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I'm of the opinion that a hosed up constitutional convention would cause a civil war. You think CA and NY would go along with add BS amendments to the constitution?
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Welcome to GBS posted:I'm not especially worried about home protection. We have two pitbulls that do not look inviting to people trying to break in. We live in a relatively safe neighborhood. But what I'm saying is that it has become incredibly clear to me that there is an attempt to completely corrupt the Federal Government, and Russia is most likely behind it. I don't have to explain to you the general mental state of the people supporting this government (and giving them their power, ultimately), but I can tell you from my experience with them that they all own guns and will not hesitate using them to instill fear into the 'tolerant left' if this power starts to be taken away. It's overwhelmingly more likely that if you buy a gun you or someone else living in the home with it will use it to commit suicide than using it in any sort of rebellion
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Jun 1, 2017 18:02
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glowing-fish posted:Seven bedrooms doesn't seem that extravagent. I mean, a standard house has three bedrooms, so this was about double normal size? And two million dollars in an urban real estate market doesn't seem to be too much. Look, we didn't all grow up on the great ranges of the west coast like you did. Some of us grew up on the atlantic seaboard: Wisconsin, Illinois, Indiana. You know, the mountainless coast near New York.
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Jun 1, 2017 18:03
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Lote posted:I wonder what the worst palatable amendment that an Article 5 constitutional convention could get through. You still need 3/4 of the state legislature or state ratifying convention. 38 states would need to be on board. Balanced budget amendment would probably get a lot of support and gently caress over the economy hardcore.
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Jun 1, 2017 18:04
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That would be delicious irony if CA and NY proposed an amendment that spelled out how to make seceding from the Union legal. It would get shot down so fast.
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Jun 1, 2017 18:05
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ThePeavstenator posted:Crosspost from Wisconsin thread: Small, but not zero. However, a convention shouldn't be something we really fear because even though you only need 2/3 to call a convention, anything the convention proposes still has to be ratified by 3/4 of the states. Look at a map and count the states starting from the most red until you get to state #38. That state would have to be fine with any changes to the constitution, and it'll be a pretty solidly blue state. edit: in 2016, that state was New Jersey, surrounded by Delaware and Connecticut. Thats the kind of state which would have to say "ok yeah sure, we agree to that change" before the constitution is modified by a Republican amendment. Rigel fucked around with this message at 18:08 on Jun 1, 2017 |
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Jun 1, 2017 18:05
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Subvisual Haze posted:Balanced budget amendment would probably get a lot of support and gently caress over the economy hardcore. Why not combine them into one super lovely amendment?
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Jun 1, 2017 18:06
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business hammocks posted:Look, we didn't all grow up on the great ranges of the west coast like you did. Some of us grew up on the atlantic seaboard: Wisconsin, Illinois, Indiana. You know, the mountainless coast near New York. i hope that, unlike the appalachians, this joke never wears out
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Jun 1, 2017 18:06
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A lot of Second Amendment fetishists live in this weird denial of the inescapable fact that the easier it is to do a Bad Thing, the more often Bad Thing happens. If they'd just say "yea more people will kill themselves and each other, but the freedom is worth it," I could at least get (and disagree with) that. Their whole thing of "HURR THEY'LL USE KNIVES INSTEAD" is just another huge thread in the tapestry of idiocy on the right.
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Jun 1, 2017 18:06
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Lote posted:I wonder what the worst palatable amendment that an Article 5 constitutional convention could get through. You still need 3/4 of the state legislature or state ratifying convention. 38 states would need to be on board. If the GOP succeeds at a constitutional convention slavery would become legal again. I'd like to think that statement is absurd but we're living in the darkest timeline. It would case civil war 2.
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Jun 1, 2017 18:06
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Lemming posted:It's overwhelmingly more likely that if you buy a gun you or someone else living in the home with it will use it to commit suicide than using it in any sort of rebellion And it is even more overwhelmingly likely that it will just sit in a gun safe unused for the rest of your life (buy a gun safe you moron). Maybe with the side benefit of occasional use at the range for some fun hobby activity.
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Jun 1, 2017 18:06
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Lightning Lord posted:3 or 4 is standard for the "grandma bought a house in 1985" suburban home IMO The wealthiest friend I knew in my wealthy, white suburban school district didn't have a 7 bedroom home. 5, sure, but 7? No.
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Lemming posted:It's overwhelmingly more likely that if you buy a gun you or someone else living in the home with it will use it to commit suicide than using it in any sort of rebellion yeah its incredibly likely all the "WE WILL DEFEND LIBERTY" people will be cheering on the cops that shoot you if you aren't shot by your toddler first
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Jun 1, 2017 18:07
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Are we really going to let the East Coast Elites in Wisconsin decide to change the constitution all willy nilly?
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Really digging that jabroni being unable to post without people going all "mountains!" like Bilbo Baggins.
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Jun 1, 2017 18:08
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Lote posted:Why not combine them into one super lovely amendment? Ooh, ooh, ooh, let me tell YOU about how a similar amendment caused CA to have a budget crisis every loving year for decades until it got weakened by a new proposition.
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https://twitter.com/BruceBartlett/status/870322072844742656 https://twitter.com/JuddLegum/status/870314723555905536
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Jun 1, 2017 18:08
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Oh, and on the 'Mah Bedrooms' front, there is a 6 bedroom house in my neighborhood in upper middle class suburbia going for like 300K. This is a dumber derail than the gun one.
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Jun 1, 2017 18:09
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Lote posted:Why not combine them into one super lovely amendment? It combines perfectly well with the usual Republican circular economic plan too. 1) Tax cuts! (while trotting out the Laffer curve and pretending this will actually get more revenue) 2) Oh no, the budget is in the red! This must be because we're spending too much on entitlements (and can bear no relation to our prior tax cuts) 3) Gut medicaid/medicare/Social Security/infrastructure to balance budget
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Jun 1, 2017 18:09
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Rigel posted:Small, but not zero. So, the state that elected Chris Christie
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Jun 1, 2017 18:09
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Real talk RE McMansions: from 1998-2008 I worked as a residential designer, the last 3 years for a high end boutique builder. 4,000 sq ft w/ 5 bedrooms plus a bonus room was pretty much where we topped out. I did work on some one off plans that were a couple bedrooms bigger, but those weren't all that common.
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Jun 1, 2017 18:10
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SpaceCadetBob posted:Oh, and on the 'Mah Bedrooms' front, there is a 6 bedroom house in my neighborhood in upper middle class suburbia going for like 300K. This is a dumber derail than the gun one. So which Midwestern, Southern, or Flyover state do you live in?
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Jun 1, 2017 18:10
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Beginning to think Trump is some sort of mercurial trickster figure
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Subvisual Haze posted:It combines perfectly well with the usual Republican circular economic plan too. pretty much exactly what happened in cali thanks Grover Norquist say hi to him at Burning Man
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Jun 1, 2017 18:11
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A collapsed economy is easier to loot. Get ready for some sweet oligarchy action
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Jun 1, 2017 18:12
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SpaceCadetBob posted:And it is even more overwhelmingly likely that it will just sit in a gun safe unused for the rest of your life (buy a gun safe you moron). Maybe with the side benefit of occasional use at the range for some fun hobby activity. Yeah that is more likely, but it's only worth it if the upside for you is enjoying owning a gun as a hobby or whatever. If you're only buying it because you're scared you'll need it in Civil War 2 it's pretty easy to tell that that's way less likely than you ending up you want to off yourself with it. So if safety is your goal, buying a gun does make you less safe, so you shouldn't do it.
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Welcome to GBS posted:If you are will smith, yes I will give you both the gun and a hug. It will also not decrease your chances of being harmed. I mean, let's look at a mass shooter scenario. If you're unlucky enough to be around when a mass shooter starts firing, you do not want to be a person with a gun. Pulling out a gun in that scenario doesn't make you a hero--it makes you a threat. The people around you have no reason to assume you're on their side. There's a very good chance that if you try to shoot at the shooter, you'll hit a bystander. Law enforcement could very easily assume you're either the shooter or that there are two shooters and you're one of them. And it should go without saying that if you happen not to be white, all of the above are going to be even worse. Or let's assume some militia chucklefucks decide it's time for an armed uprising. If a big group of guys armed with guns decide that you're one of the enemies they need to kill, you owning a gun will probably not save you or your family. You might take one of them with you, if you're lucky, but probably not. You're not John McClane. If you want to buy a gun, go ahead and buy a gun. Clearly you want one. And hey, if you don't need it for self-defense, gun sports, target shooting, all of that can be pretty fun. I don't own a gun myself, but I like going shooting with my friend who does. I buy the ammo, we shoot some targets, then go out for a drink after. It's a nice time. But don't assume it makes you safer.
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Jun 1, 2017 18:15
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Lightning Lord posted:Beginning to think Trump is some sort of mercurial trickster figure That's just fake news.
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Everyone who wants a gun should learn how to make bombs instead. Those are how you win a civil war.
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Lightning Lord posted:Beginning to think Trump is some sort of mercurial trickster figure No Loki, no Loki. You're the Loki.
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Jun 1, 2017 18:18
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business hammocks posted:Everyone who wants a gun should learn how to make bombs instead. Those are how you win a civil war. *FBI agents begin furiously screenshotting*
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business hammocks posted:Everyone who wants a gun should learn how to make bombs instead. Those are how you win a civil war. Kinda hard to practice to improve and see if you did it right though.
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Jun 1, 2017 18:19
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Yikes.
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Jun 1, 2017 18:20
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Establish a cover story of being a right wing group and they'll stop monitoring you.
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Jun 1, 2017 18:20
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I went to weather underground to try and learn but it's just a loving weather site now. I give up.
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SpaceCadetBob posted:And it is even more overwhelmingly likely that it will just sit in a gun safe unused for the rest of your life (buy a gun safe you moron). Maybe with the side benefit of occasional use at the range for some fun hobby activity. God, this, and not a cabinet, or a lockbox, or a trunk. A safe. Having a safe significantly reduces the chance of suicide, drunken escapade, and child tragedy. If the safe is properly affixed to the frame of the house and isn't complete garbage it also makes the gun dramatically harder to steal.
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Jun 1, 2017 18:22
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I wish Walther PPKs weren't so expensive. That's my ideal self-defense gun. Also in case the fascists come for me.
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glowing-fish posted:Seven bedrooms doesn't seem that extravagent. I mean, a standard house has three bedrooms, so this was about double normal size? And two million dollars in an urban real estate market doesn't seem to be too much. How many bedrooms did Tony Soprano's house have? 4? Imagine a house twice that size in suburban NJ. It's a mansion. Edit:5 full bathrooms 2x 1/2 baths. He could take a poo poo in a different bathroom for every day of the week. Mansion th3t00t fucked around with this message at 18:27 on Jun 1, 2017 |
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There was a house with I don't even want to know how many "bedrooms" in my parents' neighborhood, which is solidly lower-middle class. It used to be a good sized church that was converted into a residential house. It had a ton of rooms to it, but I honestly don't know how many would be classified as bedrooms. No web sites give a room count, but do list it as 7,280 sqft. Khisanth Magus fucked around with this message at 18:30 on Jun 1, 2017 |
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Lightning Lord posted:Beginning to think Trump is some sort of mercurial trickster figure  drat you, Coyote!!! 
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