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So to sum up today's talks, there are pros and cons to voice chat. Nintendo opted, for various reasons, not to include the option onboard and a few people continue to spaz out needlessly. A Hori option was released for mobile comms that people find super confusing, even though it's painfully easy to understand. There is also a mobile option for typing to your team which seems like a good alternative for those who want to do it. Considering this is a luxury device in its first generation, players can use one of their other devices (that 99% will have one or two of) for team communication, using programs like discord, teamspeak, Skype, Line, [1000 other options]. For many games people already exclusively use third party voice to enable stability and avoid communication errors anyway.
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The Bloop posted:I used voice chat all the time on Splatoon. we're talking about playing video games in the first world, nothings more than an oddity or minor inconvenience. doesnt mean it isnt dumb still.
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Stux posted:swear some of you peoplelive on an alien planet I guess. I could be wrong if the interface is bad on the app or something but I always use my phone to tell friends when I'm getting online for games anyway. Not excusing it, it should be built into the system. It's just not a huge deal unless you're some weirdo that owns new game tech but doesn't have a smartphone.
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Jun 1, 2017 18:46
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Wheany posted:Oh, and the squid adapter has some kind of "I had sex with your mum lastnight" detection and removal technology? Nintendo didn't do all of that biometric stuff for nothing. The adapter will actually determine whether I had sex with your mom, and then announce to everyone in chat whether I was telling the truth.
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XyrlocShammypants posted:So to sum up today's talks, there are pros and cons to voice chat. Nintendo opted, for various reasons, not to include the option onboard and a few people continue to spaz out needlessly. A Hori option was released for mobile comms that people find super confusing, even though it's painfully easy to understand. There is also a mobile option for typing to your team which seems like a good alternative for those who want to do it. Considering this is a luxury device in its first generation, players can use one of their other devices (that 99% will have one or two of) for team communication, using programs like discord, teamspeak, Skype, Line, [1000 other options]. For many games people already exclusively use third party voice to enable stability and avoid communication errors anyway. this would be the same as summing up trumps ascendency to the presidency as "a bunch of people got a bit upset but generally its ok" but sure if you want
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Stux posted:this would be the same as summing up trumps ascendency to the presidency as "a bunch of people got a bit upset but generally its ok" but sure if you want A bunch of people got upset at nothing and yelled at clouds. That pretty much sums up his ascendency yes.
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SeANMcBAY posted:I guess. I could be wrong if the interface is bad on the app or something but I always use my phone to tell friends when I'm getting online for games anyway. Not excusing it, it should be built into the system. It's just not a huge deal unless you're some weirdo that owns new game tech but doesn't have a smartphone. i understand that some people do do this, but for the vast majority of console gamers the process is usually: someone is online, i can see they are online because of my consoles friendlist, i send them an invite through the console and we are put into party chat also on the console where we can either invite more people or other people can join freely and then join our game from there. like for playing cod etc ill just go look at the party tab, i can see who from my friends is playing and who they are playing with and then join them and their game all through that interface.
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I've only ever used voice chat in Destiny. I tried using voice chat in Overwatch but either everyone stays silent or there's some whiney baby who thinks he's a pro player when we're all in the silver rankings. But Switch should probably have native voice chat. Just a standard feature at this point. And that's my take!
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SeANMcBAY posted:I guess. I could be wrong if the interface is bad on the app or something but I always use my phone to tell friends when I'm getting online for games anyway. Not excusing it, it should be built into the system. It's just not a huge deal unless you're some weirdo that owns new game tech but doesn't have a smartphone. The difference here being that you use an App to stay in relative contact until you boot up the system and join when then everything online feature spec is on the system (PS4/Xbox One). If you are talking about PC, most voice chat can occur anywhere. Whether in game voice comm, service delivery voice comm (Steam, Battle net, etc) or 3rd party Discord, Mumble, etc. For this device, there is zero reason why you cannot just use a bluetooth headset, connect to the switch, and voice comm/lobby lives on the switch for no other reason than Nintendo said, "Nah let's be different, and also may as well make it a huge pain in the rear end because bad PR is still good PR".
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Stux posted:i understand that some people do do this, but for the vast majority of console gamers the process is usually: someone is online, i can see they are online because of my consoles friendlist, i send them an invite through the console and we are put into party chat also on the console where we can either invite more people or other people can join freely and then join our game from there. like for playing cod etc ill just go look at the party tab, i can see who from my friends is playing and who they are playing with and then join them and their game all through that interface. I've been doing this lately for games like Friday the 13th and Destiny and so on, it's a real neat feature. I wish Switch had a function where I could see my active friends list, find a friend playing MK8, hit a button and immediately jump into their game to play with them.
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XyrlocShammypants posted:So to sum up today's talks, there are pros and cons to voice chat. Nintendo opted, for various reasons, not to include the option onboard and a few people continue to spaz out needlessly. A Hori option was released for mobile comms that people find super confusing, even though it's painfully easy to understand. There is also a mobile option for typing to your team which seems like a good alternative for those who want to do it. Considering this is a luxury device in its first generation, players can use one of their other devices (that 99% will have one or two of) for team communication, using programs like discord, teamspeak, Skype, Line, [1000 other options]. For many games people already exclusively use third party voice to enable stability and avoid communication errors anyway. In conclusion, Nintendo is a land of contrasts
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Policenaut posted:I've been doing this lately for games like Friday the 13th and Destiny and so on, it's a real neat feature. I wish Switch had a function where I could see my active friends list, find a friend playing MK8, hit a button and immediately jump into their game to play with them. yeah. i can understand if people are used to discord etc and how that functions that it doesnt seem like a big deal, but the modern party chat functions on ps4 etc are so well integrated and useful it just seems like a complete missed opportunity to not bring that over to switch because its a really useful and streamlined system!
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Lakbay posted:I'm surprised there hasn't been a "my Switch got me laid" story ITT yet My wife loves to play MK8 with me so we did that for an hour then had sex afterwards. MK8 confirmed best game for getting laid.
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Yeah, party chat is great. I hope the app could at least do that. It would make sense since it seems like you can only hear friends anyway but Nintendo.
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I get the argument of using Discord instead of being tethered to a phone but I'm a man child and I have my computer next to my Switch so it's easy, but I'm sure most people have their Switch set-up in a living room away from their computer so they're going to have to do this janky tethering crap to get some sort of voice chat via their phone which is 100% terrible. This should have been built into the system itself with Bluetooth headphone support.
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Stux posted:i understand that some people do do this, but for the vast majority of console gamers the process is usually: someone is online, i can see they are online because of my consoles friendlist, i send them an invite through the console and we are put into party chat also on the console where we can either invite more people or other people can join freely and then join our game from there. like for playing cod etc ill just go look at the party tab, i can see who from my friends is playing and who they are playing with and then join them and their game all through that interface. Stux...good?
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s.i.r.e. posted:I get the argument of using Discord instead of being tethered to a phone but I'm a man child and I have my computer next to my Switch so it's easy, but I'm sure most people have their Switch set-up in a living room away from their computer so they're going to have to do this janky tethering crap to get some sort of voice chat via their phone which is 100% terrible. Or at least USB headphone support
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Also gently caress me, I have a wireless headset and wired headphones. Maybe I can get a standalone mic and run it with another splitter.
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Having a phone app for party chat is probably the dumbest thing about this cool console so please don't defend stupid decisions just because you still have a hard in from playing Zelda.
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s.i.r.e. posted:I get the argument of using Discord instead of being tethered to a phone but I'm a man child and I have my computer next to my Switch so it's easy, but I'm sure most people have their Switch set-up in a living room away from their computer Ohtsam posted:Or at least USB headphone support You'll be able to use an app, or you can use an app already on the cell phone (Like discord) and if someone calls me during a match I will be able to touch tap over to the phone call and then touch tap back over to my game lobby. Really though, if they had included voice in the Switch, what percentage of high level teams would rely on the in system voice chat versus something else? For PUBG and other PC games it approaches 0.
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Ohtsam posted:Or at least USB headphone support Yeah, why not utilize the USB C on the Switch or ports on the dock to connect a USB headset? Would that even be possible to fix via an update?
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XyrlocShammypants posted:You'll be able to use an app, or you can use an app already on the cell phone (Like discord) and if someone calls me during a match I will be able to touch tap over to the phone call and then touch tap back over to my game lobby. I do not think you can compare a portable console to a dedicated PC and come out with the same use cases. In fact, they aren't even in the same ballpark. Also, PUBG game voice is used heavily outside of team chat - Mocking (Which is hilarious), the initial lobby has hilarious banter and things like A-Team theme songs. Again though, comparing the Switch to a dedicated PC game is comparing apples to oranges in use cases. If I am playing a portable game and it has voice chat, I should either be able to plug into the portable device via 3.5 audio or USB or Bluetooth, and have party/friend functionality on the console. The only reason why I would give Nintendo a pass on this is they are so far removed from today's gaming standards, they probably, and most likely, have no idea how to do this with their knowledge base. Utnayan fucked around with this message at 19:14 on Jun 1, 2017 |
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Rad Valtar posted:Having a phone app for party chat is probably the dumbest thing about this cool console so please don't defend stupid decisions just because you still have a hard in from playing Zelda. Who is defending it? Everyone in here seems to be either super pissed about it or indifferent.
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XyrlocShammypants posted:You'll be able to use an app, or you can use an app already on the cell phone (Like discord) and if someone calls me during a match I will be able to touch tap over to the phone call and then touch tap back over to my game lobby. Which requires me to be tethered in to the Switch and my phone which is terrible and I also use wireless headphones so this doesn't even apply to me.
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Rad Valtar posted:Having a phone app for party chat is probably the dumbest thing about this cool console so please don't defend stupid decisions just because you still have a hard in from playing Zelda. I'm not sure anyone is defending stupid decisions. At most people have been saying ok it's dumb but really nbd chill and play games. But, you know what, I'll say something in its defense (conditionally): if it would have cost another $25 to $50 to make the Switch have BT or whatever (stronger processor, more RAM, whatever) for built-in for chat, and if the increased unit sales from having the system not cross some price barrier beats the lost revenue from the few hypergrogs who refuse to buy it without built-in live chat, then I think they did the right thing by not including it, from a business standpoint. Of course this is a counterfactual hypothetical so we'll never know, but I suspect they thought about it a tad.
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XyrlocShammypants posted:You'll be able to use an app, or you can use an app already on the cell phone (Like discord) and if someone calls me during a match I will be able to touch tap over to the phone call and then touch tap back over to my game lobby. The app does have value especially if I'm somewhere else and I don't have a headset with me or don't want to carry a headset which is liable to break in my bag. Being able to have both as an option would be better though. I do wonder if the extra cpu cycles it takes for the audio if it were undocked had anything to do with the decision though.
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s.i.r.e. posted:Yeah, why not utilize the USB C on the Switch or ports on the dock to connect a USB headset? Would that even be possible to fix via an update? It would be straightforward for a firmware update to allow a USB headset to connect to the dock, but the issue seems to be that they're not running voice audio through the system at all. They're coding all their voice software as a phone app and not building any of it into the Switch OS, so it doesn't matter what devices you can connect to the system until that changes.
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The most likely reason is the app is P2P voice and they don't want to set up dedicated servers for handling voice chat.
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s.i.r.e. posted:Which requires me to be tethered in to the Switch and my phone which is terrible and I also use wireless headphones so this doesn't even apply to me. It doesn't require you be tethered. If you want all audio through one source it does, but that really isn't that bad by itself anyway. You could have game audio through the device speakers and your comms through a Bluetooth headset as an alternative.
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Infinitum posted:My favourite is Gulf War Gameboy This always blew my mind because my original Game Boy stopped working through normal wear and tear. Saxophone posted:Some of y'all seem to really really want to hear about how any given random 13 year old kid has slept with your mom. Because that's about all you get from built in voice. No, I primarily play online games with my friends. We party up and enjoy talking to each other the whole time. Not being able to party chat with your friends was ridiculous in 2008 and is ridiculous now. I guess it's neat I can buy a headset that I have to plug into my phone and Switch, however this is a downgrade from Nintendo's last console. In the Call of Duty games on Wii U, you could plug in a headset to the gamepad and use voice chat.
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https://twitter.com/nicalis/status/870336576110313474 Does the actual game have anything new?
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Cave story plus? Sign me u-oh, nicalis. Nevermind.
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cave story giving RE4 a run for its money with all these ports. I'd rather have RE4 on Switch, though.
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SeANMcBAY posted:https://twitter.com/nicalis/status/870336576110313474 A few extra bonus levels, "Subtle" graphical improvements, and they will patch in local multiplayer at a date TBD so someone in the same room can play Curly. In all actuality it will have the same graphics as the 3DS version which you can get for $14.99. Looks just as good in 3D or Non 3D. Utnayan fucked around with this message at 19:30 on Jun 1, 2017 |
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DLC Inc posted:cave story giving RE4 a run for its money with all these ports. I'd rather have RE4 on Switch, though. I am doomed, like many people, to buy RE4 on literally every platform I have possible so yes, give me RE4 on Switch.
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SeANMcBAY posted:https://twitter.com/nicalis/status/870336576110313474 Looks like they added a "+"
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If you play your game audio through the speakers your teammates can hear it and they probably hate you
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Rad Valtar posted:Having a phone app for party chat is probably the dumbest thing about this cool console so please don't defend stupid decisions just because you still have a hard in from playing Zelda.  XyrlocShammypants posted:You'll be able to use an app, or you can use an app already on the cell phone (Like discord) and if someone calls me during a match I will be able to touch tap over to the phone call and then touch tap back over to my game lobby. how many thousands of high level teams are you expecting on a nintendo console game that what "high level teams" do is justification for bad design decisions that's like all those MMO players expecting devs to cater to the top tier raiders in all gameplay aspects when they represent something like one tenth of one percent of the overall playerbase
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