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Majorian posted:I am aware of this. Problem is, this was a non-binding agreement, so it probably wouldn't have done much. It's still a bad move, but no worse than a lot of the terrible international blunders we've made over the past 17 years. This is probably the beginning of the end of 70 years of carefully crafted US policy to make every country dependent on us. Weather this will be better or worse, long-term, is hard to tell. We are truly in uncharted waters. One thing is for sure, Putin must be happy as gently caress as US power and influence crumbles. 
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BarbarianElephant posted:He don't care. 20 years and he will be dead of old age. Not his problem. We've all seen how he eats and what his lifestyle is like. Left to his own devices, his body will crap out in no more than 10.
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Fojar38 posted:All of us dislike the US leaving the Paris agreement. But some of us are approaching it rationally while others are engaging in fever dreams of a united Sino-German empire imposing sanctions on the USA. Their numbers are fudged, but they are actively engaging in efforts to correct their pollution.
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Solaris 2.0 posted:This is probably the beginning of the end of 70 years of carefully crafted US policy to make every country dependent on us. Weather this will be better or worse, long-term, is hard to tell. We are truly in uncharted waters. Really? It wasn't Kyoto, or Iraq, or pulling out of the ABM treaty? We've been going down this stupid path for quite a while dude.
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Well, the accomplishes little part is true, since the treaty doesn't contain any penalties for failing to meet your targets, as a concession to the US
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Little Mac posted:Alexa Bliss sucks almost as much as your terrible trolling. RUDE!
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Fojar38 posted:All of us dislike the US leaving the Paris agreement. But some of us are approaching it rationally while others are engaging in fever dreams of a united Sino-German empire imposing sanctions on the USA. OK, thanks for clarifying. Also, thanks for reminding me, I gotta look into whether I can get German citizenship under the restoration laws. I'll have my wife make an appointment at the embassy for me. You know, just in case they're right.
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Drone posted:We've all seen how he eats and what his lifestyle is like. Left to his own devices, his body will crap out in no more than 10. Even less his problem then. He will die vindicated, knowing that this climate change thing was liberal lies.
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The Glumslinger posted:Well, the accomplishes little part is true, since the treaty doesn't contain any penalties for failing to meet your targets, as a concession to the US part of me is really glad you guys wont rule the world anymore
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Solaris 2.0 posted:As a man of German descent, I welcome my future-German overlords with open arms if it means the final death of fascism. As a fellow man of German descent, I second this thought. Though TBH, I'll be fine with the US becoming an occupied German territory if it means cheap and easy access to the best available hefeweizen, too. 
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Drone posted:We've all seen how he eats and what his lifestyle is like. Left to his own devices, his body will crap out in no more than 10. That's gonna be a really good day, and I think we'll all still be around to celebrate it. 
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DoctorGonzo posted:RUDE! But true! Well, at least the bit about being terrible.
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Solaris 2.0 posted:This is probably the beginning of the end of 70 years of carefully crafted US policy to make every country dependent on us. Weather this will be better or worse, long-term, is hard to tell. We are truly in uncharted waters. American primacy is the result of both policy and the facts on the ground, one of these being a significant portion of the world, including China and Germany, are export economies that use the massive US economy to absorb their exports and keep their economies humming. That's another thing that's hilarious about the notion of punitive German action against the US. The USA is a massive market for German goods. Germany is not a massive market for US goods (it's a large market for US services though). The US running a massive trade deficit with virtually the entire planet is hugely important to US power.
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Sydney Bottocks posted:As a fellow man of German descent, I second this thought. Fuckin' Weihenstephaner to the rescue
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This religious punt could be President? thesaurus.com, please. Yap yap, make the rich richer, the earth greyer. Zeluth fucked around with this message at 20:38 on Jun 1, 2017 |
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Solaris 2.0 posted:As a man of German descent, I welcome my future-German overlords with open arms if it means the final death of fascism. Germany's trade surplus and policies forcing the ECB to maintain deflation in the Eurozone are a short-term boon to Germany relative to its neighbors, but it is setting Germany up for a major economic catastrophe down the road. Not to mention that Germany's national defense is 100% reliant on the US military and other countries acting as a human shield. Fascism will probably be fairly popular again in Germany in 2030.
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BarbarianElephant posted:He don't care. 20 years and he will be dead of old age. Not his problem. He's not making it that long Look at him It has been 5 months, and he looks like even more dogshit than when he started
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To a smart Democratic Party this would cement that whoever is on the 2020 ticket will run on a platform of climate change and staying in the Paris agreement. "If you elect me, we will stay in the Paris agreement, we will not abandon our children and our children's children" We'll see if the Democratic Party is smart.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Germany's trade surplus and policies forcing the ECB to maintain deflation in the Eurozone are a short-term boon to Germany relative to its neighbors, but it is setting Germany up for a major economic catastrophe down the road. No, you see Merkel will save the west. #Hillary2020, #HerTurn
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Are people really clapping over the withdraw..
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*Pause for barely audible clapping* Thank you.
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Sloober posted:He's not making it that long http://www.theonion.com/blogpost/when-youre-feeling-low-just-remember-ill-be-dead-i-31008
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The Glumslinger posted:Well, the accomplishes little part is true, since the treaty doesn't contain any penalties for failing to meet your targets, as a concession to
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Reminder that the accord says every country can determine their own standards so when Trump says he wants a better deal, he's just lying outright. edit: or is just unaware of what he's removing us from which is probably more likely.
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Merkel's been in power a long time, I assume she will lose the next election. Even without term limits, being a world leader that long is draining, and the voters just start to hate you after that long and want a change.
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We're getting out of the Paris accords but will be trying to get back in.
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Mide posted:Are people really clapping over the withdraw.. It's literally their job to clap.
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So this is negotiation time or pull out? Anyways CUVFEFE!
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Germany's trade surplus and policies forcing the ECB to maintain deflation in the Eurozone are a short-term boon to Germany relative to its neighbors, but it is setting Germany up for a major economic catastrophe down the road. Yeah, in line with what I was talking about with a significant portion of US influence coming from its massive economy combined with its willingness to run trade deficits with the rest of the world, ironically this means that the US is likely to be better shielded than most from the exporters crisis that we're already seeing the beginnings of (mostly in China.) It's a really really really good thing that reversing that deficit is virtually impossible.
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BarbarianElephant posted:Merkel's been in power a long time, I assume she will lose the next election. Even without term limits, being a world leader that long is draining, and the voters just start to hate you after that long and want a change. If I understand right her party is completely destroying all comers in the polls right now.
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It's kind of weird to see people arguing that a huge reduction in the US's soft power through having a seat at the table is ok because "hey it's non-binding and not perfect so who cares?plus China lies lol". I'm not sure what to make of that. You probably deserve Trump.
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Kurtofan posted:part of me is really glad you guys wont rule the world anymore The likely successors are likely gonna be just as bad, if not worse, but welp, they get their shot now. I hope its Germany +EU and not Russia or China
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Mide posted:Are people really clapping over the withdraw.. They're like staffers or something. Its a thrown together photo op to feed Trump's ego and make this sellable to the Fox News crowd as some kind of major achievement.
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squirrelzipper posted:It's kind of weird to see people arguing that a huge reduction in the US's soft power through having a seat at the table is ok because "hey it's non-binding and not perfect so who cares?plus China lies lol". That's a genuinely lovely thing to say, especially since no one is arguing that it isn't bad.
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Mystic Mongol posted:It's literally their job to clap. If they don't clap the bomb collars go off.
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BarbarianElephant posted:Merkel's been in power a long time, I assume she will lose the next election. Even without term limits, being a world leader that long is draining, and the voters just start to hate you after that long and want a change. CDU is projected to win a plurality in the bundestag again and she will probably stay chancellor
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