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Is there a Vue app for the Shield?
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May 16, 2017 22:55
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Yes, it works pretty well from my week of playing around with it.
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May 16, 2017 22:58
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Krime posted:Is there a Vue app for the Shield? Yes. The Shield TV runs Android TV OS. The Vue app on Shield has the same features as the Fire TV and tvOS app. And just like those, the only thing they don't have he PS4 client has is multi-channel viewing.
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May 17, 2017 00:40
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before i do anything dumb, does adfree time still unblock netflix regions, or is that dead?
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May 24, 2017 03:16
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Jxforema posted:before i do anything dumb, does adfree time still unblock netflix regions, or is that dead? It still does that, yeah.
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May 24, 2017 03:45
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I just wanted to say that it bugs the crap out of me that sling is rebranding itself as "a la carte TV" but it's not at all.
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May 26, 2017 18:39
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Thanks to everyone for the FireTV / shield interface discussion upthread. I wound up getting a FireTV and so far it seems to be a massive improvement over the Roku, both in general and (especially) for PS Vue.
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May 27, 2017 17:40
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Annual Prophet posted:Thanks to everyone for the FireTV / shield interface discussion upthread. I wound up getting a FireTV and so far it seems to be a massive improvement over the Roku, both in general and (especially) for PS Vue. That is pretty much par for the course with all things Roku. They are quickly falling behind. From what I understand developing on Roku is a bit difficult anyways if you want a nice interface, and the relatively slow hardware likely doesn't help matters. IMHO, Android TV/FireTV and AppleTV are moving ahead, Roku just seems to be coasting along.
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May 28, 2017 07:52
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Directv Now is available on Roku now.
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May 31, 2017 00:42
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We finally bit the bullet after Comcast decided that they weren't charging us appropriately for our cablecard, and were going to increase our bill by $10/month. So, off with triple-play, going with pure internet now. We came close in the past, but we seem to be in a poo poo location for decent OTA coverage--my tests seemed to show that I'd have to point the antenna in 2-3 locations to get the 4-5 major OTA networks here. I do have a quick question...can a Tivo box that's new enough to have the built-in streaming apps for Netflix, Hulu, etc, still use those streaming apps if we cancel the Tivo sub? I can't really find much of a clear answer. If not, no biggie, the bluray player has apps and a Chromecast/FireTV/Roku is cheap, but if we don't need to switch...
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May 31, 2017 01:33
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wandler20 posted:Directv Now is available on Roku now. Thank God they matched the existing DTVnow UI and didn't try to build some half-assed Roku UI (looking at you HBO) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDJZ7fToLxk
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May 31, 2017 02:19
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so does watching HD cable TV as much bandwidth as streaming the same show? How come cable TV never has to buffer or anything?
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May 31, 2017 07:59
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Ein cooler Typ posted:so does watching HD cable TV as much bandwidth as streaming the same show? How come cable TV never has to buffer or anything? The way cable works is each node for a neighborhood (or street, or however it's divided in your area) is constantly tuning the most popular channels. When your tuner requests a channel the node sends that stream to it. If your tuner requests one that isn't on the set of channels, the node has to acquire the stream in order to send it to you (that's why some channels take longer to tune than others). There's no reason for there to be buffering because the streams are constantly there, just waiting for you to access them. That's basic and missing a lot of detail but you get the general idea. As for bandwidth, cable is very constrained so it's difficult to know exactly how much you're getting but it's certainly less that you'd see on DirecTV or OTA. Does that answer your questions?
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May 31, 2017 09:16
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LastInLine posted:The way cable works is each node for a neighborhood (or street, or however it's divided in your area) is constantly tuning the most popular channels. When your tuner requests a channel the node sends that stream to it. If your tuner requests one that isn't on the set of channels, the node has to acquire the stream in order to send it to you (that's why some channels take longer to tune than others). There's no reason for there to be buffering because the streams are constantly there, just waiting for you to access them. Eh, not quite. What you describe here is SDV (Switched Digital Video) and it's usually only used for OnDemand Channels (for providers that haven't switched to IP based OnDemand.) Some cable operators use it for linear channels, but it's not all that common with most providers (you know if you have to use a tuning adapter with TiVo.) In the vast majority of the cases, all channels are sent all the time to all homes. It's more akin to radio or cellular signal in the respect that each channel is modulated and combined with other channels on a chunk of frequency. Most cable systems use what's caused 256-QAM. 256-QAM divides spectrum to 6mhz channels each being able to transport 38.47 Mbit/s of data. The typical modern cable plant is 900mhz or 1ghz. So, for a 1ghz plant you would have about 165 QAM channels each capable of carrying 38.47mbps of data. A chunk of those channels are reserved for internet data. Here's also where cable Nodes come into play since how many households those reserved channels serve determine how congested things are. For the rest of linear cable, it's pretty simple. Each transport stream is modulated with others on one of those 6mhz channels. How many channels they stick on each 6mhz channel is what they call "QAM stuffing" and is what leads to lower image quality. If you stuff 5 MPEG2 channels on one QAM channel (not uncommon in cable) each MPEG2 stream only has a little over 7mbps to breath which really isn't enough for 1080i MPEG2. By contrast, a 1080p stream on Netflix is about 5.5mbps, but it's MPEG4.
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May 31, 2017 13:24
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stevewm posted:That is pretty much par for the course with all things Roku. They are quickly falling behind. From what I understand developing on Roku is a bit difficult anyways if you want a nice interface, and the relatively slow hardware likely doesn't help matters. Does Roku make any money off anything purchased via their hardware? It seems like they're destined to fail because Apple, Google, and Amazon make money from content as well as hardware. My old Roku LT is still doing duty at my mom's house. Which is great for longevity, but sucks for Roku since they make zero dollars unless you buy more units.
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May 31, 2017 14:07
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Roku is an AD network company first. The hardware is just a means to deliver ads.
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May 31, 2017 14:22
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Which service would give me the most fool proof setup on my Shield? I'm trying out PS Vue but I'm not impressed. I'm using a logitech remote to control it and the interface is laggy as heck and the layout makes no sense. I can't find a way to quickly switch between shows or exit the app without grabbing a keyboard. I wouldn't mind buying a new remote if it meant I could get this to be a bit easier to use but I'd rather not get another device (like a roku or fire tv).
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May 31, 2017 16:05
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bull3964 posted:Roku is an AD network company first. The hardware is just a means to deliver ads. ???? They have like a single poster sized space on the homepage for ads or content already on the device, like Hulu or HBO. They make most of their money selling devices. Maybe some selling analytics data. Certainly not ads.
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May 31, 2017 16:10
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Horn posted:Which service would give me the most fool proof setup on my Shield? I'm trying out PS Vue but I'm not impressed. I'm using a logitech remote to control it and the interface is laggy as heck and the layout makes no sense. I can't find a way to quickly switch between shows or exit the app without grabbing a keyboard. Is the lag just in the PS Vue app, or is it all over the Shield? I use a harmony remote paired over bluetooth to my Shield 2017 (didn't come with IR so I have to use bluetooth) and there's no lag between my button presses and the actions on screen.
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May 31, 2017 16:15
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FCKGW posted:???? Over 25% (and growing) of their revenue comes from their ad network and data analytics. Hardware is currently the majority of the revenue, but it's been shrinking for awhile. The forward business model is their ad network with platform licensing to TV manufacturers.
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May 31, 2017 16:19
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Yeah, I just looked up what types of ads people are getting and it looks like they have an ad network that channel makers can utilize to insert ads at channel launch or any time during. None of my frequently used channel apps have these ads so I guess I've just never really seen them.
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May 31, 2017 16:29
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This is, ultimately, where I think Roku is going to crater. They are essentially going up directly against Google. Right now, their financials are strong, but their platform is quickly becoming the odd man out with the only saving grace being able to make a channel quickly. However, when you do that you get a very ugly channel. So, if a service wants cohesive branding across all platforms, Roku represents a significant investment when the provider can simply target iOS and Android and hit the majority of the market (including Amazon devices.)
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May 31, 2017 16:41
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Roku doesn't give a poo poo about in home stuff anymore, they are a digital signage company now (see Bright sign)
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May 31, 2017 16:42
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FCKGW posted:Yeah, I just looked up what types of ads people are getting and it looks like they have an ad network that channel makers can utilize to insert ads at channel launch or any time during. I've never seen that and I use a ton of the most popular apps. I have a hard time believing that. On the other hand we're all probably forgetting that Fandango BS in the menu that we have all probably turned off in settings long ago and forgotten about.
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May 31, 2017 16:46
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Croatoan posted:I have a hard time believing that. The financials are a matter of public record, so it's not really a matter of belief.
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May 31, 2017 17:11
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chocolateTHUNDER posted:Is the lag just in the PS Vue app, or is it all over the Shield? I use a harmony remote paired over bluetooth to my Shield 2017 (didn't come with IR so I have to use bluetooth) and there's no lag between my button presses and the actions on screen. The slowness is just in the app. The weird thing is that I tried using a keyboard that's hooked up and its a bit faster. The rest of the shield is totally fine with IR (but all I really use are youtube and SPMC). Are you also using PS Vue? The channel lineup and pricing are perfect for me so I'm willing to jump through a few hoops if I can this thing to be more natural to use.
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May 31, 2017 17:55
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Horn posted:The slowness is just in the app. The weird thing is that I tried using a keyboard that's hooked up and its a bit faster. The rest of the shield is totally fine with IR (but all I really use are youtube and SPMC). Nah, no streaming cable stuff. Was just wondering if the slow responsive was system-wide or specific to the Vue app.
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May 31, 2017 18:48
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bull3964 posted:The financials are a matter of public record, so it's not really a matter of belief. No I believe their revenue is ad based, I just have never seen an ad load when I launch an app and doubt that's where their ad revenue is coming from. Way to get weirdly defensive though?
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May 31, 2017 18:56
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bull3964 posted:Eh, not quite. What you describe here is SDV (Switched Digital Video) and it's usually only used for OnDemand Channels (for providers that haven't switched to IP based OnDemand.) Some cable operators use it for linear channels, but it's not all that common with most providers (you know if you have to use a tuning adapter with TiVo.) Thanks for the clarification. In my area it was all SDV the last time I looked (and that was a long time ago, maybe ten years?) so I wasn't sure if anything had changed but suspected it probably had. I don't know anyone with cable television so it's easy for me to fall behind with what's actually deployed.
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May 31, 2017 19:37
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Horn posted:The slowness is just in the app. The weird thing is that I tried using a keyboard that's hooked up and its a bit faster. The rest of the shield is totally fine with IR (but all I really use are youtube and SPMC). In my experience, the Apple TV is the fastest of them all, with the PS4 coming in a close second. Shield TV/Fire TV 4K are both the slowest to launch, but seem to act normally once launched.
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Jun 1, 2017 12:33
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This looks interesting: https://twitter.com/engadget/status/870299218254155777
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Jun 1, 2017 16:28
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If you have an HDHomeRun and have PLEX Pass, the DVR is now officially out of beta (even in beta it works extraordinarily well). They've also added being able to watch live OTA as a Beta feature for PLEX Pass. Personally, I got rid of my Hulu subscription once I started using the DVR function on my PLEX server. https://arstechnica.com/business/2017/06/got-an-antenna-and-a-tuner-you-can-now-stream-live-tv-with-plex/
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Jun 1, 2017 16:32
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wandler20 posted:This looks interesting: Reading over the specs of this, I wouldn't be thrilled to fork over $250 for a DVR that only has 64GB of internal storage. And then there's a $5 a month subscription cost for the guide data. For that kind of money, you could get a decently versatile NAS setup with a Plex-like DVR system. Well, maybe not. It might be worth it if you don't want to buy a separate tuner like a HDHomeRun since it has a dual tuner built in.
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Jun 1, 2017 16:52
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People love recommending Tablo but every first hand account I've heard of owning one makes it sound second-rate as hell. In other news, though, Plex is adding Live TV for Plex Pass users. I already use the DVR on my Xbox One, live channel viewing should be nice for my phone.
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Jun 1, 2017 17:04
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Thwomp posted:Reading over the specs of this, I wouldn't be thrilled to fork over $250 for a DVR that only has 64GB of internal storage. And then there's a $5 a month subscription cost for the guide data. Well, no, with that kind of money you just buy a drat Tivo for OTA.
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Jun 1, 2017 17:04
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Just use Emby, gently caress Plex.
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Jun 1, 2017 17:23
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Actually, Plex is good.
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Jun 1, 2017 17:49
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TheScott2K posted:Actually, Plex is good. Did they ever fix AC3 and all the other audio issues? Also Emby has been doing Live TV for a long time
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Jun 1, 2017 17:54
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Photex posted:Did they ever fix AC3 and all the other audio issues? Also Emby has been doing Live TV for a long time I haven't heard audio complaints in a long time, so I'm guessing yes. My main client DirectPlays pretty much everything so no issues here. You'd think that during Emby's "long time" of tuning live TV they'd have come up with a TV tuner setup process that wasnt a total nightmare for 99% of humans. I could walk my mom through setting up Plex.
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TheScott2K posted:I haven't heard audio complaints in a long time, so I'm guessing yes. My main client DirectPlays pretty much everything so no issues here. My HDHomeRun was automatically detected and worked right out of the box with Emby?
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