out. With our help, we cant rid the Levant and Egypt of these pests. Also, i'm sad to say that my relative, a member of the Dhimmi, has been freed from their tomb do to our tolerance. I hope you are all happy.  AT LAST, I AM FREE!
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May 31, 2017 22:17
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Proposing the Northern Colonization Effort: Our islands are a good stepping stone to change the colonization focus to the greater lands in the north. The south of the continent is too sparsely inhabited for Islam to really take root... and for people to buy our stuff. And all that with the added bonus of eventually blocking the Celts or any other European power. Some virgin lands or florid shores await us!
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May 31, 2017 22:26
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I want to propose that we build a bunch of Regimental Camps and Barracks for the New Taifas' second policy, but I'm not sure where to suggest they be built/where they've already been built. Thoughts? Also is there a limit to how many things can be built in a province?
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May 31, 2017 22:28
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There's a limited number of building slots in a province, with the base value being 2 modified by terrain (extra slots for friendly terrain like farm/grasslands, fewer slots for arctic climates). Every 10 development also adds another building slot to the province. Most of our provinces can probably fit anywhere between 2 and 4 buildings at this point in the game, because development is relatively low and the terrain throughout most of our territory is neutral or +1. Crazycryodude fucked around with this message at 22:40 on May 31, 2017 |
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May 31, 2017 22:34
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Hey Hashim, what is the diplomatic situation of the Morocco and the natives of Mexico? I feel like our second policy could be an easy war against the Maya. Also, those new Coalition rules are interesting, i suggest the Ulama take notice of them. Frionnel fucked around with this message at 23:02 on May 31, 2017 |
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May 31, 2017 22:58
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Frionnel posted:Hey Hashim, what is the diplomatic situation of the Morocco and the natives of Mexico? I feel like our second policy could be an easy war against the Maya. Morocco is allied with Palermo and Mossi, an African power. I should add that it's not impossible to re-ally Morocco right now, if the Majlis so wishes it, it can be done with a few gifts and improved relations. As for the New World, this is what it looks like right now:  I don't think any of them is allied to one another, but we don't have a casus belli on them yet, so it'll be very difficult to actually go to war with them.
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May 31, 2017 23:08
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No CB best CB  Well, i'm not all too happy with Morocco taking land in the Caribbean, but i bet other people will want that alliance back.
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Frionnel posted:No CB best CB On the other hand, gently caress Morocco get out of our islands. They've not been the best ally in the past anyway honestly. I'm genuinely curious where we're going next in the New World. Where does the lion share of our attention go? North America or South?
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