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Jim Barris posted:Nethack is not an RPG. Your role as a player is entirely defined by the starting race and class. Nethack isn't an RPG you're correct but not for the reasons you think, it's a dungeon crawler with RPG elements. I guess with some semantic gerrymandering you could construe it as a classical CRPG but if you wanted to play six degrees of seperation Call of Duty's multiplayer could be portrayed as an RPG. Point here is CRPGs were basically pen and paper campaigns moved to the computer. They allowed multiple solutions to problems and generally incorporated similar formulas. Their defining features were non-singular solutions (when they felt like it) and character creation that mirrored that of PnP RPGs. In Wasteland's case it's Mercenaries Spies and Private Eyes.
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the best rpg ever made (planescape torment) uses an engine that's just a digital version of AD&D 2.5 or w/e so that follows
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May 31, 2017 21:55
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planescape is not the best rpg ever made its good dont get me wrong but the best rpg ever made is dwarf fortress
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May 31, 2017 21:56
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SpaceClown posted:i do occasionally. waiting for the new DF update that's gonna flesh out adventure mode a ton. i think the definition of rogue-like has changed over time. it no longer mean a game like rogue. today it means "gameplay mechanics are more important that graphics, also maybe turn based"
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May 31, 2017 21:57
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basic hitler posted:you're free to share but you are not free to do so without being criticized!!!!!!!!!!!!! On the other hand every opinion in this thread is presumably subject to criticism because it's the Unpopular Videogame Opinions thread
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May 31, 2017 21:58
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Rutibex posted:i think the definition of rogue-like has changed over time. it no longer mean a game like rogue. today it means "gameplay mechanics are more important that graphics, also maybe turn based" i shudder to think that old x-com is considered a roguelike to many people, let alone new xcom 
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May 31, 2017 21:59
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SpaceClown posted:planescape is not the best rpg ever made nah that poo poo's only like 6/10 because of the poo poo graphics and the RNG nature of everything can easily yield a poo poo experience that will send you back to generating a new world for 30 minutes
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May 31, 2017 22:02
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SpaceClown posted:Nethack isn't an RPG you're correct but not for the reasons you think, it's a dungeon crawler with RPG elements. I guess with some semantic gerrymandering you could construe it as a classical CRPG but if you wanted to play six degrees of seperation Call of Duty's multiplayer could be portrayed as an RPG.
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May 31, 2017 22:05
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Yeah doesn't DF have more in common with top-down management games like Evil Genius and Dungeon Keeper in the end?
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May 31, 2017 22:11
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Dwarf Fortress is much more fun to read about than to play.
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May 31, 2017 22:14
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Jim Barris posted:yeah but if nethack isnt an rpg neither is Wizardry. You make some valid points here, certainly, and what constitutes an rpg is fairly nebulous. I don't think it's right to marry the concept to it's PNP roots and conceits. DF is not an RPG btw. It is a dwarf simulator. the definition of a computer game RPG started as "a game with stats, like D&D" but that obviously doesnt work any more because thats literally every game now. Call of Duty is an RPG 
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May 31, 2017 22:15
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The development of regenerating health was overall a good thing because it allows for every encounter to potentially go full out and throw everything at you.
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May 31, 2017 22:24
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The Xen level in Half Life 1 and all the alien levels after it absolutely ruled and produced some of the most magical gaming memories I can recall. Total seriouspost. Then again back then I used to play with cheats on all the time so for me it was primarily about enjoying the art direction and having fun invincibly shooting infinite ammo at aliens and noclipping past the really tedious parts while still oogling at how strange and cool that little universe was.
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May 31, 2017 22:37
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Universe Master posted:The development of regenerating health was overall a good thing because it allows for every encounter to potentially go full out and throw everything at you. ---------- TRPG stories universally suck, even the original Final Fantasy tactics. Well, the first Front Mission was enjoyable in a "Metal Gear" kind-of way. Ogre Battle/Ogre Battle 64 are infinitely better than Tatics Ogre.
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May 31, 2017 22:43
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Universe Master posted:The development of regenerating health was overall a good thing because it allows for every encounter to potentially go full out and throw everything at you. This is correct in theory but in practice it means devs don't actually design encounters anymore they just fling enemies at you. There is definitely room for both systems, though, and regen games have saturated the market to the point where a new FPS without auto-regen automatically has a point in its favor from me not because it's better but because it's different.
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May 31, 2017 22:50
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mind the walrus posted:You are an inhuman monster. Aside from Halo 1 I've never enjoyed regenerating health. Turtling is worse than having to figure out a room of enemies like a puzzle, even if it means dying 200 times. Halo 1 doesn't have regenerating health
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May 31, 2017 23:04
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hawowanlawow posted:Halo 1 doesn't have regenerating health Probably why he enjoyed it
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May 31, 2017 23:17
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mind the walrus posted:Yeah doesn't DF have more in common with top-down management games like Evil Genius and Dungeon Keeper in the end? only if you play fortress mode the game really shines and comes into its own in adventurer mode.
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May 31, 2017 23:23
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Jesus loving christ, there's so much nerding in this thread now my acne is coming back.
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May 31, 2017 23:32
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"I am a really cool person" - A goon desperately tries to project to a thread.
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May 31, 2017 23:38
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Doom 2016 had the compromise system of "You can have lots of health, but it's inside monster bodies and you have to fight for it." which I also liked.
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May 31, 2017 23:38
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hawowanlawow posted:Halo 1 doesn't have regenerating health Um, excuse me, sir; Halo 1 had regenerating shields. It did not, in fact, have regenerating health. This is an important distinction and if you're going to participate in serious adult discussions you would do well to get it right.
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May 31, 2017 23:42
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hawowanlawow posted:Halo 1 doesn't have regenerating health It was probably the first truly mainstream FPS that had a regenerating shield system which is kinda the same thing. It was a massively influential title, and was probably a factor in the proliferation of regenerating health games that followed. fart. e: great, pre-nerded
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VideoTapir posted:Um, excuse me, sir; Halo 1 had regenerating shields. It did not, in fact, have regenerating health. This is an important distinction and if you're going to participate in serious adult discussions you would do well to get it right. my point exactly
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May 31, 2017 23:45
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This thread blows when it's nerd slap fights panickedly trying to defend their opinion,s Just relax your sphincters and let the poo poo post ease its way out, quit straining so hard: Horizon Zero Dawn never interested me but i was stoked for ReCore for the double jump & sick air dashing (no xbone tho)!!
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May 31, 2017 23:47
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hawowanlawow posted:my point exactly If they'd called it something different it would matter.
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May 31, 2017 23:48
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poo poo's tame as heck in here I liked neverwinter nights and nwn 2. I completed them both but tapped out of both bg1 & 2.
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May 31, 2017 23:49
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heroes of newerth was objectively better than dota and lol before it went f2p
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May 31, 2017 23:50
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cod: mw was a more seminal game in terms of design than hl2
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VideoTapir posted:If they'd called it something different it would matter. ? cod:mw was the poo poo, but gently caress martyrdom
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Phantasy Star Online, while not a bad game, was not a proper Phantasy Star game. Jeza posted:cod: mw was a more seminal game in terms of design than hl2 In terms of development dollars redirected as a result I'd say you're right.
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I Was a big fan of MGS1 and I had no problems playing as Raiden in MGS2 when it came out cause even 15y/o me understood the point was to show how cool snake was from a diff POV
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The best Metal Gear game stars Raiden.
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hawowanlawow posted:? They call shields health and health something else...soul, testicular fortitude, whatever, somehow this changes the nature of the mechanic. Is this a "my immersion!" thing?
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fruit on the bottom posted:The best Metal Gear game stars Raiden. Dead On
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VideoTapir posted:They call shields health and health something else...soul, testicular fortitude, whatever, somehow this changes the nature of the mechanic. Nah, it had both shields and health. Halo 2 ditched the health in favor of stronger shields + cod-style regenerating health Also energy weapons did more damage to shields and ballistic did more when shields were down
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MGS4 Raiden sucked, I didn't like them making him dark and broody and a secret badass to appeal to western criticism. Raiden is at his best when he's a loving nerd who gets tricked and owned constantly: MGS2  Revengeance
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I didn't actually play MGS4, only watched the cutscenes...dark and broody didn't seem like an apt description, more like depressed and suicidal.
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VideoTapir posted:I didn't actually play MGS4, only watched the cutscenes So you've played the game.
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bioware games are trash on a level that really outshines how trashy other trash video games are their trademark is "romance options written by people who have never experienced romance, or indeed any other emotion towards another living being"
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