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Raylen posted:I love when they advocate for violence against their detractors but then get all up in arms when their supporters are attacked. I know it's an easy setup to use out of the GOP playbook but it's starting to get pretty transparent. Or the whole "TRUMP NEVER ADVOCATED VIOLENCE" when he implies a "second amendment solution" to Hillary. They pulled the whole "imagine of Conservatives said and did things like they do about Trump and his family" thing and that always makes me laugh out loud. It must be fun living in a totally deluded bubble where your absurdly false nonsense never gets challenged.
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Deadulus posted:Yeah if they were gonna go with something like that. It should've been something more like 'She is with you'. That's...actually a pretty good one, I have to say. 
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Grassy Knowles posted:Except that you've deliberately been paying into it. That was your responsibility in the social contract, which you have fulfilled by that age. Do not allow them to frame the debate. It's not a handout; it's thievery to take it away. Alright JFK jokemans help me out here. Should we, as liberals, frame social security as welfare in order to destigmatize welfare in general? Or do we frame social security as a mandatory retirement account as part of working in America?
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These just aren't enjoyable like they were during the campaign https://twitter.com/hillaryclinton/status/870090101765931008
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logger posted:All it took for a white-supremacist in Portland to kill a few people was to be told not to yell at Muslim women on a bus. I mean, it IS a threat and should be treated as such. And like its the entire reason "Hate Laws" exist because there's stuff that should be treated more seriously because it has history and can spark a dormant fire very easily. But I do think its probably likely it was the extent of some racist rear end in a top hat's courage. At least until getting away with it makes him want to do something bigger or inspires someone with a little more conviction. Josh Lyman posted:These just aren't enjoyable like they were during the campaign Ok. Now not only have Ted Cruz and Mike Huckabee tried but Hillary has nearly 24 hours after it started. Can we officially bury this one now? STAC Goat fucked around with this message at 03:25 on Jun 1, 2017 |
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I wonder if the Portland murders will result in people not being cordial with crazy white supremacists on public transit and instead just straightarming them immediately.
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Majorian posted:What would "taking this seriously" look like, just out of curiosity? Not accuse it of being a false flag, for one.
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STAC Goat posted:I mean, it IS a threat and should be treated as such. And like its the entire reason "Hate Laws" exist because there's stuff that should be treated more seriously because it has history and can spark a dormant fire very easily. Look, I'm not meaning to dump on people here, because I'm pretty sure most of you agree with me in different words. But the guy who does this today is the same guy posting racist YouTube comments 6 months ago. Daily escalation is the name of the game now, and any attempt to underplay this cannot be tolerated.
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apokaladle posted:Yeah, no, if the first responses are "lol fake" then those very people aren't taking things seriously. I'm so loving sick and tired of seeing people "chill" while this poo poo accelerates daily. One person in the thread said it was a hoax. I'm sorry about the chill comment. I only said that because it is hard not to be scared by this poo poo. People should stand up for others when they're witnessing injustice; however, it's not something that we can stop.
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Guys, her campaign slogan was "Stronger Together", which is a decent summary of how she was trying to position the Democratic Party, big tent and all that. It just wasn't a great slogan. I don't want to get involved in primary bickering but her slogan simply wasn't "I'm With Her".
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apokaladle posted:Look, I'm not meaning to dump on people here, because I'm pretty sure most of you agree with me in different words. But the guy who does this today is the same guy posting racist YouTube comments 6 months ago. Daily escalation is the name of the game now, and any attempt to underplay this cannot be tolerated. Yeah, I don't think we're disagreeing. We're both saying to treat the act of vandalism as a serious thing because it could escalate to violence. Again, its the answer to the question "Why do we have Hate Crime?" This. This is why we treat otherwise mild crimes like vandalism more seriously if they carry dangerous historical significance. STAC Goat fucked around with this message at 03:32 on Jun 1, 2017 |
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It's real you doofuses http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smithsonian-institution/noose-found-national-museum-african-american-history-and-culture-180963519/
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Apoplexy posted:Calling Bernie race-blind is a disservice to everyone living below the poverty line, who are disproportionately a racial minority.
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Captain Invictus posted:I wonder if the Portland murders will result in people not being cordial with crazy white supremacists on public transit and instead just straightarming them immediately. You can assume someone making a public outburst like that is armed since that would be a likely reason for being that brazen. The white supremacist movement needs to be squashed immediately. Unfortunately, the best tactics towards fascists are fascist tactics.
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STAC Goat posted:But I do think its probably likely it was the extent of some racist rear end in a top hat's courage. At least until getting away with it makes him want to do something bigger or inspires someone with a little more conviction. I have no doubt about that, but I also worry that if they were caught during the act they would have literally hurt someone. I also have no doubt that if they killed someone while trying to hang a noose in front of the African American History Museum the victim would have been vilified by the right, because that seems to be where the country is these days.
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STAC Goat posted:They pulled the whole "imagine of Conservatives said and did things like they do about Trump and his family" thing and that always makes me laugh out loud. It must be fun living in a totally deluded bubble where your absurdly false nonsense never gets challenged. In all fairness, liberals do the same thing but not with violence and poo poo except for the shithead Antifa losers. For example, talking heads constantly are saying poo poo like "If Hillary was President, she'd be facing impeachment right now!!!" All hypotheticals aside, Trump is just flooding the zone with all kinds of garbage.
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Egbert Souse posted:You can assume someone making a public outburst like that is armed since that would be a likely reason for being that brazen. Well, I mean, the government could investigate them and try to take them apart. But oh yeah, Jeff Sessions said the DOJ wasn't doing that anymore.
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Here is a news so you will all shut up about that person https://twitter.com/Evan_Rosenfeld/status/870071829431320576
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Raylen posted:In all fairness, liberals do the same thing but not with violence and poo poo. For example, talking heads constantly are saying poo poo like "If Hillary was President, she'd be facing impeachment right now!!!" All hypotheticals aside, Trump is just flooding the zone with all kinds of garbage. Its not the hypothetical that's eyerolling. Its the selective memory/vision about all the poo poo conservatives throw at Democrats. Like, they literally pretend no one said or did poo poo towards Obama. Which is a level of delusion I just still haven't processed. In some alternate world Sean Hannity or Laura Ingraham go on some show where the host just plays one of those Daily Show highlight reels of hypocritical statements. And, like, the Hillary thing is less eye rolling when there were Republican Senators promising to start impeachment procedures on Day 1 of Hillary's Presidency for the same sort of stuff we know Trump has done. STAC Goat fucked around with this message at 03:39 on Jun 1, 2017 |
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Raylen posted:In all fairness, liberals do the same thing but not with violence and poo poo except for the shithead Antifa losers. For example, talking heads constantly are saying poo poo like "If Hillary was President, she'd be facing impeachment right now!!!" All hypotheticals aside, Trump is just flooding the zone with all kinds of garbage. Hitler said that the only way to stop fascism was with violence against the fascists before they gained power. So, yeah, SHITHEAD ANTIFA LOSERS TRYING TO STOP FASCISM HOW DARE THEY
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Raylen posted:"If Hillary was President, she'd be facing impeachment right now!!!" The Republicans are still trying to burn her at the stake about Benghazi even after 11 investigations failed to find her culpable, so I don't see how this is incorrect.
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Threats like noose in museum tell other racist poo poo bags that they're not alone. The jackass who left the noose might be too chicken poo poo to do anything but it just might be enough to push the next Dylan Roof forward.
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Mustached Demon posted:That part right there makes it a hand out of sorts. At the very, very least it's a free retirement account all Americans qualify for regardless of where they work. That's a handout. I'm operating under the assumption that most people receiving SS checks are retired people who payed into it during their careers. If I'm wrong, just link me something that says otherwise.
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logger posted:I have no doubt about that, but I also worry that if they were caught during the act they would have literally hurt someone. Possibly, but that's why progressives need to be careful. We may not love the cops, but if we had witnessed something like this, that would be a good situation in which to call them. The guys who died or got injured in Portland are loving heroes, and need to be remembered as such, but there's a lesson in their deaths/injuries too. We need to follow their example and stand up for people who are being harassed by racists/homophobes/whoever, but we also need to keep our eyes peeled for weapons or other dangers. In this situation with the museum, there's not much we can do about the situation as it stands. All we can do is resolve to do our best when we see something bad going down. I think we're all on the same page on that.
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ReidRansom posted:Here is a news so you will all shut up about that person gently caress yeah, surveilling the press!
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Apoplexy posted:Hitler said that the only way to stop fascism was with violence against the fascists before they gained power. So, yeah, SHITHEAD ANTIFA LOSERS TRYING TO STOP FASCISM HOW DARE THEY Hitler was completely full of poo poo whenever he publicly talked about the Nazis rise to power so don't use him as a reliable narrator you idiot.
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Apoplexy posted:Hitler said that the only way to stop fascism was with violence against the fascists before they gained power. So, yeah, SHITHEAD ANTIFA LOSERS TRYING TO STOP FASCISM HOW DARE THEY Hmmm yes, let's use violence to stop the violence. That always works!
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ReidRansom posted:Here is a news so you will all shut up about that person This seems bad.
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Apoplexy posted:Hitler said that the only way to stop fascism was with violence against the fascists before they gained power. So, yeah, SHITHEAD ANTIFA LOSERS TRYING TO STOP FASCISM HOW DARE THEY That's the problem with the abbreviation. When people proudly talk about how anti antifa they are, it slightly obscures the double negative. ^^ that bit above is real fascist tactics while we're on the subject 
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Chilichimp posted:I'm operating under the assumption that most people receiving SS checks are retired people who payed into it during their careers. I'm operating under the same. I'm claiming the management of the money people pay into it counts as a handout.
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Josh Lyman posted:These just aren't enjoyable like they were during the campaign This is the moment covfefe became president.
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Deadulus posted:Yeah if they were gonna go with something like that. It should've been something more like 'She's with you'. See, this guy gets it. "Make america great again." "Change we can believe in" "Yes we can." Those are actual campaign slogans that don't suck rear end. I'm with her sounds as resigned as the majority of Clinton voters felt come election day. Yeah, she sucks but the other guy is an orange lunatic so I guess, I'm with her. "She's with you" "She's with me" either of them hit the same buttons and don't sound like something I'd say before pulling the trigger. theflyingorc posted:That's not actually her campaign slogan. It's one if them. It also speaks volumes that I, a guy who watched approximately eight billion hours of election news coverage, don't know what Hillary Clinton's campaign slogan is but that I can name like... Four trump ones.
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Majorian posted:Who cares what most Trump voters did? What matters were those voters who usually vote D, but didn't this time around. Those voters swung those Blue Wall states. and pretty much every one of those i've talked to hated hillary's guts but agreed with her policy positions if you neglected to mention that hillary held the same position. if you did they'd turn around and say they disagreed they don't even know what the blue wall is there's a lot of reasons hillary lost but competence isn't it
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Captain Invictus posted:gently caress yeah, surveilling the press! Article says it's FISA as well, but I thought that could only be used if at least one party was a foreign agent.
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Captain Invictus posted:gently caress yeah, surveilling the press! What could go wrong?
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Caros posted:See, this guy gets it. The election is over
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ReidRansom posted:Here is a news so you will all shut up about that person This is a very bad thing that should not be allowed to happen.
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Captain Invictus posted:gently caress yeah, surveilling the press! Once again this is the exact same poo poo that happened during the Nixon Administration.
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i mean people barely talk about voter suppression because they're so eager to talk about how hillary deserves all the blame even in this thread, where it comes up more than most places
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apokaladle posted:That's the problem with the abbreviation. When people proudly talk about how anti antifa they are, it slightly obscures the double negative. I'm not totally anti-Antifa. I'm just against using violence to somehow force fascists to think differently. It's literally playing into their narrative of "Oh look at these violent extremists! We need more security and surveillance to take care of them!"
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