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| Labour |
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907 | 49.92% |
| Theresa May Team (Conservative) |
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48 | 2.64% |
| Liberal Democrats |
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31 | 1.71% |
| UKIP |
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13 | 0.72% |
| Plaid Cymru |
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25 | 1.38% |
| Green |
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22 | 1.21% |
| Scottish Socialist Party |
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12 | 0.66% |
| Scottish Conservative Party |
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1 | 0.06% |
| Scottish National Party |
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59 | 3.25% |
| Some Kind of Irish Unionist |
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4 | 0.22% |
| Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian |
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3 | 0.17% |
| Some Kind of Irish Nationalist |
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36 | 1.98% |
| Misc. Far Left Trots |
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35 | 1.93% |
| Misc. Far Right Fash |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Monster Raving Loony |
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49 | 2.70% |
| Space Navies Party |
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39 | 2.15% |
| Independent / Single Issue |
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2 | 0.11% |
| Can't Vote |
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188 | 10.35% |
| Won't Vote |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Spoiled Ballot |
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15 | 0.83% |
| Pissflaps |
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312 | 17.17% |
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Kurtofan posted:i'm hoping for a libdem-snp coalition myself In a sane world Nicola Sturgeon would be PM, she's just great.
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staberind posted:The radical bit means they do all that talking in a room stuff, but while doing tricks and jumps with rollerblades. Ha, they'll make that big decision and all shout "excellent!" and do air guitar.
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Jun 1, 2017 11:29
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Wazzerphuk posted:
Has the allotment been fair over the years? What happens after brexit, do British fisherman just have free reign to do what they want in national waters upsetting the hopefully careful EU plan?
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Jun 1, 2017 11:34
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Does whoever wins HAVE to to do brexit? The ref. was nonbinding, couldn't lib dems hypothetically win and then be all "lol nope" to exiting? Has anything legally binding been signed?
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Jun 1, 2017 11:36
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themrguy posted:Does whoever wins HAVE to to do brexit? The ref. was nonbinding, couldn't lib dems hypothetically win and then be all "lol nope" to exiting? Has anything legally binding been signed? Article 50 has been triggered. It can be evoked but only if all EU member states agree to revoke it (which they have indicated they would). It would be political suicide to do, though.
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Jun 1, 2017 11:37
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No, article 50 can be reversed. But it's not a politically viable thing to do.
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Jun 1, 2017 11:37
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themrguy posted:Does whoever wins HAVE to to do brexit? The ref. was nonbinding, couldn't lib dems hypothetically win and then be all "lol nope" to exiting? Has anything legally binding been signed? No, but it would be absolute suicide for the party who decides to not go ahead with it.
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Seaside Loafer posted:Is there some sort of nationalistic annoyance, as in 'the bloody french get more and its decided from bloody brussels' etc. Lmbo what do you think, genius?
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Seaside Loafer posted:Anyone know much about the whole bother with fishing quotas? My know nothing man in the pub thought is surely even fisherman understand that its there for a reason, ie to not fish the fish to extinction so we can carry on fishing. Is there some sort of nationalistic annoyance, as in 'the bloody french get more and its decided from bloody brussels' etc. It's a purely symbolic issue. Kippers really don't give two shits about the entire thing, to them it boils down to the EVIL EU FACELESS BRUSSELS MAN TAKING ARE FREEDOMS. When you challenge them on it they generally don't actually have a response, the only actual response I've ever got from a Kipper over it was some conspiracy theory garbage of the French taking revenge for the 100 Years War, by advising fishing quotas or something.
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Jun 1, 2017 11:40
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I suppose there's a school of thought that a complete rout of the Tories could represent a mandate for revoking A50, but I couldn't see even such a hypothetically-emboldened Labour party having the bollocks to go through with it
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SteelMentor posted:It's a purely symbolic issue. Kippers really don't give two shits about the entire thing, to them it boils down to the EVIL EU FACELESS BRUSSELS MAN TAKING ARE FREEDOMS. When you challenge them on it they generally don't actually have a response, the only actual response I've ever got from a Kipper over it was some conspiracy theory garbage of the French taking revenge for the 100 Years War, by advising fishing quotas or something. its true, you'll pay for joan with your fishies, you perfidious albionite
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Jun 1, 2017 11:41
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Seaside Loafer posted:Anyone know much about the whole bother with fishing quotas? My know nothing man in the pub thought is surely even fisherman understand that its there for a reason, ie to not fish the fish to extinction so we can carry on fishing. Is there some sort of nationalistic annoyance, as in 'the bloody french get more and its decided from bloody brussels' etc. The problem is that we abide by our quotas and others ignore them, so when our brave boys of the sea go to fish in an area there is nothing but scraps left for them. That's not simply rah rah gently caress the Spanish, it's something that genuinely does need to get addressed, but tends to get lost in all of the fake wolf crying.
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i was chatting to some locals in paignton once about the whole EU fishing thing, and they were telling me that they're not allowed to fish in a whole bunch of places nearby just because of the EU or whatever, and it upset them a whole lot. i don't really know how true any of that is, though. i'd imagine there's a good reason for it at least.
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Jun 1, 2017 11:45
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themrguy posted:Does whoever wins HAVE to to do brexit? The ref. was nonbinding, couldn't lib dems hypothetically win and then be all "lol nope" to exiting? Has anything legally binding been signed? Within the framework of the European Union, now A50 is triggered the UK has to leave unless everyone else says 'no we know you didn't mean it'. Withing the framework of the United Kingdom, Parliament is sovereign. It can do whatever the gently caress a majority of MPs want to do. 'What a majority of MPs want to do' practically means that Parliament can do anything that won't get a substantial number of MPs turfed out of office. Which in the current atmosphere, going back on Brexit would.
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Jun 1, 2017 11:46
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The idea that resources are finite and often non-renewable really seems to elude those of the politically conservative bent.
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Jun 1, 2017 11:48
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learnincurve posted:The problem is that we abide by our quotas and others ignore them, so when our brave boys of the sea go to fish in an area there is nothing but scraps left for them. That's not simply rah rah gently caress the Spanish, it's something that genuinely does need to get addressed, but tends to get lost in all of the fake wolf crying. Is there any further reading / evidence on this? I'd thought quotas were pretty strictly enforced, although they're still being set too high for stocks to recover.
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Jun 1, 2017 11:50
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Lovechop posted:i was chatting to some locals in paignton once about the whole EU fishing thing, and they were telling me that they're not allowed to fish in a whole bunch of places nearby just because of the EU or whatever, and it upset them a whole lot. i don't really know how true any of that is, though. i'd imagine there's a good reason for it at least. Probably is true, the EU seems to enforce/fund roughly 100% of our environmental projects in the UK because no-one else gives a poo poo. Partly its "think of the fish!" stuff where fish take primacy over humans that get people angry (I'm more thinking about local river policies rather than fishing here though) but its basically the only thing keeping the UK environment remotely clean and healthy. After Brexit its gonna be back to sewage beaches and flammable london air at the very least. I do some (very menial) work in this sector and almost every public works project I've worked on has ultimately been commisioned or funded by the EU.
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Jun 1, 2017 11:50
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Lovechop posted:i was chatting to some locals in paignton once about the whole EU fishing thing, and they were telling me that they're not allowed to fish in a whole bunch of places nearby just because of the EU or whatever, and it upset them a whole lot. i don't really know how true any of that is, though. i'd imagine there's a good reason for it at least. i don't think the locals in paignton are very bright https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MPRmOUxRMY
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Jun 1, 2017 11:52
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Party Boat posted:Is there any further reading / evidence on this? I'd thought quotas were pretty strictly enforced, although they're still being set too high for stocks to recover. There's some good overview with links to relevant figures/further information here; https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-pinching-our-fish/
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Jun 1, 2017 11:56
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WeAreTheRomans posted:I suppose there's a school of thought that a complete rout of the Tories could represent a mandate for revoking A50, but I couldn't see even such a hypothetically-emboldened Labour party having the bollocks to go through with it The Tories could lose their majority here, but it's still a bit much to hope that Labour will actually win outright - there's a good chance we'll end up with a coalition government Assuming we dodge the risk of the Lib Dems propping up the Tories like Tim 'bantzman' Farron has threatened to do, we could get a Labour coalition and that means giving the other parties what they want. The Lib Dems have been pretty aggressive about opposing Brexit and demanding a referendum on the final deal, it feels like they'd be happy to make that a condition for their support and take a lot of the credit/heat for it Don't forget, nobody outside of the right wing parties really wants Brexit to happen, including the EU, and for all the 'Corbyn whipped for it he loves it!!!' politicking his personal position was that he wanted to stay in with reforms. Which we might be able to get - negotiating with the EU on a deal for staying in, where they need to offer concessions to win the public over
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Jun 1, 2017 12:02
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Laradus posted:There's some good overview with links to relevant figures/further information here; Yeah I read that but it couldn't see much about countries exceeding their quotas? learnincurve were you talking about the exploitative but legal practice of quota hopping?
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Jun 1, 2017 12:03
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themrguy posted:Do people care who the economist endorses?
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Kurtofan posted:brexit means brexit *insanely high volume applause*
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Laradus posted:There's some good overview with links to relevant figures/further information here;
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Jun 1, 2017 12:06
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It's an article made up of platitudes because nobody has any idea what will happen after the UK leaves the EU, hth.
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Jun 1, 2017 12:11
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https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/870227734710157312 https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/870228467878645760 https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/870229670364631040 
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Jun 1, 2017 12:10
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Seaside Loafer posted:Anyone know much about the whole bother with fishing quotas? My know nothing man in the pub thought is surely even fisherman understand that its there for a reason, ie to not fish the fish to extinction so we can carry on fishing. Is there some sort of nationalistic annoyance, as in 'the bloody french get more and its decided from bloody brussels' etc. You're essentially asking if people understand the tragedy of the commons and regard foreigners as anything other than a scary boogyman who hates us. The answer is that they do not.
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Jun 1, 2017 12:11
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themrguy posted:Do people care who the economist endorses? How the hell can the logic be reasonable when a) it's the Economist and b) they end up endorsing the loving lib dems?
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Jun 1, 2017 12:11
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yes, olds, that's right, come join us socialist whipersnappers. we're having a party. We promise not to do too many dabs and only fidget our spinners a few times.
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Jun 1, 2017 12:14
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My knowledge was tangential when I worked in nature conservation years ago (so the information I saw was more related to sustainability) and it's a few years out of date now sadly. When I was working some of the issues off the top of my head were discards (which I believe they've taken steps to rectify), overcapacity, ignoring scientific recommendations (something which is pretty common in the environmental field in my experience) and the sheer bureaucracy of it which slows everything down.
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Jun 1, 2017 12:19
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Seaside Loafer posted:Anyone know much about the whole bother with fishing quotas? My know nothing man in the pub thought is surely even fisherman understand that its there for a reason, ie to not fish the fish to extinction so we can carry on fishing. Is there some sort of nationalistic annoyance, as in 'the bloody french get more and its decided from bloody brussels' etc. Oh god, you know that the Tories would absolutely start Cod War IV to try and win votes if they could get away with it. BRITANNIA RULES THE WAVES! 
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Jun 1, 2017 12:19
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If its a hung parliament I don't think a formal coalition is on the cards - of the minority parties I could only maybe see the Greens agreeing to join a formal coalition (which would probably just amount to appointing Lucas secretary of state for the environment). I don't think the Lib Dems want to tie themselves to the government that delivers Brexit
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Jun 1, 2017 12:21
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dispatch_async posted:https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/870227734710157312 If true, that should show up in the other pollsters polls. I'm vacillating wildly between hope and despair here.
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Jun 1, 2017 12:21
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kustomkarkommando posted:
lol the libdems will tie themselves to anything that gives them power
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Jun 1, 2017 12:21
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Jose posted:lol the libdems will tie themselves to anything that gives them power Nah I think the Brexit thing is kind of their niche now more so than "student loans!" ever was and honestly if its a hung parliament any sensible person would be prepping for another election within 2 years tops so you don't want to dump your whole angle before Brexit is done and dusted
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Jun 1, 2017 12:24
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Jose posted:lol the libdems will tie themselves to anything that gives them power I'm not sure that's true; they'll tie themselves to the Tories more easily than Labour, in any case, because the liberal is the natural ally of the fascist.
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Jun 1, 2017 12:24
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Politics is just people arguing about why they deserve more money to do less.
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Yvonmukluk posted:Well the Cod Wars were a thing, but Iceland's not an EU country (not that most of the kippers would bother to make the distinction). They are actually considering joining the EU, though. Unlikely, they froze their application to join the EU in 2013, semi-officially withdrew in 2015, and opinion polls show that the majority of the population don't want to join.
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