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glowing-fish posted:I think they just like international intrigue rather than spending their time working on boring stuff like improving health care, building infrastructure, etc. I agree with you. It makes them feel like big men. It's cheaper and easier than fixing Russia's problems, and I'm sure that ordinary Russians feel proud that they got one over on the hoity-toity Americans.
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Welcome to GBS posted:I find it interesting how many of you think that owning a gun will make me less safe. I already have blunt self defense weapons, but where I live (NotPortland-Oregon) literally everyone has a gun, except for the exceedingly liberal types, and even they often own guns as well. In this kind of environment I really don't want to be the only one who can't defend myself. statistically speaking, gun owners shoot themselves or somebody they know so in the aggregate, does owning a gun make one safer there was a twitter i think and i can't recall the name but they used to publish about a page's worth monthly of people who were shot and the reason why, as just a small sample of gun violence in the us anybody remember that?
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Welcome to GBS posted:I find it interesting how many of you think that owning a gun will make me less safe. I already have blunt self defense weapons, but where I live (NotPortland-Oregon) literally everyone has a gun, except for the exceedingly liberal types, and even they often own guns as well. In this kind of environment I really don't want to be the only one who can't defend myself. Is there a lot of violent crime? Is the high gun ownership due to fear of crime, or because Oregon is a great place to hunt?
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Hacking into lightly secured email servers and then leaking the results through Wikileaks while using social media bots to amplify the narrative isn't technically complicated or expensive.
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stone cold posted:statistically speaking, gun owners shoot themselves or somebody they know so https://twitter.com/usgunincidents?lang=en
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BarbarianElephant posted:Is there a lot of violent crime? Is the high gun ownership due to fear of crime, or because Oregon is a great place to hunt? oregon, is really white also, lest we forget, it's bundyville
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was that the one? the one i recall had like a page-sized image and would have the date and the reason
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See, I can understand the appeal of Putin. I get it. I might be politically and morally opposed to it but he comes across as strong and smart and steely. I could get r/the_donald and Bill Mitchell and Mark Levin and whomever else going to bat for somebody like this. I mean look at this guy.
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Jun 1, 2017 17:22
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Nothus posted:Hacking into lightly secured email servers and then leaking the results through Wikileaks while using social media bots to amplify the narrative isn't technically complicated or expensive. The only hard part is literally the hoping that someone is dumb enough to click your phishing link.
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Jun 1, 2017 17:22
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Taerkar posted:Many less lethal methods are illegal in The US.
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The stuff regarding gun accidents is valid, but it's a little thick to suggest less than lethal or melee options to someone worried about political violence in an environment swimming in guns.
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If you are will smith, yes I will give you both the gun and a hug. What I am telling all of you, is that this world is so full of guns that my owning one (in a responsible manner) will not increase my chances of being harmed.
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Wark Say posted:Really? I thought Pepper Spray and Tasers were legal in most states. Pepper spray is illegal in Canada but you can buy bear spray and wasp spray (bonus effect of wasp/hornet pesticide: it'll permanently blind people if you use enough)
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stone cold posted:statistically speaking, gun owners shoot themselves or somebody they know so If America remains as safe as it is now, or close too it, then no, a gun will not make you safer if you live anywhere with police coverage. A few of us think this country is about to become a lot more violent, but no one's going to give you specific odds on that.
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Nothus posted:Hacking into lightly secured email servers and then leaking the results through Wikileaks while using social media bots to amplify the narrative isn't technically complicated or expensive. But still not worth doing if gets you no money and could provoke the American intelligence services to loving end you. Or is anyone operating under the delusion that a group of Russian hackers gives a flying gently caress about American elections?
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Hellblazer187 posted:Are y'all actually READING Secret Empire or just goinf "Pfft Captain America is a Nazi, I'm deciding this is bad without looking!" I read the free issue and absolutely hated it. It's yet another bad crossover and politically tone-deaf. Josh Lyman posted:What is even the point of lying like that? Are the author/editor hardcore Trumpers? $$$$
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stone cold posted:statistically speaking, gun owners shoot themselves or somebody they know so Counterpoint: That doesn't mean they didn't deserve it.
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Josh Lyman posted:What is even the point of lying like that? Are the author/editor hardcore Trumpers? Seven bedrooms doesn't seem that extravagent. I mean, a standard house has three bedrooms, so this was about double normal size? And two million dollars in an urban real estate market doesn't seem to be too much. I mean, I think their point was that he grew up in upper-middle class surburbia, not owning private islands in the Carribean. It seems like that might be the upbringing that someone whose parents were doctors, lawyers or successful professionals might have?
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Welcome to GBS posted:I find it interesting how many of you think that owning a gun will make me less safe. I already have blunt self defense weapons, but where I live (NotPortland-Oregon) literally everyone has a gun, except for the exceedingly liberal types, and even they often own guns as well. In this kind of environment I really don't want to be the only one who can't defend myself. You still haven't clarified why you would need one though... If you're worried about a home invasion, get a dog, install a security system, put in proper outdoor lighting, and get to know your neighbors (exchange phone numbers, etc). "The bad guy wants to shoot me, so I'll shoot him first" mentality is really dangerous.
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Wark Say posted:Really? I thought Pepper Spray and Tasers were legal in most states. be careful with them tasers TildeATH posted:Counterpoint: That doesn't mean they didn't deserve it. i mean, sure but it's something to bear in mind if instead of melting all guns you wish to become a gun owner
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Mystic Mongol posted:If America remains as safe as it is now, or close too it, then no, a gun will not make you safer if you live anywhere with police coverage. I would suspect that said statistics also apply less to demographics more likely to be targeted by hate groups.
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Nigel Farage news is a few pages back but I didn't see anybody point out the backstory there. Verging a bit into "connect the dots" conspiracy Twitter land but bear with me. Aug 7 2016: Roger Stone posts publicly about his dinner with Farage https://twitter.com/rogerjstonejr/status/762507041013321728 Aug 8 2016: Roger Stone says he's spoken to Assange and knows that the next set of unreleased documents are about the Clinton Foundation https://www.mediamatters.org/video/2016/08/09/roger-stone-confirms-hes-communication-julian-assange/212261 Aug 21 2016: Roger Stone seems to predict the Oct 7 publishing of the Podesta e-mail leak (attributed to APT28/Fancy Bear) https://twitter.com/rogerjstonejr/status/767366825743097856?lang=en Oct 12 2016: Roger Stone publicly denies having ever spoken to Assange or having any "direct contact" but again admits backchannel who is a "good mutual friend" that "travels back and forth from the United States to London and we talk" http://miami.cbslocal.com/2016/10/12/trump-ally-roger-stone-admits-back-channel-tie-to-wikileaks/ March 4 2017: Roger Stone claims he has "perfectly legal backchannel" to Julian Assange https://twitter.com/Millicentsomer/status/838259660549304320 March 9 2017: Buzzfeed stops Farange as he's leaving the Ecuadorian embassy in London and "he couldn't remember what he had been doing in the building". https://www.buzzfeed.com/marieleconte/wait-what?utm_term=.udEX7WQWY7#.syko93V3d9
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Fitzy Fitz posted:You still haven't clarified why you would need one though... That's too much work and I wanna be Rambo!* * a thing that many Americans actually believe
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Wait it's legal in Canada to use wasp spray for personal defense? That's crazy. Wasp spray rocks, I spray it around the perimeter of my house, underhangs, bushes, and crevices every spring and it keeps those fuckers away, but to use it on a person would be insane
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Taerkar posted:I would suspect that said statistics also apply less to demographics more likely to be tolerated by hate groups. please show me how exactly owning a gun makes you safer
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Jun 1, 2017 17:30
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Why do public figures bother to delete tweets when they are almost always archived?
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glowing-fish posted:Seven bedrooms doesn't seem that extravagent. I mean, a standard house has three bedrooms, so this was about double normal size? And two million dollars in an urban real estate market doesn't seem to be too much. Seven bedrooms is nuts, dude.
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stone cold posted:was that the one? the one i recall had like a page-sized image and would have the date and the reason hmm. can't find anything like it. joe nocera used to do a thing in the NYT about weekly incidents of gun violence but stopped that a while ago. https://nocera.blogs.nytimes.com/ca...s®ion=Header
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There Bias Two posted:Why do public figures bother to delete tweets when they are almost always archived? They're technologically illiterate.
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Seems pretty clear that the dude is worried about a generalized increase in political unrest and strife which to be quite honest is something you simply cannot predict the consequences of. In these situations access to lethal self defense could potentially have merit. There are so many edge cases that is it impossible to give statistical probabilities to them. The person making the decision would have to seriously consider the risks of both sides. Owning a gun is not a death sentence, and the risks of self inflicted harm with a gun are still astronomically low compared to the number of gun owners in the country. All hail gun control derail.
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Lightning Lord posted:I read the free issue and absolutely hated it. It's yet another bad crossover and politically tone-deaf. I've read since the most recent relaunch of Cap #1 (the first time he says "Hail Hydra") and it's a fairly standard comic book superhero story but extremely well done. I guess reading one issue, midway through the story, might not be as good.
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Fitzy Fitz posted:If you're worried about a home invasion, get a dog, install a security system, put in proper outdoor lighting, and get to know your neighbors (exchange phone numbers, etc). "The bad guy wants to shoot me, so I'll shoot him first" mentality is really dangerous. When the Oath Keepers besiege my home because I think Stephen Colbert is funny, how am I gonna defend myself without a gun?
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In non-gun news, the President has decided to not stick his dick (further) into the hornet's nest. Still not tired of winning
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stone cold posted:oregon, is really white Well, Bundy drove there from several states away.
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haveblue posted:In non-gun news, the President has decided to not stick his dick (further) into the hornet's nest. Still not tired of winning This is good because it's both not extremely idiotic and damages the narrative of the morons who think Trump was going to grind Palestine into bone meal
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glowing-fish posted:Seven bedrooms doesn't seem that extravagent. I mean, a standard house has three bedrooms, so this was about double normal size? And two million dollars in an urban real estate market doesn't seem to be too much. oh boy, this guy again
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glowing-fish posted:Seven bedrooms doesn't seem that extravagent. I mean, a standard house has three bedrooms, so this was about double normal size? And two million dollars in an urban real estate market doesn't seem to be too much. Upper middle class =\= $2 million 7 bed 5 bath home. A mortgage on this home would be around $10k per month.
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What's the deal with this ethics thing? Can a president really waive ethics obligations for white house staff?
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stone cold posted:please show me how exactly owning a gun makes you safer Certain groups suddenly become a lot more supportive of gun control laws when black people are armed. That's pretty damning right there.
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glowing-fish posted:Seven bedrooms doesn't seem that extravagent. I mean, a standard house has three bedrooms, so this was about double normal size? And two million dollars in an urban real estate market doesn't seem to be too much. There weren't any *real* mountains nearby so were they really people at all?
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