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little munchkin posted:*glances at boner confessor's posts and frowns* Most of our posts are funny.
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I feel like "It happens so it's fine" is not a position you should take in the thread devoted to making fun of people for being egotistical internet nazis.
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May 31, 2017 19:01
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boner confessor posted:it makes him look like a big fat pansy bawwwing about the sudden realization that his decisions in life have consequences he has to deal with That's all that this comes down too. Dude did thing without thinking, upset at result. Should what he did qualify as a crime? Hmm, maybe. Maybe not. But that's not what y'all're arguing about.
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May 31, 2017 19:03
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boner confessor posted:lot of people struggling with understanding and accepting reality itt today Your problem is that you take the poo poo I say too literally and as you made it quite clear, your need for consistency goes against common sense. The truth is that you have to treat these scenarios differently despite them having a few similarities. Of course most jokes are hurtful in some way. But to me, it seems like you are reaching when you compare a joke that is detrimental to a kid to a video that is controversial (and quite silly) to viewers but harmless to the owner of the dog. Midig fucked around with this message at 19:06 on May 31, 2017 |
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May 31, 2017 19:03
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Midig posted:Of course most jokes are hurtful in some way. No, they're really not. You have a very strange concept of comedy
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May 31, 2017 19:07
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Midig posted:Your problem is that you take the poo poo I say too literally and as you made it quite clear, your need for consistency goes against common sense. The truth is that you have to treat these scenarios differently despite them having a few similarities. Of course most jokes are hurtful in some way. But to me, it seems like you are reaching when you compare a joke that is detrimental to a kid to a video that is controversial to viewers but harmless to the owner of the dog. i'm not talking about the joke necessarily, but when you can apply the "i'm pranking you" defense to excuse illegal or immoral behavior. screaming dad does and did explain his emotional abuse and horrific parenting by claiming he was just joking, because he is literally mentally ill and the product of childhood abuse himself. he is not a good judge of what is a prank and what is not, because to him it is normal to scream at children until they develop personality disorders. do we have to take him at face value, like nazi pug man, or are we capable of overriding their claim and pointing out that their behavior is not a joke? if as you have claimed the nazi pug man was just joking and therefore shouldn't be punished for violating hate speech laws - and you did make this exact claim, by saying we can't judge others by our own subjective criteria - then why shouldn't screaming dad's behavior be accepted as a joke instead of child abuse? is it just because you're less comfortable with child abuse than teaching a dog hate speech? if so, why do your emotions matter more than others here who feel like teaching a dog hate speech is not ok? OwlFancier posted:You've said something many times in very plain english but I'm not sure if it's conveying the meaning you want it to. that's fine. you may not be sure what it means, but i am sure. please stop quoting me boner confessor fucked around with this message at 19:12 on May 31, 2017 |
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May 31, 2017 19:08
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boner confessor posted:only quoting you to let you know i've seen your post and chosen to ignore it because you have absolutely no idea what i'm arguing here despite me saying it multiple times in very plain english You've said something many times in very plain english but I'm not sure if it's conveying the meaning you want it to.
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May 31, 2017 19:09
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Midig posted:Of course most jokes are hurtful in some way. I love when you Kramer into the thread to defend Nazis because you wind up saying some really dumb poo poo like this.
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May 31, 2017 19:14
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boner confessor posted:
i agree that the guy is an idiot who makes bad decisions, but you just seem very obsessed with his appearance (or proud of your very funny take on it) which doesn't really matter. i don't think you can claim to know why anybody decides to express their appearance the way they do either. you sound like a 50s dad. maybe i just live in a place where nobody cares (very left-leaning part of the UK) but i've never had a problems in my field looking the way i do. unless you have a very public/client-facing job who the gently caress cares what you look like. getting some piercings isn't going to necessarily make you unemployable immediately.
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May 31, 2017 19:16
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Who What Now posted:I love when you Kramer into the thread to defend Nazis because you wind up saying some really dumb poo poo like this. I prefer it when you try to explain why I am wrong. If you keep this up I might be able to kill you by throwing some salt.
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May 31, 2017 19:24
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Lovechop posted:maybe i just live in a place where nobody cares (very left-leaning part of the UK) but i've never had a problems in my field looking the way i do. unless you have a very public/client-facing job who the gently caress cares what you look like. getting some piercings isn't going to necessarily make you unemployable immediately. damaging employment potential isn't the same as unemployable. most of the people i know with faddish piercings or superfluous holes above the neck remove them as they grow, mature, and try to set out on their careers. the only people i know who still have them are content to be approaching middle age while working in low effort low pay jobs in head shops or call centers. it's an ugly thing, but society generally has grooming standards which signal to others "i am a capable, sane human individual" and part of the appeal of ear plugs, septum piercings, or other body mods is that you get to playfully cross this line in a way which doesn't make you seem disgusting the way not bathing would, or having rotten teeth. maybe as more people age this will change but currently having unorthodox piercings on the visible portions of your face make a statement about one's acceptance of western society's rules, and this impacts your employment potential whether you like it or not in the context of this ongoing conscious decision on the part of nazi pug man to maintain the appearance of a young adult placing himself at odds with society's norms, it is amusing to me that he would claim to be concerned about his ability to find and hold a job as a consequence of uploading videos of himself chanting hate speech at an animal Lovechop posted:you just seem very obsessed with his appearance (or proud of your very funny take on it)  i'm only responding to the people who keep quoting me, i'm no more obsessed with it than you are
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May 31, 2017 19:24
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Midig posted:I prefer it when you try to explain why I am wrong. I would have thought it was obvious that I was implying most jokes aren't hurtful, but once again I overestimated you. quote:If you keep this up I might be able to kill you by throwing some salt. Do... do you think I'm a vampire?
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May 31, 2017 19:26
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Who What Now posted:I would have thought it was obvious that I was implying most jokes aren't hurtful, but once again I overestimated you. Ok. Just explain to me what you think a hurtful joke is to see if we are on the same page. BTW I did not bring a chart. But stand-up comedians tend to bring up subjects that might offend people all the time. The word joke might have been a bit broad, but puns are out of the selection and so are jokes that are cool to share at work.
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May 31, 2017 19:30
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Who What Now posted:Do... do you think I'm a vampire? That's also not how you kill vampires. Distract them maybe, in some traditions. But not kill them.
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May 31, 2017 19:31
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Midig posted:Ok. Just explain to me what you think a hurtful joke is to see if we are on the same page. BTW I did not bring a chart. But stand-up comedians tend to bring up subjects that might offend people all the time. without getting into the "what is comedy" derail stand up comedians are also generally good at defusing or mitigating the offense of their humor. part of being a good comedian is saying offensive things in a way which doesn't offend people, or at least as few people as possible. that's why they are professional joke tellers instead of just people who uncomfortably repeat filthy jokes around a water cooler, since it's pretty easy for any human to come up with and verbalize an amusing statement. shock comics generally dont have much success on their career trajectory, and it's the kind of thing that can utterly destroy your career if you gently caress it up here is an american comedian with a promising career, on a comedy stage, with a comedy microphone, delivering what people widely regarded as hate speech. his career is totally shot clean dead. why can't he claim the "i was joking" defense? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoLPLsQbdt0 boner confessor fucked around with this message at 19:35 on May 31, 2017 |
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May 31, 2017 19:32
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Midig posted:Ok. Just explain to me what you think a hurtful joke is to see if we are on the same page. BTW I did not bring a chart. But stand-up comedians tend to bring up subjects that might offend people all the time. The word joke might have been a bit broad, but puns are out of the selection and so are jokes that are cool to share at work. Well no poo poo if youre only willing to consider offensive jokes to be valid then the only valid jokes are offensive. Great job making a tautology, genius.
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May 31, 2017 19:33
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Who What Now posted:I would have thought it was obvious that I was implying most jokes aren't hurtful, but once again I overestimated you. Or a slug?
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May 31, 2017 19:33
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Midig posted:The word joke might have been a bit broad, but puns are out of the selection and so are jokes that are cool to share at work. So....you're going to just straight up disqualify any joke that's not hurtful.
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May 31, 2017 19:33
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boner confessor posted:the only people i know who still have them are content to be approaching middle age while working in low effort low pay jobs in head shops or call centers. this isn't true for myself, or a fair few other people i know, but i think we've got some very different experiences here so i'll agree to disagree on this one.
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May 31, 2017 19:34
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Lovechop posted:this isn't true for myself, or a fair few other people i know, but i think we've got some very different experiences here so i'll agree to disagree on this one. i say this with no offense or insult implied, but if you're a young adult in your 20's you don't really have to worry about the kinds of jobs that having facial peircings would disqualify you for. but once you cross that line into your thirties you start to be very concerned about not working at the chip shop forever and maybe cleaning up your act a bit
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May 31, 2017 19:36
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WrenP-Complete posted:Or a slug? Slugs can't post on the internet, though. Maybe he thinks I'm a witch from Hocus Pocus?
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May 31, 2017 19:37
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Who What Now posted:Well no poo poo if youre only willing to consider offensive jokes to be valid then the only valid jokes are offensive. Great job making a tautology, genius. No, I left out jokes around the water cooler because no one would engage in those conversations if they had any real choice.
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May 31, 2017 19:37
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Who What Now posted:Slugs can't post on the internet, though. Maybe he thinks I'm a witch from Hocus Pocus? Slugs, indicating sliminess.
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May 31, 2017 19:38
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boner confessor posted:i say this with no offense or insult implied, but if you're a young adult in your 20's you don't really have to worry about the kinds of jobs that having facial peircings would disqualify you for. but once you cross that line into your thirties you start to be very concerned about not working at the chip shop forever and maybe cleaning up your act a bit Still not doing very well on that whole "there's something wrong with people who look odd" thing bud. Also not doing very well on the whole classism thing in general tbh.
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May 31, 2017 19:39
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boner confessor posted:i say this with no offense or insult implied, but if you're a young adult in your 20's you don't really have to worry about the kinds of jobs that having facial peircings would disqualify you for. but once you cross that line into your thirties you start to be very concerned about not working at the chip shop forever and maybe cleaning up your act a bit just to clarify my experience, i'm almost 30 and have a senior position at a job where i'm responsible for leading a team. definitely don't work at a chip shop. do have visible piercings and tattoos but i'm very good at what i do, so it's not a problem for me. if we're talking about more unskilled work i would of course agree with you though.
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May 31, 2017 19:41
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boner confessor posted:without getting into the "what is comedy" derail stand up comedians are also generally good at defusing or mitigating the offense of their humor. part of being a good comedian is saying offensive things in a way which doesn't offend people, or at least as few people as possible. that's why they are professional joke tellers instead of just people who uncomfortably repeat filthy jokes around a water cooler, since it's pretty easy for any human to come up with and verbalize an amusing statement. shock comics generally dont have much success on their career trajectory, and it's the kind of thing that can utterly destroy your career if you gently caress it up Well, with this example I see your point with more clarity. Even if you argue that he was joking he was being overtly racist in a way that would make anyone uncomfortable. I get it. I think a lot of other points were made with the pug and abusive dad example and we were sort of talking past each other. Midig fucked around with this message at 19:47 on May 31, 2017 |
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May 31, 2017 19:44
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Does anyone actually have the legal complaint in question?
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May 31, 2017 19:44
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Midig posted:No, I left out jokes around the water cooler because Hey, I made your post more honest. No need to thank me, it was my pleasure!
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May 31, 2017 19:44
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Lovechop posted:just to clarify my experience, i'm almost 30 and have a senior position at a job where i'm responsible for leading a team. definitely don't work at a chip shop. do have visible piercings and tattoos but i'm very good at what i do, so it's not a problem for me. if we're talking about more unskilled work i would of course agree with you though. My partner and sister-in-law both have visible tattoos, are in their 30s, and have white collar "respectable" jobs for the government/contracting. I think it depends on the field, I can't imagine going on interviews with visible tattoos.
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May 31, 2017 19:46
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Lovechop posted:this isn't true for myself, or a fair few other people i know, but i think we've got some very different experiences here so i'll agree to disagree on this one. I don't think boner is making the point right, but I see the argument as basically being: People frivolously putting themselves into an identity at odds with a large portion of society by design, only to later lament these choices and instead of fixing the cause of the problem they rail against the consequence. In the piercing example it comes down to kids wanting to rebel against society's ideas of acceptable presentation, only to then realize that for a lot of jobs you can't look like a bad 90s comic character. And instead of just removing the piercings or accepting that it's going to cost money to remove tattoos/reconstruct body mods, they rail against people not liking their choice of aesthetics. Which, granted, might be a fine thing to push back against so it's not the best example. But you can apply it to things like being an alt-right ( or white supremacist or Nazi) as well. These people choose to be a part of a group that seeks to offend and attack large portions of society, and then once society says "yep, enough of that then" and pushes back via getting fired, being charged with an offense, etc they just don't want the consequence. At the same time though, the alt-right example works better because the explicit goal of their ideology in many cases is to offend. Like what the gently caress is the point of using a slur, or directly invoking Nazi imagery at a Jew person, or as they explicitly state time and again, trying to trigger snowflakes, if not to get a bad reaction from people. The consequence that they rail against here is that people do not like them, do not want to associate with them, and do not want to give them a platform to continue harassing others AND WELL NO poo poo! That was your goal! All they really want is a small, politically impotent group that they have carte blanche permission to attack.
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May 31, 2017 19:48
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Who What Now posted:Hey, I made your post more honest. No need to thank me, it was my pleasure! You think I'm being dishonest or do you personally enjoy conversations with a combination of a contrived and muffled environment?
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May 31, 2017 19:49
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Maybe some people just like beards and piercings, guys. Maybe that's a possibility, you bunch of old granddads.
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May 31, 2017 19:50
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Discendo Vox posted:Does anyone actually have the legal complaint in question? Which one?
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May 31, 2017 19:50
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WrenP-Complete posted:My partner and sister-in-law both have visible tattoos, are in their 30s, and have white collar "respectable" jobs for the government/contracting. I think it depends on the field, I can't imagine going on interviews with visible tattoos. There's also a difference between having visible tattoos in work attire and, well, something like this:  If you're going to go with something like that...well you're just going to have to be that much better of a candidate for a given job.
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May 31, 2017 19:51
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Midig posted:You think I'm being dishonest or do you personally enjoy conversations with a combination of a contrived and muffled environment? Both, actually but mostly the former. You're intentionally going out of your way to eliminate all non-offensive jokes so that you don't have to admit you can be funny without denigrating or attacking somebody. What else should I do except see that as dishonest?
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May 31, 2017 19:53
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WrenP-Complete posted:Which one? puglad. I think we've wandered into another PDP-style derail where a group of posters are arguing about something without reading about it.
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May 31, 2017 19:56
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Who What Now posted:Both, actually but mostly the former. You're intentionally going out of your way to eliminate all non-offensive jokes so that you don't have to admit you can be funny without denigrating or attacking somebody. What else should I do except see that as dishonest? Well, not necessarily attacking someone. But dealing with difficult subjects.
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May 31, 2017 20:01
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Discendo Vox posted:puglad. I think we've wandered into another PDP-style derail where a group of posters are arguing about something without reading about it. According to the Daily Mail they are looking at this as an offense under The Communications Act of 2003 Dunno which part, I'm scrolling through now to see if anything jumps out.
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May 31, 2017 20:02
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Discendo Vox posted:puglad. I think we've wandered into another PDP-style derail where a group of posters are arguing about something without reading about it. Has he been charged yet? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/09/nazi-pug-man-arrested-after-teaching-girlfriends-dog-to-perform/
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Midig posted:Well, not necessarily attacking someone. But dealing with difficult subjects. Plenty of jokes don't deal with difficult subjects, though. I see no reason why you want to exclude them other than it's inconvenient for your argument.
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