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Judakel posted:"On character terms, Diana stands apart from the previous DCEU heroes by simply being not human..." This is totally true though. Superman was born an alien, but he was raised as a human, in the human world, just like Batman. Wonder Woman was raised apart from the human world, and then retreated again until the events of BvS, so she's an outsider capable of making criticisms of the human world in a way that someone who lives within it might not be able to.
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DC Murderverse posted:This is totally true though. Superman was born an alien, but he was raised as a human, in the human world, just like Batman. Wonder Woman was raised apart from the human world, and then retreated again until the events of BvS, so she's an outsider capable of making criticisms of the human world in a way that someone who lives within it might not be able to. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWTJIBGNId0
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May 31, 2017 01:56
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are you gonna quote Gorden Gekko and Tyler Durden next?
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May 31, 2017 02:38
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DC Murderverse posted:are you gonna quote Gorden Gekko and Tyler Durden next? If you make a dumb point and it is applicable, sure.
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May 31, 2017 03:30
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Ahaha someone actually willingly uses that kill bill bullshit as a serious response? Jeeeesus Christ. I mean, it works as a speech in the movie because it's a parallel for the Wife's situation, but come the gently caress on, man, the only Superman that it's pertinent to is the 70's era one where he marries Jimmy to an Ape or slaps Lois for not making him a sandwich. But I guess it's the Snyder movies that AREN'T MY SUPERMAN!
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May 31, 2017 03:32
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It's barely even applicable to her situation it's a fictional sociopath's manipulative speech, it says more about his hosed up perspective than it does about Beatrix and certainly Superman
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May 31, 2017 03:48
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Yeah I was gonna say like, Bill's words about Superman were so wise and great that he got killed right after.
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May 31, 2017 04:04
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Drifter posted:Ahaha someone actually willingly uses that kill bill bullshit as a serious response? Jeeeesus Christ. Here is how dumb your point is: Superman so clearly identifies as a Kryptonian rather than a human that even his diary is written in Kryptonian. In his most private of moments he doesn't consider himself human. Even in the animated series. He has always been Kryptonian, which is key to why he is just a much better person than all the humans around him. It isn't Kansas. It is his dad. Guy A. Person posted:It's barely even applicable to her situation it's a fictional sociopath's manipulative speech, it says more about his hosed up perspective than it does about Beatrix and certainly Superman Woosh.
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May 31, 2017 04:14
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Judakel posted:Here is how dumb your point is: Superman so clearly identifies as a Kryptonian rather than a human that even his diary is written in Kryptonian. In his most private of moments he doesn't consider himself human. Even in the animated series. He has always been Kryptonian, which is key to why he is just a much better person than all the humans around him. It isn't Kansas. It is his dad. oh yeah, i remember the part in the movie where he wrote in his journal in Kryptonian, it was right after the part in the movie where lois turned into a black woman and Jimmy Olsen switched minds with a gorilla.
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May 31, 2017 04:22
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DC Murderverse posted:oh yeah, i remember the part in the movie where he wrote in his journal in Kryptonian, it was right after the part in the movie where lois turned into a black woman and Jimmy Olsen switched minds with a gorilla. You mean those awful movies?
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May 31, 2017 04:25
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So your argument is that his review of MoS is dumb because it mischaracterizes the Superman from MoS as being non-alien but he clearly is alien as evidenced by other Superman stories but not MoS which is awful anyway So an elaborate "Not My Superman" Why not just say that poo poo in the first place?
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May 31, 2017 04:29
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Guy A. Person posted:So your argument is that his review of MoS is dumb because it mischaracterizes the Superman from MoS as being non-alien but he clearly is alien as evidenced by other Superman stories but not MoS which is awful anyway It isn't a review of MoS, but just a dumb article defending Zack Snyder's decisions in those two other movies and claiming WW is most definitely not a reaction to the horrible reception of those two films because Diana isn't even human so you see it is totally normal to shift and WW is in no way "better" or anything.
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May 31, 2017 04:35
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Judakel posted:You mean those awful movies? that is literally what we are talking about. this isn't BSS, that article is specifically about Zack Snyder's two Superman movies, why would I give half a poo poo what happened in one issue of a comic book?
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May 31, 2017 04:58
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DC Murderverse posted:that is literally what we are talking about. this isn't BSS, that article is specifically about Zack Snyder's two Superman movies, why would I give half a poo poo what happened in one issue of a comic book? Because that writer's point is that wonder woman is different because she isn't human. Follow the thread.
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May 31, 2017 05:06
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Judakel posted:Because that writer's point is that wonder woman is different because she isn't human. Follow the thread. I never meant for the discussion to go to WW from that writer's article - I merely wanted to point out what made MoS so divisive, but their point was that she was raised as an outsider. Clark discovers his alien heritage and views it through a modern human point of view while WW views the world through her alien (a thousand year old retro fantasy god-world) pov. And Batman is just psychotic so who knows what the gently caress he thinks. And literally everything you've written misses the point, it's quite weird. 
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May 31, 2017 05:28
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Judakel posted:Here is how dumb your point is: Superman so clearly identifies as a Kryptonian rather than a human that even his diary is written in Kryptonian. In his most private of moments he doesn't consider himself human. Even in the animated series. He has always been Kryptonian, which is key to why he is just a much better person than all the humans around him. It isn't Kansas. It is his dad. Pretty sure you'd be able to find an issue or three where you can make the exact opposite argument. It's weird that you get so abrasive because some guy's point is clearly invalidated by two examples from over 75 years of publication history.
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May 31, 2017 06:04
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Grendels Dad posted:Pretty sure you'd be able to find an issue or three where you can make the exact opposite argument. It's weird that you get so abrasive because some guy's point is clearly invalidated by two examples from over 75 years of publication history. Yeah, say virtually every issue written since 1986.
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May 31, 2017 06:40
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Drifter posted:I never meant for the discussion to go to WW from that writer's article - I merely wanted to point out what made MoS so divisive, but their point was that she was raised as an outsider. Clark discovers his alien heritage and views it through a modern human point of view while WW views the world through her alien (a thousand year old retro fantasy god-world) pov. And Batman is just psychotic so who knows what the gently caress he thinks. I didn't miss your point. I think the rest of the article shows just how sad that entire school of reasoning is, though. Grendels Dad posted:Pretty sure you'd be able to find an issue or three where you can make the exact opposite argument. It's weird that you get so abrasive because some guy's point is clearly invalidated by two examples from over 75 years of publication history. Maybe, but I seriously doubt those two examples are the only ones. In fact, I would be willing to bet that things which run counter to those 2 examples are in the small minority compared to things which support those 2 examples. Judakel fucked around with this message at 06:46 on May 31, 2017 |
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May 31, 2017 06:44
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So was Leonardo Da Vinci secretly a mirror beast from the Opposite Dimension because his journals and diaries were written backwards?
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May 31, 2017 07:54
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ungulateman posted:So was Leonardo Da Vinci secretly a mirror beast from the Opposite Dimension because his journals and diaries were written backwards? Have you seen Twin Peaks?
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May 31, 2017 07:58
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https://www.polygon.com/2017/5/30/15675084/review-wonder-womanPolygon posted:Wonder Woman is a film about the horrors of war, taking place as the German war machine is on its last legs and armistice is on the cusp of being drawn. The setting of World War I seems strange for the character at first. The Great War predates her creation as a historical event — predates the superhero genre itself by decades.
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May 31, 2017 08:47
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I'd rather die in trench warfare than read an article from polygon.
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May 31, 2017 08:59
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quote:Diana stands apart from the previous DCEU heroes by simply being not human, and not ‘of’ the modern world.
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May 31, 2017 09:16
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Drifter posted:I'd rather die in trench warfare than read an article from polygon. Having just watched the movie, I reckon dying in trench warfare might be preferable to watching the film as well
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May 31, 2017 09:47
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Judakel posted:Maybe, but I seriously doubt those two examples are the only ones. In fact, I would be willing to bet that things which run counter to those 2 examples are in the small minority compared to things which support those 2 examples. If you want to make the point that Superman is
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May 31, 2017 10:10
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Superman isn't an alien, he is a robot programmed to obey. He spends all his time doing what his dead fathers want, what zod wants, what Louis wants, what the government wants. He asks his mother for instructions and she said he should do what he wants, so he flew off and bowed to Lex. He just didn't do what the audience wanted. Anyways, is Wonder Woman an agent of free will?
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May 31, 2017 10:33
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Goffer posted:Superman isn't an alien, he is a robot programmed to obey. He spends all his time doing what his dead fathers want, what zod wants, what Louis wants, what the government wants. He asks his mother for instructions and she said he should do what he wants, so he flew off and bowed to Lex. Makes sense, in Superman IV: Quest for Peace Superman ends the nuclear arms race because a kid from Bumfuck, Idaho asked him to. He's like the Chief from One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, you just have to approach him about ending world hunger and it's done.
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May 31, 2017 10:44
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BrianWilly posted:https://www.polygon.com/2017/5/30/15675084/review-wonder-woman What movie did they watch because this is exactly what happens lmao Edit: reading that review I wish I saw the movie they did where it actually engages with the setting in any meaningful way. Ghosthotel fucked around with this message at 13:23 on May 31, 2017 |
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May 31, 2017 13:19
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Ghosthotel posted:What movie did they watch because this is exactly what happens lmao Seriously. I read the polygon review before I saw it, and afterwards I was just unsure how they wrote that piece. I guess if it was the only piece of WWI media you'd ever seen?
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May 31, 2017 15:14
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Cute https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mT46UlOC6k
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May 31, 2017 16:27
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ungulateman posted:So was Leonardo Da Vinci secretly a mirror beast from the Opposite Dimension because his journals and diaries were written backwards? That isn't relevant. Grendels Dad posted:If you want to make the point that Superman is Nah, callous sociopath is Snyder's bag. Judakel fucked around with this message at 19:43 on May 31, 2017 |
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May 31, 2017 19:35
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If saving the world makes you a sociopath, sure.
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May 31, 2017 19:45
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So Judakel are you planning to see the movie?
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May 31, 2017 19:50
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Scylo posted:Seriously. I read the polygon review before I saw it, and afterwards I was just unsure how they wrote that piece. I guess if it was the only piece of WWI media you'd ever seen? When was the last time The World At War was broadcast on TV? It may well be.
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May 31, 2017 20:12
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https://twitter.com/PattyJenks/status/869965802455355403
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May 31, 2017 21:12
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"It's her time." I can remember another woman recently who tried to campaign with basically that slogan.
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May 31, 2017 21:31
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Wonder Woman's poster game has been real solid. So many great ones.
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May 31, 2017 22:58
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Drifter posted:"It's her time." Does the villain grab Wonder Woman by the pussy as well?
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May 31, 2017 23:49
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Scylo posted:Seriously. I read the polygon review before I saw it, and afterwards I was just unsure how they wrote that piece. I guess if it was the only piece of WWI media you'd ever seen? There's not a huge amount of WW1 media. I mean, currently, there's a computer game, which boils down a hellish conflict into "Throw grenades at zeppelins while you're on a horse" and there's a few horror movies set in the trenches, but with the war being as awful and pointless as it was, and having a bigger budget sequel, it doesn't lend itself to popular media very well.
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Snowman_McK posted:There's not a huge amount of WW1 media. I mean, currently, there's a computer game, which boils down a hellish conflict into "Throw grenades at zeppelins while you're on a horse" and there's a few horror movies set in the trenches, but with the war being as awful and pointless as it was, and having a bigger budget sequel, it doesn't lend itself to popular media very well. Verdun is much more of a simulator and is actually on sale this week! Sadly no Wonder Woman DLC has been confirmed, but you can lob mustard gas at your enemies!
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