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Rodyle posted:
Changing my vote to this (mostly to steal their colonial territories in the Caribbean).
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Snipee posted:Changing my vote to this (mostly to steal their colonial territories in the Caribbean). Hmm...that's a good point, actually. I like being able to expand our colonial holdings, whether by conquest or colonization. And they have got some nice spots.
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Policies: TildeATH posted:Proposing Olé -- Conquer Iberia first and foremost and then take back historically Muslim lands like Corsica TildeATH, Erwin the German, Dick Trauma, RZApublican, catlord, Hitlers Gay Secret. paragon1 posted:I want to propose that we build a bunch of Regimental Camps and Barracks for the New Taifas' second policy, but I'm not sure where to suggest they be built/where they've already been built. paragon1, ThatBasqueGuy, Technowolf, Yvonmukluk. Rodyle posted:Proposing Business Before Pleasure -- Conquer Iberia first and foremost and then take whatever steps are necessary ( military buildup, alliances, etc) to crush the Almorhavids and take as much territory from them as possible to punish them for their numerous betrayals. Rodyle, Frionnel, Lord Cyrahzax, Grizzwold, Snipee.  Ralepozozaxe posted:I, Ralepozozaxe, The Dalai Ullama, Propose the Brothers in Arm(enian)s Act. We should improve relations with the Armenians, get a royal marriage with them, ally them, and help them, whether with troops or moolah in any wars against the Crusaders of Egypt. For too long have the crusaders plagued the holy land, and now the Armenians are proving strong enough to kick them out. With our help, we cant rid the Levant and Egypt of these pests. Ralepozozaxe.  GunnerJ posted:Proposing the New World Diplomacy Act: Form the best possible beneficial diplomatic relationship* with one of the mainland native empires west of our island colonies. We'll need their help to deal with the rest of the native empires and then I guess the Ulema can go try to convert them, why not. GunnerJ. Talas posted:Proposing the Northern Colonization Effort: Our islands are a good stepping stone to change the colonization focus to the greater lands in the north. The south of the continent is too sparsely inhabited for Islam to really take root... and for people to buy our stuff. And all that with the added bonus of eventually blocking the Celts or any other European power. Talas. WilliamAnderson posted:I propose the Southern Colonization Effort. We must colonize the southern continent and divert the trade back to Al-Andalus. WilliamAnderson.  Soup du Jour posted:I, Hakam al-Soup of the Loyalists, propose that we build at least one, and more as money allows, Weapons Manufactories. Both our beloved Sultan and the ruling faction seem inclined for war, and we should support our burgeoning industries to support them. Soup du Jour. --- Proposed coalitions: Ulema and Jizrunid Loyalists Affi posted:Proposing a Joint Ulema/Loyalist vote! Ulema: Affi, AJ_Impy, Chatrapati, Nine of Eight. Loyalists: Captain Oblivious, Duey, Zakrelo, Mountaineer.
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paragon1 posted:I want to propose that we build a bunch of Regimental Camps and Barracks for the New Taifas' second policy, but I'm not sure where to suggest they be built/where they've already been built. Thoughts? I support this!
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TildeATH posted:Proposing Olé -- Conquer Iberia first and foremost and then take back historically Muslim lands like Corsica I, Lutfi al-Uthman, of the New Taifas, endorse this proposition! With so few friends we really don't need to alienate the few friends that we have, even if the slights of the Almoravids are many.
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Rodyle posted:
I support this. As a merchant in a past life this is appealing to me.
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Affi posted:Proposing a Joint Ulema/Loyalist vote! 
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Allah dammit, pick one enemy to fight and let us develop our military!
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Yo Merchants, I know it's a bummer we lost the majority but there are enough of us to vote on one of the three proposed policies at least. If all else fails I guess I can withdraw mine and support one of the other two, but... 
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Affi posted:Proposing a Joint Ulema/Loyalist vote! Support!
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Affi posted:Our lands need to be converted! Convert any provinces we can in Iberia! I'll vote for this proposal.
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Rodyle posted:
Endorsing this Proposal, We need to reduce these traitors ability to attack our heartland before they decide to utilize it.
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Affi posted:Proposing a Joint Ulema/Loyalist vote! About time we get to actually convert a province!
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I vote for the New World Diplomacy Act
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Rodyle posted:
Agreed. The perfidious Berbers must be taught it is al-Andalus who will rule in the West! Also, this'll cripple their tea markets. And you know what THAT means... Edit - However, I advocate against any adventurism East unless it poses an existential threat to our country, our colonies, or the faith. Let those unwashed heathens rebel in that overgrown lake! We have a fresh world to look towards! Samovar fucked around with this message at 16:55 on Jun 1, 2017 |
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Rodyle posted:why would we want an indefensible exclave in Italy when we could remove the dagger from our back? I don't, but if you want to rant nonsensically about traitors then surely you should start with Palermo? You know, the guys who made war on us in a moment of weakness? You can remove the dagger from our back by re-allying the people who have marched to our defense multiple times. This also avoids the absolute idiocy of leaving us vulnerable to a war on two fronts with larger powers! And make no mistake, if we take the other side of the straits from their rightful Muslim owners like a pack of mad dogs, we WILL be forever fighting on two fronts.
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Rodyle posted:
I would like to change my vote to this. I'm in the mood for punishment!
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paragon1 posted:I don't, but if you want to rant nonsensically about traitors then surely you should start with Palermo?
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It really can't be overstated what perfidious fuckers the Moroccans are and their alliance with the French can never be forgiven 
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Rodyle posted:Did Palermo literally ally with the French? They made war on us after the French finished killing people. So as good as. Them being allied with the French just makes attacking them even more insane, especially without increasing the size of the army first.
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Like at least break that alliance first so we don't have to fight the two strongest nearby military powers at the same time.
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Jun 1, 2017 18:06
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Can't wait until the New Taifas get us trapped in a war on two fronts.
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Jun 1, 2017 18:08
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The proposal specifically grants the Sultan free reign to use whatever tactics are needed, including breaking up that alliance.
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Affi posted:Proposing a Joint Ulema/Loyalist vote! I concur, with the caveat that our brothers of the Book must not be coerced by force, only by the light of Allah and word of the Prophet (PBUH).
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Mountaineer posted:Can't wait until the New Taifas get us trapped in a war on two fronts. Can't wait until we're weeping for there are no new lands to conquer.
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Mountaineer posted:Can't wait until the New Taifas get us trapped in a war on two fronts. Yeah, can I urge every one of my fellow New Taifas who doesn't want a two-front war to back Paragon1's proposal to make sure. We can benefit from either conflict, but I feel pursuing both at once is an unsound plan. Better to choose one and focus on building up our forces for future conflicts, rather than let our hubris lead to ruin.
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Palermo reminds me of dead Popes and the promise of Muslim Italy. Morocco reminds me of how some assholes started colonizing OUR islands after allying themselves with our enemies in France.
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Rodyle posted:
I vote for this!
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WilliamAnderson posted:
Supporting this.
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Guys, I think we should pace ourselves here and focus on the rest of Spain and the inevitable fight with France before thinking about the Almorhavids. This is probably our last best chance to fight the French before they grow too strong and we shouldn't let our reach exceed our grasp.
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 Session closed. Looks like, due to indecision within the New Taifas, they've only managed to pass one policy, the Business Before Pleasure Act. The League of Merchants are at a deadlock, so the Sultan will pick between them. And finally, the Ulema and the Jizrunid Loyalists formed a coalition to try and convert a couple provinces.Policies: TildeATH posted:Proposing Olé -- Conquer Iberia first and foremost and then take back historically Muslim lands like Corsica TildeATH, Erwin the German, RZApublican, catlord, Hitlers Gay Secret, Luhood. paragon1 posted:I want to propose that we build a bunch of Regimental Camps and Barracks for the New Taifas' second policy, but I'm not sure where to suggest they be built/where they've already been built. paragon1, ThatBasqueGuy, Technowolf, Yvonmukluk, Archaeology Hat. Rodyle posted:Proposing Business Before Pleasure -- Conquer Iberia first and foremost and then take whatever steps are necessary ( military buildup, alliances, etc) to crush the Almorhavids and take as much territory from them as possible to punish them for their numerous betrayals. Rodyle, Frionnel, Lord Cyrahzax, Grizzwold, Snipee, Aeromancia, Mr_Autoshades, Samovar, Dick Trauma, mcclay. Ralepozozaxe posted:I, Ralepozozaxe, The Dalai Ullama, Propose the Brothers in Arm(enian)s Act. We should improve relations with the Armenians, get a royal marriage with them, ally them, and help them, whether with troops or moolah in any wars against the Crusaders of Egypt. For too long have the crusaders plagued the holy land, and now the Armenians are proving strong enough to kick them out. With our help, we cant rid the Levant and Egypt of these pests. Ralepozozaxe. GunnerJ posted:Proposing the New World Diplomacy Act: Form the best possible beneficial diplomatic relationship* with one of the mainland native empires west of our island colonies. We'll need their help to deal with the rest of the native empires and then I guess the Ulema can go try to convert them, why not. GunnerJ, HiHo ChiRho. Talas posted:Proposing the Northern Colonization Effort: Our islands are a good stepping stone to change the colonization focus to the greater lands in the north. The south of the continent is too sparsely inhabited for Islam to really take root... and for people to buy our stuff. And all that with the added bonus of eventually blocking the Celts or any other European power. Talas. WilliamAnderson posted:I propose the Southern Colonization Effort. We must colonize the southern continent and divert the trade back to Al-Andalus. WilliamAnderson, Yessod. Soup du Jour posted:I, Hakam al-Soup of the Loyalists, propose that we build at least one, and more as money allows, Weapons Manufactories. Both our beloved Sultan and the ruling faction seem inclined for war, and we should support our burgeoning industries to support them. Soup du Jour. --- Proposed coalitions: Ulema and Jizrunid Loyalists Affi posted:Proposing a Joint Ulema/Loyalist vote! Ulema: Affi, AJ_Impy, Chatrapati, Nine of Eight, tunapirate, devildragon777, Vinny Possum. Loyalists: Captain Oblivious, Duey, Zakrelo, Mountaineer, Crazycryodude, Lynneth.
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Yvonmukluk posted:Doesn't the Sultan get to break the New Taifa deadlock for the second policy? It's not a deadlock, Olé got 6 votes and paragon's proposal got 5. If they were equal, then yeah, he would've.
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Hashim posted:It's not a deadlock, Olé got 6 votes and paragon's proposal got 5. If they were equal, then yeah, he would've. Wait...so the two 'declare war' policies cancel each other out? This is what we get for not picking one war and sticking to it, goons! 
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Yvonmukluk posted:Wait...so the two 'declare war' policies cancel each other out? Yeah, kinda. Both want to conquer the rest of Iberia, but they're divided as to where we should go from there. One wants us to reconquer historically Muslim lands, like Corsica, and the other wants us to humiliate and take land from the Almoravids, our oldest allies.
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GunnerJ posted:
I support this.
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Hashim posted:Yeah, kinda. Both want to conquer the rest of Iberia, but they're divided as to where we should go from there. One wants us to reconquer historically Muslim lands, like Corsica, and the other wants us to humiliate and take land from the Almoravids, our oldest allies. Fair enough. And when you say it like that it sounds incredibly stupid. So we only have one policy, which was probably upon reflection the worst of all three options. Goonocracy in action! I don't know if that was really made clear, though. I feel that would OK, I have have a proposal, my fellow New Taifas, in the hopes of preventing such wasteful infighting in future. I propose an informal runoff to be held when we are in power, so that in the case of two conflicting military strategems, we do not squander our influence and can instead channel it into more productive pursuits. Mikl posted:
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Yvonmukluk posted:Fair enough. And when you say it like that it sounds incredibly stupid. So we only have one policy, which was probably upon reflection the worst of all three options. Goonocracy in action! Ah, yes, war with Muslims in North Africa is the best proposal... I have a suggestion: Next time there's a difference of opinion throw the idiots in the oubliette.
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TildeATH posted:Ah, yes, war with Muslims in North Africa is the best proposal... I have a suggestion:
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Yvonmukluk posted:Um...the vote closed, like, an hour ago. That's what I get for leaving the reply window open then 
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