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BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
Hillary bad

go away Hillary and begone

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Toadvine
Mar 16, 2009
Please disregard my advice w/r/t history.

VikingSkull posted:

you know, I don't think this Hillary Clinton lady is very nice

She's a sore loser with friends in media places

http://www.npr.org/2017/06/01/530941011/clinton-says-she-was-right-about-vast-russia-conspiracy-investigations-ongoing


quote:

Clinton Says She Was 'Right' About 'Vast Russia Conspiracy'; Investigations Ongoing

Former Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton argued Wednesday that Russian meddling in the 2016 election in large part cost her the White House, and said she was "leaning" toward believing that President Trump's campaign did, indeed, collude with the Russians.

During an interview at Recode's Code Conference, Clinton argued that the Russians "could not have known how best to weaponize" damaging information about her campaign and fake news stories perpetrated on social media unless they had been "guided" by Americans.

Multiple investigations into potential ties between Trump associates and Russia, as well as Russian interference in the U.S. election, are ongoing.

Clinton's latest comments continue a postelection emergence in which the former Democratic nominee continues to point fingers for her loss, though other accounts of the Clinton campaign have put more fault in her corner.

Trump tweeted Wednesday night that she "blamed everybody but herself, refuses to say she was a terrible candidate."

Clinton's response: "People in covfefe houses shouldn't throw covfefe."

Edit: seriously, read this article for primo pouting

quote:

But on Wednesday she unleashed her harshest blame yet against her own party, claiming the Democratic National Committee was vastly unprepared for the 2016 election when it came to data-gathering compared to the GOP's robust operation.

"I set up my campaign and we have our own data operation. I get the nomination, so I'm now the nominee of the Democratic Party. I inherited nothing from the Democratic Party," she said.

Toadvine fucked around with this message at 14:48 on Jun 1, 2017

VikingSkull
Jan 23, 2017
Look Viking you're a trash Trump supporter what the fuck makes you think you can have an avatar that isn't what I decide? Shut your fucking trap and go away. Your trolling is tiresome and just shits up the forum.
"Sergei, we have information on this Clinton"

"What do we do with it Ivan?"

"I do not know"

*phone rings, it's a shadowy American*

"Release it to the press"

"Da, is good idea"

Saint Drogo
Dec 26, 2011

Toadvine posted:

I read this article at the gym and it's bad for forcing the narrative of Hillary as a sensitive human woman beleaguered by Russia, Wikileaks, Comey, Sexism (the article literally says "you can't deny the role sexism played in keeping a woman from getting elected")

It's good at setting the tone for her next campaign for the same reasons. Personally I hope she runs for mayor of NYC so I can work directly in my community to prevent her win
:madmax:
tbf a male candidate terrible in all the same ways might have won

tb equally f that doesn't stop her sucking donkey balls.

Riot Bimbo
Dec 28, 2006


A different and less known to be terrible woman could have won too to be fair

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

Toadvine posted:

She's a sore loser with friends in media places

http://www.npr.org/2017/06/01/530941011/clinton-says-she-was-right-about-vast-russia-conspiracy-investigations-ongoing


Edit: seriously, read this article for primo pouting
https://twitter.com/Jacob606/status/870206259869437952

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014


He's going to commit suicide by shooting himself in the back of the head twice.

Dr. Carwash
Sep 16, 2006

Senpai...

basic hitler posted:

A different and less known to be terrible woman could have won too to be fair

I think Michelle Obama probably would have trounced Trump.

EugeneJ
Feb 5, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
https://twitter.com/imwiththoughts/status/870284469500030976

RaySmuckles
Oct 14, 2009


:vapes:
Grimey Drawer

that's some good poo poo right there

CharlestonJew
Jul 7, 2011

Illegal Hen
FOUR MORE YEARS
FOUR MORE YEARS

VikingSkull
Jan 23, 2017
Look Viking you're a trash Trump supporter what the fuck makes you think you can have an avatar that isn't what I decide? Shut your fucking trap and go away. Your trolling is tiresome and just shits up the forum.
if she runs again and Trump wins I might seriously die of laughter

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

VikingSkull posted:

if she runs again and Trump wins I might seriously die of laughter

I remember all this idiocy the day after election. I had to stay away from FB for a few days to avoid posting on friends pages.

T.S. Smelliot
Apr 23, 2010

by FactsAreUseless

VikingSkull posted:

if she runs again and Trump wins I might seriously die of laughter

Holy poo poo you levelled up

T.S. Smelliot
Apr 23, 2010

by FactsAreUseless

spacetoaster posted:

I remember all this idiocy the day after election. I had to stay away from FB for a few days to avoid posting on friends pages.



Drinking all those tears was like nectar, if I need a pick me up I just read any DnD thread from November and it's endless lols all over again

VikingSkull
Jan 23, 2017
Look Viking you're a trash Trump supporter what the fuck makes you think you can have an avatar that isn't what I decide? Shut your fucking trap and go away. Your trolling is tiresome and just shits up the forum.

T.S. Smelliot posted:

Drinking all those tears was like nectar, if I need a pick me up I just read any DnD thread from November and it's endless lols all over again

reading the election thread is like witnessing the opening of an interdimensional rift and it owns

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


EugeneJ posted:

Ages of potential candidates if they are elected in 2020:

Cory Booker: 51
Mike Pence: 61
Andrew Cuomo: 62
Elizabeth Warren: 71
Hillary Clinton: 73
Donald Trump: 74
Joe Biden: 77
Bernie Sanders: 79

lmao pence is only in his 50s? the dark side really does age you hideously.

rezatahs
Jun 9, 2001

by Smythe

rip

sword_man.gif
Apr 12, 2007

Fun Shoe

Saint Drogo posted:

tbf a male candidate terrible in all the same ways might have won

tb equally f that doesn't stop her sucking donkey balls.

some college did a study where they took a hillary/trump debate and swapped the genders, and the consenseus from the students was that femtrump came off as really in control and powerful and appealing whereas male hillary was like a lying weasel

http://www.nyu.edu/about/news-publications/news/2017/march/trump-clinton-debates-gender-reversal.html

quote:

Salvatore says he and Guadalupe began the project assuming that the gender inversion would confirm what they’d each suspected watching the real-life debates: that Trump’s aggression—his tendency to interrupt and attack—would never be tolerated in a woman, and that Clinton’s competence and preparedness would seem even more convincing coming from a man.

But the lessons about gender that emerged in rehearsal turned out to be much less tidy. What was Jonathan Gordon smiling about all the time? And didn’t he seem a little stiff, tethered to rehearsed statements at the podium, while Brenda King, plainspoken and confident, freely roamed the stage?

quote:

We heard a lot of “now I understand how this happened”—meaning how Trump won the election. People got upset. There was a guy two rows in front of me who was literally holding his head in his hands, and the person with him was rubbing his back. The simplicity of Trump’s message became easier for people to hear when it was coming from a woman—that was a theme. One person said, “I’m just so struck by how precise Trump’s technique is.” Another—a musical theater composer, actually—said that Trump created “hummable lyrics,” while Clinton talked a lot, and everything she was was true and factual, but there was no “hook” to it. Another theme was about not liking either candidate—you know, “I wouldn’t vote for either one.” Someone said that Jonathan Gordon [the male Hillary Clinton] was “really punchable” because of all the smiling. And a lot of people were just very surprised by the way it upended their expectations about what they thought they would feel or experience. There was someone who described Brenda King [the female Donald Trump] as his Jewish aunt who would take care of him, even though he might not like his aunt. Someone else described her as the middle school principal who you don’t like, but you know is doing good things for you.

quote:

I was surprised by how critical I was seeing [Clinton] on a man’s body, and also by the fact that I didn’t find Trump’s behavior on a woman to be off-putting. I remember turning to Maria at one point in the rehearsals and saying, "I kind of want to have a beer with her!" The majority of my extended family voted for Trump. In some ways, I developed empathy for people who voted for him by doing this project, which is not what I was expecting. I expected it to make me more angry at them, but it gave me an understanding of what they might have heard or experienced when he spoke.

sword_man.gif fucked around with this message at 16:21 on Jun 1, 2017

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

sword_man.gif posted:

some college did a study where they took a hillary/trump debate and swapped the genders, and the consenseus from the students was that femtrump came off as really in control and powerful and appealing whereas male hillary was like a lying weasel


The dude totally nails Hillary. Holy cow.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yC7-JsR2Fk

sword_man.gif
Apr 12, 2007

Fun Shoe
the bottom line winds up being that despite trump and hillary being evil dipshits, trump was miles ahead in the treat-this-like-a-reality-show game which is what the election has become all about.

he was better at the game. the end. no moral.

Blue Train
Jun 17, 2012

spacetoaster posted:

The dude totally nails Hillary. Holy cow.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yC7-JsR2Fk

Yea he gets her smug condescension down perfectly it's insane

Rockman Reserve
Oct 2, 2007

"Carbons? Purge? What are you talking about?!"

http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/01/politics/hillary-clinton-2016/index.html

More media needs to call her out for this.

nigga crab pollock
Mar 26, 2010

by Lowtax

spacetoaster posted:

He's going to commit suicide by shooting himself in the back of the head twice.

he's gonna zip himself into a duffel bag and roll into a quarry

The Human Crouton
Sep 20, 2002

spacetoaster posted:

The dude totally nails Hillary. Holy cow.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yC7-JsR2Fk

Both of those people are awesome.

Toadvine
Mar 16, 2009
Please disregard my advice w/r/t history.

Dang Cilliza, we hardly knew ye

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014



it just sucks that the guy who wrote that is a huge moron in general.

VikingSkull
Jan 23, 2017
Look Viking you're a trash Trump supporter what the fuck makes you think you can have an avatar that isn't what I decide? Shut your fucking trap and go away. Your trolling is tiresome and just shits up the forum.
CNN still running with "meddled in the election" even though the election itself was untouched and "DNC email hack" even though it was info gained through phishing

when the general populace is generally ignorant of the technical details, you can craft whatever narrative you want to

JIZZ DENOUEMENT
Oct 3, 2012

STRIKE!

Homestar Runner posted:

not sure where else to post this so i guess here will do :shrug:


listen just loving listen to Elizabeth Warren's non-answer on why she didn't endorse Bernie (who would have won btw)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeeAoIZ8XfA

oh and her progressive take on the DNC's priorities moving forward?

"Russia!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dGQn7LmV7E

lmao gently caress the DNC

Honestly this hurts most. Warren has so done so much malarkey and yet is perceived (and perhaps accurately so) as the second most progressive Senator in the democratic party. A sad state of affairs.

RaySmuckles
Oct 14, 2009


:vapes:
Grimey Drawer

JIZZ DENOUEMENT posted:

Honestly this hurts most. Warren has so done so much malarkey and yet is perceived (and perhaps accurately so) as the second most progressive Senator in the democratic party. A sad state of affairs.

the problem with warren is that she's a technical specialist. she is the absolute best in one subject matter and that one subject matter happens to be incredibly important and relevant. unfortunately she is not nearly as good at anything beyond her one area of expertise and it shows.

she toes the party line a lot and i wonder how much of it is because her one area of expertise is already on the knife's edge of acceptable democratic positions.

Toplowtech
Aug 31, 2004

spacetoaster posted:

The dude totally nails Hillary. Holy cow.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yC7-JsR2Fk
That poo poo is great and point out the main reason of the current russian nonsense: it must be the russian hackers or otherwise it was clinton's fault. And a lot of people after the "you are either with hillary or you are a misogynist scum" campaign can't bring themselves to admit the reason she lost was mostly her poor performance during the whole campaign. Male clinton's "go buy my book' answer was a weak,arrogant answer but no one would have problems calling him a weakling arrogant dickhead who is going to lose the election because there will be no "you are a loving woman hating pig" non-answer when you do that. At this point i think there need to be a whole genderswap movie about the campaign, to have most people admit she was a terrible candidate.

Toplowtech fucked around with this message at 17:34 on Jun 1, 2017

EugeneJ
Feb 5, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

Toplowtech posted:

That poo poo is great and point out the main reason of the current russian nonsense: it must be the russian hackers or otherwise it was clinton's fault. And a lot of people after the "you are either with hillary or you are a misogynist scum" campaign can bring themselves to admit the reason she lost was mostly her poor performance. Male clinton's "go buy my book' answer was a weak,arrogant answer but no one would have problems calling him a weakling arrogant dickhead who is going to lose the election because there will be no "you are a loving woman hating pig" non-answer when you do that.

Hillary's "go read about it on my website" non-answer during debates was so god drat cringey

nigga crab pollock
Mar 26, 2010

by Lowtax

spacetoaster posted:

The dude totally nails Hillary. Holy cow.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yC7-JsR2Fk

the best thing about this video is that it was created specifically to prove that if hillary was a man she would have won the debate and sexism caused idiot drumpf to win and presented as such and it illustrates the exact opposite point they were trying to make better than anyone could have made purposefully

sword_man.gif
Apr 12, 2007

Fun Shoe

nigga crab pollock posted:

the best thing about this video is that it was created specifically to prove that if hillary was a man she would have won the debate and sexism caused idiot drumpf to win and presented as such and it illustrates the exact opposite point they were trying to make better than anyone could have made purposefully

the greatest part of the article is when he talks about the rehearseals and how unappealing male clinton was compared to female trump and he starts going "wuh oh!!"

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


VikingSkull posted:

CNN still running with "meddled in the election" even though the election itself was untouched and "DNC email hack" even though it was info gained through phishing

when the general populace is generally ignorant of the technical details, you can craft whatever narrative you want to

lol like 99 percent of hacking is social engineering duder.

VikingSkull
Jan 23, 2017
Look Viking you're a trash Trump supporter what the fuck makes you think you can have an avatar that isn't what I decide? Shut your fucking trap and go away. Your trolling is tiresome and just shits up the forum.

Groovelord Neato posted:

lol like 99 percent of hacking is social engineering duder.

well I know that and you know that but the point is most of America doesn't

so it's easy for the news to paint it as some technological feat to rubes in order to push a narrative

Panzeh
Nov 27, 2006

"..The high ground"
Female trump probably takes some of the edge off his worst sensibilities as well.

BTW, in Shattered, Hillary actually reportedly had someone who did a wonderful trump impression to do mock debates with her, but she took the wrong lesson from it, I think. She wasn't rattled, but she didn't change her approach at all. She just did what she was going to do.

Had she actually responded to the weird poo poo trump did in the debates, even if it's just an exasperated look or a glare, it might have put him on the defensive and rattled him, but she chose to just let him do his thing which made it just seem zany.

Panzeh fucked around with this message at 17:54 on Jun 1, 2017

TheWeepingHorse
Nov 20, 2009

My favorite part of the reenactment is when some Hillfolk still double down after seeing the performance. Vague comments about how women are socialized to smile, which, okay, on that sub-issue you're not wrong in a general sense, but individual people, whether women or men, figure out how to control their body language so as to appear human. Clinton always seemed dreamy, reserved, and ironic, like she couldn't believe that anybody could reasonably expect her to defend herself, or even to promote herself.

HILLARYYYYY

nigga crab pollock
Mar 26, 2010

by Lowtax
the sad thing is there are goons that have fallen for it even though you'd think that being a goon would give you the requisite knowledge necessary that some russian malware on some election official's computer in florida is not evidence that putin personally called up some shady russian mob fucks in siberia to remotely infect someone's computer and even if they did how do you expect to influence the outcome of an election with spyware on a computer

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nigga crab pollock
Mar 26, 2010

by Lowtax

Panzeh posted:

Female trump probably takes some of the edge off his worst sensibilities as well.

BTW, in Shattered, Hillary actually reportedly had someone who did a wonderful trump impression to do mock debates with her, but she took the wrong lesson from it, I think. She wasn't rattled, but she didn't change her approach at all. She just did what she was going to do.

Had she actually responded to the weird poo poo trump did in the debates, even if it's just an exasperated look or a glare, it might have put him on the defensive and rattled him, but she chose to just let him do his thing which made it just seem zany.

lol

this is why the hillary train keeps on delivering

she rehearsed the questions provided to her in advance dozens of times, had the debate moderators side with her so obviously it's impossible for even the most stringent hillary supporter to say that the debates were impartial, had the full support of the media after the fact to cheerlead how incredibly she won the debate and how poorly trump performed, and on top of all that they literally paid some guy in an orange wig probably millions of dollars to do an impersonation of trump to practice against

and she still got owned by an idiot that didn't prepare at all :hmbol:

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