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On the narrative side of things, arn't those races supposed to have existed like millions of years ago? The game (or at least, the time in which the player plays in) just doesn't have that kind of scale. You win (or lose) in a few hundred years. What happens a million years from now is irrelevant
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Splicer posted:What kills me is my initial corvette exploration stage. I have in the past started a game, split them up, contemplated the 50+ clicks I was about to engage in, and closed the game to go play something else. "Go visit every system nearby I haven't visited" should not be that hard. I'm still not sure why people keep doing this to themselves. Sometimes I simulate a fleet maneuver by sending my ships to some nearby systems, but most of the time 2-3 science ships are enough for me. Including an optional fourth science ship later, I still tend to explore about half the galaxy in my first century. I suggest only doing weird stuff like corvette exploration in multiplayer, where finding new planets first can give you a major advantage.
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Jun 1, 2017 10:00
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Yeah, that's fair. I'm just a sort of hosed up dork about 4x games, where I kind of wish that entropy in general was a bit better represented. Stellaris actually got a bit close, and it felt pretty cool; I had a space battle that utterly tanked two bloated navies to space dust, and from then on, the game had almost a post-high-water mark aspect to it, since nothing was ever going to hit that scale of conflict again; that fleet took hundreds of years to build, it wasn't ever going to get that size again. Even the endgame crisis didn't hit that sort of scale. It's kind of a cool sort of aesthetic/sense that isn't really touched on at all in these kinds of games, which generally go in a one way exponential-growth style progression in terms of scale/technology/population. Stagflation is cool. Decline is cool.
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Jun 1, 2017 10:01
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Things aren't really in decline either. It's kinda actually the opposite. You're playing as an up-and-comer species in a galaxy full of up-and-comers. The Fallen Empires are empires that just sorta secured their territory and decided to stop expanding or interacting with their contemporaries and ended up a stagnating, despite their incredible technology.
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Jun 1, 2017 10:03
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Libluini posted:I'm still not sure why people keep doing this to themselves. Sometimes I simulate a fleet maneuver by sending my ships to some nearby systems, but most of the time 2-3 science ships are enough for me. In general a significant boost who's only real balancing factor is a players' tolerance for tedium is bad game design. It's why you're forced to use sectors after a certain amount of planets, and unlocking extra planets costs various resources.
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Jun 1, 2017 11:27
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New dev diary on crises: https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/stellaris-dev-diary-72-crises-the-contingency.1026439/ The new AI crisis looks much more interesting, and I like the idea of mid-game crises becoming more prevalent.
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Jun 1, 2017 11:39
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Splicer posted:Even ignoring that an intel advantage is still useful in single player, early vette exploration leaves you absolutely swimming in influence and allows you to finish the habitable worlds chain way earlier. It would be less tedious if sensor sideswipes persisted so you didn't have to actively visit each system. Well, I never needed corvette exploration to cap out my influence in the early game.  It's not that it doesn't give an advantage, but this is the kind of "boost" which is mostly psychological. As long as you aren't competing with real humans, who may not know about this or will use this knowledge against you, it's entirely pointless if you don't want to do it. What would even be the method to prevent this "tedious" game design? Forbidding players to move their non-science ships into unknown systems? Disable sensor sweeps for non-science ships in un-explored systems? Whatever I can think of, it seems to be insane. The next step of course would be to just make your PC crash if you expand too fast. To relieve the "tedium" of video games. 
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Jun 1, 2017 12:40
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In terms of pie in the sky features I'd wish I had, a way to fire / clear out the leader pool of available dudes. Make me spend influence on it, it's fine. I just don't need another 5 dudes that all have the tile blocker bonus when I've got mastery of nature and have already cleared out all my planets of tile blockers.
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Jun 1, 2017 12:52
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GenericOverusedName posted:In terms of pie in the sky features I'd wish I had, a way to fire / clear out the leader pool of available dudes. Make me spend influence on it, it's fine. I just don't need another 5 dudes that all have the tile blocker bonus when I've got mastery of nature and have already cleared out all my planets of tile blockers. Cant you hire the tile blocker guy and then fire them?
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Jun 1, 2017 13:13
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Aethernet posted:New dev diary on crises: That looks significantly more interesting than what we've got now
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Jun 1, 2017 13:37
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The reason I send corvettes out to scout is so my science vessels don't get eaten by the Ether Drake or Dimensional Horror or some huge space critter fleet.
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Jun 1, 2017 14:10
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Libluini posted:Well, I never needed corvette exploration to cap out my influence in the early game. Some manner of patrol or drag-select option would be ideal. Ignoring that, one of the tedium multipliers with corvette exploration is that if your ship is within sensor range of a system the habitable planet icons and such will pop up (good) but will vanish again when you move out of range (bad). If you actually visit the system the icons persist. If the icons revealed by drivebys also persisted it would cut down on a hell of a lot of the micro. Libluini posted:It's not that it doesn't give an advantage, but this is the kind of "boost" which is mostly psychological. As long as you aren't competing with real humans, who may not know about this or will use this knowledge against you, it's entirely pointless if you don't want to do it.
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Jun 1, 2017 14:19
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GunnerJ posted:The reason I send corvettes out to scout is so my science vessels don't get eaten by the Ether Drake or Dimensional Horror or some huge space critter fleet. For me, this danger is part of the fun. Generally, I tend to lose 2-3 science ships on average per playthrough and 1-2 scientists (sometimes I get lucky and can pause and transfer them out before the ship gets locked into combat). I can imagine being annoyed if your scientists are too unlucky, of course. Personally, I just don't care enough about their wellbeing.
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Jun 1, 2017 14:21
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It's less their wellbeing I care about than the hassle of replacing them, especially when they've leveled up a bunch and I need five-star scientists for some research projects.
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Jun 1, 2017 14:24
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Splicer posted:If your influence is maxing out you're underspending on policies/edicts/leaders/expansion! OK, I was being overly dramatic, I'm not literally capping out my influence all the time. Generally, there are lots of times when my influence runs on fumes. Especially because I like to play on what I call "desert settings", with low empire counts and planets drastically reduced, which means I'm spending a lot of time planting down expensive frontier outposts. GunnerJ posted:It's less their wellbeing I care about than the hassle of replacing them, especially when they've leveled up a bunch and I need five-star scientists for some research projects. I have always 3-4 scientists running around, even with space monsters and old age taking them down, chances are at least one fiver survives. The rest is just filed under "poo poo happens" and a mental shrug. Edit: Really, the more I think about this, this is less a difference in opinions and more a difference in playstyles. So it's all good.
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Jun 1, 2017 14:47
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ChickenWing posted:That looks significantly more interesting than what we've got now Yeah. One thing I would really like is some tweak to how the gently caress they kick off. As it stands every single game I am getting the unbidden. As far as I can tell there are a couple of main reasons for this: 1) synthetics are annoying and easy to avoid. It looks like they are addressing this, which is good. 2) the engine tech that starts the unbidden crisis isn't exactly rare and holy poo poo it's over-powered compared to other modes of transport. It's uniformly better and, once you get a large empire where you might need to move your fleets across space quickly, almost necessary.
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Jun 1, 2017 14:59
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Cyrano4747 posted:Yeah. We have statistics on this, and it's almost exactly equally balanced between Swarm and Unbidden in public games right now. It's just luck, or lack thereof.
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Jun 1, 2017 15:26
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No kidding? Huh. Is there anything I can do to tip the balance? I've played maybe 10 games through to completion since the last expansion and gotten unbidden every single time. Edit: no mods so that's not the hang up.
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Jun 1, 2017 15:29
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I have never, ever seen the swarm or AI.
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Jun 1, 2017 15:30
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I used to only see the Scourge, now I mostly see the Unbidden. Never seen AI revolt, from all accounts I'm glad I haven't.
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Jun 1, 2017 15:32
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I've seen about 50/50 swarm and unbidden but I've never seen the AI even when trying to trigger that event. Glad it's getting a bit of a revamp. Cyrano4747, do you always go for the jump drive tech that triggers the unbidden? Depending on how quickly you're picking it up your games might be skewed in a way that isn't the case for people who ignore the tech the first few times they see it.
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Jun 1, 2017 15:33
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Aethernet posted:New dev diary on crises: I feel like there should be an option (single-player only I guess) for a player empire that has ascended into a fully robotic society to take over the AI rebellion empire. Basically let the player turn into the AI endgame crisis if they want.
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Jun 1, 2017 15:33
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I wish there was more crisis variety in general. They're all basically the same thing and have been made redundant by awakened empires filling the role of "dudes with a giant fleet who show up in the late game".
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Jun 1, 2017 15:34
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Grand Fromage posted:I wish there was more crisis variety in general. They're all basically the same thing and have been made redundant by awakened empires filling the role of "dudes with a giant fleet who show up in the late game". Tbh there's only so many variations on a theme you can deliver within the framework of the game. One crisis appears at the edge of the galaxy, one appears in the middle, and this new one will manifest on worlds with synths, I assume. Aside from giant fleets, it's really difficult to see how you'd make a crisis feel meaningful - something like a plague would only be interesting with a greater emphasis on civilian & trade mechanics than the game currently allows.
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Jun 1, 2017 15:46
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Man, I don't know how you guys even get to end game. By midgame I get bored and just start over.
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Jun 1, 2017 15:51
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Plagues would make sense too, considering one of the precursor civilizations died from plague. Also, I'm a dirty cheater, but I sometimes give my scientists who are out exploring some of the admiral traits that increase move speed. Gale Speed, Void Hunter, or Dimensional Stutter.
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Cyrano4747 posted:No kidding? Huh. Is there anything I can do to tip the balance? Unbidden was bugged to show up 90% of the time before 1.6. Now it's fixed though.
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Chalks posted:I've seen about 50/50 swarm and unbidden but I've never seen the AI even when trying to trigger that event. Glad it's getting a bit of a revamp. We intentionally aren't fixing spawn rate of AI crisis because it's terrible. We'll sort out the spawn rate along with the replacement.
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Jun 1, 2017 15:55
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Doctor Reynolds posted:Anyone got some cool custom civs to play as? I've been enjoying making my own, but I'd like to see what people are coming up with! Here is the race I enjoyed playing the most, not only do I like 'em they were the first race of mine that the Worm loved too. As an AI empire pre-Banks the spawned as a Migratory Flock, now they are mostly Spiritual Seekers.  I was not really expecting how much influence that combo of civics would get me. Its fairly easy to please all three of your main factions all the time. I could spam frontier outposts like crazy. Once I ran out of room to peacefully expand I went the Liberate>Vassalize>Integrate route but a federation would work too. Has anyone else played an empire whose civics weren't the most obvious, but which combo-ed really well?
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Doctor Reynolds posted:Anyone got some cool custom civs to play as? I've been enjoying making my own, but I'd like to see what people are coming up with! Cease to Hope posted:extremely adaptable is kind of OP right now, and sedentary and repugnant are more or less free trait points. the other negative traits actually hurt. your traits only really matter for the early game unless you're not conquering your neighbors, though.
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Grand Fromage posted:I wish there was more crisis variety in general. They're all basically the same thing and have been made redundant by awakened empires filling the role of "dudes with a giant fleet who show up in the late game". The problem is that building big fleets and crashing them into someone else's big fleets is basically the only adversarial challenge in the game, and there isn't even much room for differing tactics or behavior due to the hands-off combat system. The current AI rebellion was an attempt at crisis variety, but it's getting cut and replaced by a more conventional crisis because the mechanics simply aren't there to support any other approach.
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Jun 1, 2017 17:10
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Liberation wars pisses off your pacifist faction, right? That's a little annoying. I guess you could rival and diplo-spam insults and hope they declare war on you.
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Digital Osmosis posted:Liberation wars pisses off your pacifist faction, right? That's a little annoying. I guess you could rival and diplo-spam insults and hope they declare war on you. Since the pacifist faction is also the prosperity faction, it's usually not too hard to keep them at least somewhat happy even during a war. So usually it's not a big deal if you have an energy stockpile and some strategic resources, etc.
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JuniperCake posted:Since the pacifist faction is also the prosperity faction, it's usually not too hard to keep them at least somewhat happy even during a war. So usually it's not a big deal if you have an energy stockpile and some strategic resources, etc. This is sort of true, unless you're a pacifist xenophobe then you get the Isolationist faction. Their ethic is technically xenophobic, but their only demands are
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TGLT posted:This is sort of true, unless you're a pacifist xenophobe then you get the Isolationist faction. Their ethic is technically xenophobic, but their only demands are closed borders and peace. I think you can get both of those factions can't you?
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Aethernet posted:Tbh there's only so many variations on a theme you can deliver within the framework of the game. One crisis appears at the edge of the galaxy, one appears in the middle, and this new one will manifest on worlds with synths, I assume. Aside from giant fleets, it's really difficult to see how you'd make a crisis feel meaningful - something like a plague would only be interesting with a greater emphasis on civilian & trade mechanics than the game currently allows. I think what he was driving at is that there needs to be more than just a giant fleet that shows up and you need to kill it in terms of a crisis. And I agree with both of you that they really do need more variety as the game just devolves into "okay you're really big now, time to just shoot everyone else" in the end. But in order to get the variety of crisis' that Formage wants we'd need the game to have its non-warfare related bits fleshed out. And that to me is honestly where the game is most lacking right now - everyone is complaining about fleet tactics and weapon balance issues but it's the part of the game I care about the least. I want to build an honest-to-god empire, not a collection of planets that exist to support a giant ball of ships. I'm not interested in planets being relaged to simple sliders so I can go singlehandedly captain every cruiser in the galaxy.
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JuniperCake posted:I think you can get both of those factions can't you? Looking at the wiki, Isolationist requirements only conflict with Supremacists, so yes you can get both. edit: Misread your post
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Man, I am loving excited to crank crisis strength up to probably at least 3x strength.
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Jun 1, 2017 21:34
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PittTheElder posted:Man, I am loving excited to crank crisis strength up to probably at least 3x strength. Right? I'm loving ready. I also suggested to Wiz on twitter that they add a checkbox to enable all crises in one game, probably not worth their trouble but would be nice to not need a mod.
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Yeah, as the polar opposite of that guy who restarts games constantly, I love huge maps and playing one empire forever so a multi-crisis clusterfuck several centuries in would be great.
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