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Noxville posted:May would not have made nearly so many mistakes because Hilary Benn or any of the other Labour right would have put her under no pressure and agreed with most of the Tory manifesto. I'd argue that May has really gone out of her way to put herself under pressure in this situation. It was her election to lose in every sense of the phrase. And if you believe what Corbyn has been saying recently, the Labour manifesto was created democratically and on consultation and has little of his own actual opinions in it. Baron Corbyn posted:Arguing about other leaders and if they could have beaten May is irrelevant cos she wouldn't have called an election if Labour weren't 20% behind. Corbyn was so bad it was good?
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Oberleutnant posted:Honestly can't recall. All I remember is Pigfucker threatening not to turn up, some suggestion of doing the old HIGNFY gag of putting a tub of lard on his podium, his eventual caving, and then Farage gobbing off about an imaginary flood of HIV infected refugees for former Communist countries, drawing gasps of horror from the audience. He also accused the crowd of being left-wing plants that were evidence of the BBC left wing bias (despite the BBC having nothing to do with the audience selection)
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May 31, 2017 16:17
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Rakosi posted:I think a Hilary Benn lead Labour would have beaten May in this election, or at least polled higher that Corbyn. Can you just imagine how insipid & uninspirational & bland the platform this election would be fought on when it was put together by Hilary Benn? Jesus.
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May 31, 2017 16:18
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Rakosi posted:Corbyn was so bad it was good? That remains to be seen. A Tory government until 2020 is preferable to a Tory government until 2022.
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May 31, 2017 16:21
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May 31, 2017 16:21
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I'm not sure I'm totally on board with him replacing Thornberry, she's been on fire. There's no real angles to attack her from and she's getting great at putting tories in their place. Rakosi posted:
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May 31, 2017 16:22
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Strom Cuzewon posted:He also accused the crowd of being left-wing plants that were evidence of the BBC left wing bias (despite the BBC having nothing to do with the audience selection) Ah yes, I'd forgotten that. I look back on those simpler, more innocent times with nostalgia. Zephro posted:Boris will be PM by the middle of June because that would keep us on the darkest timeline
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May 31, 2017 16:23
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I think the natural outcome of this is a National Government with BoJo as PM, Jezza as deputy PM and Theresa May being deported to the Falklands
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Spangly A posted:I'm not sure I'm totally on board with him replacing Thornberry, she's been on fire. There's no real angles to attack her from and she's getting great at putting tories in their place. none of that will matter as much as the terrible optics for the Tories of May being the only one too scared to show.
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Rakosi posted:I'd argue that May has really gone out of her way to put herself under pressure in this situation. It was her election to lose in every sense of the phrase. And if you believe what Corbyn has been saying recently, the Labour manifesto was created democratically and on consultation and has little of his own actual opinions in it. it was largely written by andrew fisher, a corbyn aid with compromises made to the labour right like adding the poo poo about immigrants driving wages down and not renationalising the nhs. the worst bits in the manifesto would be the manifesto under benn, or any other of the no hoper centrists. there would be none of the enthusiasm around it, just like there wasn't in 2015. the narrative would be entirely set and dominated by the tories again.
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May 31, 2017 16:26
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It is utterly inexcusable for May not to appear on that debate stage. If you haven't at least got the courage of your convictions then you are not suitable to be PM.
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Spangly A posted:I'm not sure I'm totally on board with him replacing Thornberry, she's been on fire. There's no real angles to attack her from and she's getting great at putting tories in their place. Thornberry doesn't get you this headline on the bloody Telegraph 
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Macarius Wrench posted:As an aside I hate it when people call gambling the gaming industry. That's for videogames! It's what the industry calls itself, as 'gambling industry' has (entirely correctly) a negative stigma. I also worked in the computer games industry which is at least only terrible to the people working in it.
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May 31, 2017 16:29
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VileLL posted:i'm remembering leadsom and having a little chuckle here Dear god could you imagine Leadsom in May's position at the moment. What was amusing about the Tory leader selection was just how identically loving toxic they all were, and that May only got the job, because she was the last one standing.
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https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/869928690515365888 good performance from corbs tonight and labour could take the lead on the %
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Pesky Splinter posted:Dear god could you imagine Leadsom in May's position at the moment. What was amusing about the Tory leader selection was just how identically loving toxic they all were, and that May only got the job, because she was the last one standing. I'm cracking up at the thought of Leadsom going campaigning with Ruth Davidson and making some sort of remark about how "she's a lovely woman, shame she can never be a proper mother because she's queer" or something like that
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dispatch_async posted:She has said she will be busy doing a brexit: Funnily enough I first saw this clip without sound and my reaction was "Holy poo poo she's Gordon Brown-ing". With the audio it's so, so much worse.
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May 31, 2017 16:36
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peanut- posted:Thornberry doesn't get you this headline on the bloody Telegraph Best part about this is that it's premium only and the picture has her looking scared.
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thehappyprince posted:https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/869928690515365888 lmao at UKIP's range being literally 0.
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May 31, 2017 16:36
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Rakosi posted:I think a Hilary Benn lead Labour would have beaten May in this election, or at least polled higher that Corbyn. Hilary Benn is full of poo poo.
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I gotta say looking at that graph seriously gently caress the SNP they've completely delivered Britain to the tories, like what the gently caress chances does labour have if the best they can ever hope for is to lose not so badly to the Tories? it's like they lost a leg to Scotland.
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Al-Saqr posted:I gotta say looking at that graph seriously gently caress the SNP they've completely delivered Britain to the tories, like what the gently caress chances does labour have if the best they can ever hope for is to lose not so badly to the Tories? Regardless of any posturing for the press that Corbyn or Sturgeon say regarding any coalition or agreement, if either party has the opportunity to work with the other to stop the Tories forming a government then they will. For the SNP, it would go against their own rhetoric to let the Tories in, even if it meant somewhat legitimising the Labour party again. For Labour/Corbyn, regardless of personal opinion on where the SNP lie as a progressive party vs. the rhetoric, they can't afford to lose a chance to enact some real left wing policies.
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Zephro posted:Boris will be PM by the middle of June because that would keep us on the darkest timeline
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I did not expect to be enjoying this election so much. Come on Corbs. Hold your poo poo together for tonight's debate. We're so close to being in with a realistic chance here.
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Al-Saqr posted:I gotta say looking at that graph seriously gently caress the SNP they've completely delivered Britain to the tories, like what the gently caress chances does labour have if the best they can ever hope for is to lose not so badly to the Tories? The main reason that the SNP are doing so well are that Scottish Labour are useless neoliberal wankers, plus it just so happened that the Lib Dems committed electoral seppuku at the exact same moment. Getting ScotLab on board with the rest of the party will be one of the big tasks for Labour after this election.
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Al-Saqr posted:I gotta say looking at that graph seriously gently caress the SNP they've completely delivered Britain to the tories, like what the gently caress chances does labour have if the best they can ever hope for is to lose not so badly to the Tories? it's like they lost a leg to Scotland. The SNP's seats are for many (but not all!) practical purposes Labour seats. The SNP can't afford to ever help the Tories even with a confidence and supply arrangement because it would obliterate their support in Scotland at a stroke. Of course, their (necessary) support for Labour govt is used as a stick to beat Labour with, but more than anythig the rise of the SNP is Labour's fault for taking the Scottish vote utterly for granted for so long.
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Al-Saqr posted:I gotta say looking at that graph seriously gently caress the SNP they've completely delivered Britain to the tories, like what the gently caress chances does labour have if the best they can ever hope for is to lose not so badly to the Tories? it's like they lost a leg to Scotland. Maybe England should stop overwhelmingly voting for the Tories, then.
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Gyro Zeppeli posted:Maybe England should stop overwhelmingly voting for the Tories, then. STRONG AND STABLE 
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Jose posted:who the gently caress even is there to replace her if they get rid? 
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Lord of the Llamas posted:I did not expect to be enjoying this election so much. Yeah seriously when kommando told me May had seriously called an election I was mortified, now... now I'm starting to allow myself to be crushed come the end of next week. Guav please name next month's thread "UKMT June 2017 - May's Finished"
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Gyro Zeppeli posted:Maybe England should stop overwhelmingly voting for the Tories, then. Part of the Tory's appeal for some voters is their resistance to Scottish independence. Ironically I think a less successful SNP would lose the Tories some votes. When Corbyn says he will discuss the issue with the SNP, I do hope he is just placating dumb nationalists.
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Firos posted:http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/james-picks-arguments-tory-strength-economy/ Oberleutnant posted:STRONG AND STABLE Found you Elizabeth
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Tesseraction posted:He said his intention of talking was to talk them down from the ledge, so to speak. The whole point of their party is independence. That's like talking UKIP down from being racist.
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Lord of the Llamas posted:Hilary Benn is full of poo poo.
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Rakosi posted:The whole point of their party is independence. That's like talking UKIP down from being racist. Independence doesn't have to be hard break-up. The idea of full federalisation is acceptable to many, as I recall. Little difference for the average citizen but greater self-determination in terms of government.
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