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I don't really care who wins, give me skulls for the skull throne.
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May 29, 2017 03:18
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bunnyofdoom posted:Oh gently caress. Ghazkull vs Angron? Gimme a Ghazkull win please. Trick question, the answer is Yarrick. A 90 year old man without juvenat treatments versus the second coming of The Beast and Anger Management.
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May 29, 2017 03:20
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Ok fine yes Yarrick winning would be good.
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bunnyofdoom posted:Ok fine yes Yarrick winning would be good. Double-trick question: Ghazzy respects Yarrick so much that he puts aside their rivalry for long enough to dickpunch Angron back into the Warp as a team.
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May 29, 2017 03:41
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bunnyofdoom posted:Oh gently caress. Ghazkull vs Angron? Gimme a Ghazkull win please. Last time the orcs won they retconned it so hard the setting stopped existing.
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May 29, 2017 04:44
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Arcsquad12 posted:Double-trick question: Ghazzy respects Yarrick so much that he puts aside their rivalry for long enough to dickpunch Angron back into the Warp as a team. This would be the best thing ever. Ghazkull & Yarrick dream-team forever 
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MariusLecter posted:All I really want is Gav Thorpe to have a new book FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU UUUUUUUUUUUU UUUUUUU UUCK you!
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Waroduce posted:Emperor's Gift had alot of cool potential and ideas and was ruined by GW forcing the inclusion of a bunch of new models and bullshit Is that really the case, though? The story does feel like two books got squeezed into one, but it's not a parade of new merch. No Jokaero, no Psyrifle dreads, no big GK mech-walker (I think it wasn't out then but might well have been in planning and included in lore). The core of the plot is basically a 5-squad of Knights and their Inquisitor handler.
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May 29, 2017 15:31
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Yeah there was an article about him being forced to include like 5 pages about a new dropahip and some some other poo poo. I don't play tabletop so I don't really know but it was discussed and mentioned here
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May 29, 2017 16:36
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Sephyr posted:Is that really the case, though? The story does feel like two books got squeezed into one, but it's not a parade of new merch. No Jokaero, no Psyrifle dreads, no big GK mech-walker (I think it wasn't out then but might well have been in planning and included in lore). The core of the plot is basically a 5-squad of Knights and their Inquisitor handler. I just googled those and what in the everloving gently caress?
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May 29, 2017 18:06
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Please do not Jokaero shame, this is a safe space
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Duzzy Funlop posted:I just googled those and what in the everloving gently caress? Idk I just assumed dude is plugged into tabletop I don't follow any of that poo poo. ADB says in the literal opening of the book he was halfway done writing it and had to rewrite cause the grey knights codex dropped in the middle and than like through the grapevine it also came out he had to include stuff about new models. I specifically remember a dropship and the description of said dropship going on for like a page. Also I don't think jokero are a thing anymo
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Space orangutan mechanics are amazing though. The idea that the greatest, best equipped daemon killers in the galaxy get their tech from retarded cyborg apes is hilarious.
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Also Jokaero have been there since basically forever. I'm pretty sure they're a Rogue Trader era race that sort of got ignored for ages.
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Waroduce posted:Idk I just assumed dude is plugged into tabletop I don't follow any of that poo poo. Not only are Jokaero a thing, you can field an entire army that is just them and an Inquisitor. You'll lose, but your army of monkey-slaves will live forever in the tales of your foes. Because they've all got Lascannons/Heavy Flamers/Multi-meltas simultaneously, so they're going to blow-up a ton of stuff on their way out.
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Relevant Tangent posted:Not only are Jokaero a thing, you can field an entire army that is just them and an Inquisitor. You'll lose, but your army of monkey-slaves will live forever in the tales of your foes. Because they've all got Lascannons/Heavy Flamers/Multi-meltas simultaneously, so they're going to blow-up a ton of stuff on their way out. Can confirm. It was great. Then the orks got into melee
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Relevant Tangent posted:Not only are Jokaero a thing, you can field an entire army that is just them and an Inquisitor. You'll lose, but your army of monkey-slaves will live forever in the tales of your foes. Because they've all got Lascannons/Heavy Flamers/Multi-meltas simultaneously, so they're going to blow-up a ton of stuff on their way out. It's posts like these that make me want to get into the tabletop game, but then I remember I shouldn't do that.
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Waroduce posted:ADB says in the literal opening of the book he was halfway done writing it and had to rewrite cause the grey knights codex dropped in the middle and than like through the grapevine it also came out he had to include stuff about new models. I specifically remember a dropship and the description of said dropship going on for like a page. Pretty sure I remember hearing somewhere that ADB didn't even include most of the new GK stuff out of sheer spite. Emperor's Gift is one of two Marine Bolter Porn books I've bothered read (the other one being Brotherhood of the Snake) because I find marine fiction really boring but EG still pleasantly surprised me and still a book I can generally recommend.
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I wouldn't even consider it bolter porn given how a core of the book is the Wolves telling everyone to gently caress off.
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Emperor's Gift was kinda weird imo. The main character is a bit of a antisocial fuckup who doesn't work well with others and gets his mate killed. Although he's individually skilled and destroys Angron's sword which is a big deal, in the end he gets transferred to what is basically a desk job. The book paints a pretty bleak picture of what the Grey Knights do with the internal politicking from the captain to them erradicating the Armageddon survivors. They get continually outmatched by the Space Wolves, including Grimnar killing their Captain in front of a whole bunch of Grey Knights and then walking away from it in the end. One detail I liked a lot though was towards the end when the inquisitor asks him if Grey Knights are incorruptible because they're made to be or because they're just much better and purer than everyone else. The answer is that noone knows
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Cooked Auto posted:Pretty sure I remember hearing somewhere that ADB didn't even include most of the new GK stuff out of sheer spite. Do helsreach if you haven't
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Syncopated posted:Emperor's Gift was kinda weird imo. The main character is a bit of a antisocial fuckup who doesn't work well with others and gets his mate killed. Although he's individually skilled and destroys Angron's sword which is a big deal, in the end he gets transferred to what is basically a desk job. The book paints a pretty bleak picture of what the Grey Knights do with the internal politicking from the captain to them erradicating the Armageddon survivors. They get continually outmatched by the Space Wolves, including Grimnar killing their Captain in front of a whole bunch of Grey Knights and then walking away from it in the end. One detail I liked a lot though was towards the end when the inquisitor asks him if Grey Knights are incorruptible because they're made to be or because they're just much better and purer than everyone else. The answer is that noone knows Reading the Ravenor Trilogy before EG made me more invested in the story than if I had read it without that context. EG is also so much different than Ben Counter's GK trilogy, as I read it after the first book of the omnibus. The other two books in the series worked much better than the first, with the third being my favorite since it's basically Gladiator in the WH40k universe.
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Moose_Knuck posted:Does anybody have any book recommendations for plots that involve the Cognitae? Prospero Burns reminded me that they were actually a thing. Shouldn't they have a more prominent role in the universe given their mission statement? From last page, but they're also the villains in Pariah, along with possibly the Ecclesiarchy, the Word Bearers, the Emperor's Children, and Eisenhorn. Actually I think the Cognitae are in all of Abnett's stuff except for the original Eisenhorn trilogy. They're the biggest, oldest, and most well-infiltrated cult in the galaxy.
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wiegieman posted:From last page, but they're also the villains in Pariah, along with possibly the Ecclesiarchy, the Word Bearers, the Emperor's Children, and Eisenhorn. It's pretty cool that Abnett tries to squeeze them in, but it's only Abnett. For being the oldest cult with the loftiest goals, they are the most untapped storytelling resource in the 40k universe. Molotch was a fairly interesting villain, and he was your run-of-the-mill Cognitae guy, right? There is unlimited potential for 40k fuckery with a bunch of Molotchs across the galaxy.
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Are there any BL stories that deal with the Severan Dominate? They're the only extra-imperial human nation that hasn't met an inevitable annihilation. Yet.
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I've been reading omnibus editions of Horus Hersey straight though, and I'd recommend against that. The quality difference between books makes it painful to read one after the other. Reading Fulgrim then Angel Exterminatus makes AE a slog, which could stand to be about 75 pages shorter. The fact it includes the Iron Warriors and the Iron Hands with each having a dreadnought, Berossus or Bombastus doesn't do it any favors on the readability front. As a bonus gently caress You, the omnibus editor tagged on a short story immediately after Angel Exterminatus that undoes a character's death. Pretty lame to resurrect a dead guy within 30 physical pages, but I guess Lucious has fans despite him turning into a one trick pony, now with plot armor! DARPA fucked around with this message at 20:12 on May 31, 2017 |
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Yeah, just book reading for me. I really dislike him as a character, at this point, so the idea that he keeps coming back is a bit disheartening. He wasn't so bad when he was a foil for goody two shoes Tarvitz, but now he's simply one dimensional. He likes 1) new sensations of pain 2) proving he's the best with a sword 3) nothing else. I get it. I don't see why that has to be brought up every time he enters a scene. Even when it's dudes just standing around casually chatting about their weekend, the author brings up how Lucious thinks he could shish kabob everyone in the room.
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He's Slaanesh's chosen champion in the 41st mellenium. So he's just one of those characters that kinda gets a lot of attention when he's around in the HH books.
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Thanks to that Helsreach youtube thing I linked earlier, I acquired some 40k audiobooks for a recent road trip. Never listened to an audiobook before, so it was pretty interesting to see how different it was from normal reading. Helsreach, The First Heretic and Aurelian were all great, enjoyed the hell out of them. Then I hit Know No Fear and thought "you tedious Ultramarine nerds, you deserve what's coming to you" after a few chapters. I think all the details in Abnett's writing came across fine in print, but having it all read out loud made it feel like it dragged a ton.
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AndyElusive posted:He's Slaanesh's chosen champion in the 41st mellenium. So he's just one of those characters that kinda gets a lot of attention when he's around in the HH books. And can't be killed off for good. Likewise, we know Kharn will be killed at the Siege of Terra only to come back.
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The person who killed you having any emotional reaction to killing you makes them turn into you is a really cool super power.
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MariusLecter posted:The person who killed you having any emotional reaction to killing you makes them turn into you is a really cool super power. Except if I remember correctly GW keeps moving the goal post with the extent on how his power works and it has gone from being proud or whatever that you killed him to basically going "Okay he's dead next one" being enough to doom you which is dumb as gently caress. One is a clever way to tie in the emotional and excess aspects of Slaneesh, the other is a lovely way to keep a character alive. Telsa Cola fucked around with this message at 06:12 on Jun 1, 2017 |
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Arcsquad12 posted:Are there any BL stories that deal with the Severan Dominate? They're the only extra-imperial human nation that hasn't met an inevitable annihilation. Yet. Maybe there's something you haven't read among the references for this giant essay of a wiki page http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Severan_Dominate
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Arcsquad12 posted:Are there any BL stories that deal with the Severan Dominate? They're the only extra-imperial human nation that hasn't met an inevitable annihilation. Yet. No, it's just a setting for a Fantasy Flight RPG module, it has nothing to do with Black Library.
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Dodoman posted:Maybe there's something you haven't read among the references for this giant essay of a wiki page Are they trying to top Wookieepedia for longest article without editing ever? Christ, I know lexicanum gets poo poo for just copy pasting codex entries but at least they're short and to the point
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