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Fojar38 posted:Well, I don't try to be an rear end in a top hat most of the time. please shut the gently caress up
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coal jobs are about as relevant as bowling jobs. the only reason it's politically relevant is that it makes a very small group of old white guys immensely wealthy and it still powers a lot of the country....but it's not because it's employing a ton of Real Americans
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Michael Scott posted:You guys think the Melania thing is true? the details maybe not, but the outline almost certainly. there's no way she's not stepping out and there's no way he doesn't know it
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Jaxyon posted:Unsolicited campaign slogan for Dems: It's really the only real bad part about Hillary probably not running.
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Michael Scott posted:You guys think the Melania thing is true? you have zero reason to believe a series of unsubstantiated tweets from a science fiction writer that rely on an alleged anonymous source do not use social media as the primary source of your news and information
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Well I hope that Womans got her Massive Lawsuit insurance paid-up*. * Yes, Melania is a public figure now etc, it could be true etc, none of this stops a vindictive Trump from bankrupting her with a massive, rolls on forever lawsuit.
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boner confessor posted:please shut the gently caress up What's a lamaphobe?
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Jaxyon posted:coal jobs are about as relevant as bowling jobs. the only reason it's politically relevant is that it makes a very small group of old white guys immensely wealthy and it still powers a lot of the country....but it's not because it's employing a ton of Real Americans Well, and because coal workers vote, and because of the way they voted, Trump is now President.
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QuoProQuid posted:you have zero reason to believe a series of unsubstantiated tweets from a science fiction writer that rely on an anonymous source In fact, she even admits you probably shouldn't just take her at her word.
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St. Dogbert posted:The first person to come up with a feasible manner for removing stupid people's right to vote wins one hundred (100) brownie points. Just loving kill them quietly and don't tell anyone you did it. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Deptfordx posted:Well I hope that Womans got her Massive Lawsuit insurance paid-up*. Anti-SLAPP laws come into play now since he is President. Also there is probably about a billion or so lawyers who would love to take a first amendment case against Trump. Roughly.
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Kaboobi posted:here's a good thread about trump maybe being the cuck all along I believe it. I'd heard the bit about them planning a divorce before the election but that being scrapped once he won already. The rest isn't surprising.
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-Blackadder- posted:How are the black lung disease levels in modern coal mining anyway? There was some Trumpkin on 60 Minutes or something that said he was literally dying of black lung disease, and that he's on Obamacare, which is the only thing that's keeping him alive, but that despite that, he would STILL vote for Trump next time around.
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I do not think Melania divorcing The Donald is in the cards any time soon.
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Krispy Kareem posted:There are country songs that glamorize farming. Western songs that beautify cattle ranching. Bluegrass songs that romanize moonshining. I have never heard a happy song about coal mining. Literally every one is, "work hard, get screwed, maybe die today, definitely black lung later". It's not about a selfless desire by politicians to help the unwashed masses, it's not even about nostalgia. It's because they're gaming the desperate rubes who have Stockholm Syndrome with an exploitative and destructive industry and they feel like there's nowhere else they can go; so, jangle the shiny keys of coal jobs and they'll jump (ie vote) compulsively and immediately. It's completely abusive and the politicians know it but will never admit to it publicly. It's quite literally the equivalent of a toxic codependent relationship with an abusive husband that beats you on a socioeconomic scale. Just look at West Virginia for a case study. It's really loving ugly - and I don't just mean the shaved off hills. Teriyaki Koinku fucked around with this message at 22:41 on Jun 1, 2017 |
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Majorian posted:Well, and because coal workers vote, and because of the way they voted, Trump is now President. I hate to say it but until you can eliminate the narrative that renewable energy investment (largely promoted by Democratic presidents) is what killed the coal industry you should expect coal country to remain a red wasteland for some time. As has been mentioned by other posters, voters in that region quite literally want nothing other than their coal jobs back and any attempt to prop up that industry would involve wasting enormous amounts of money on an environmentally destructive and economically inefficient practice.
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tetrapyloctomy posted:Especially given how loving terrible Pittsburgh's air used to be. I'm from Pittsburgh and I I hope these motherfuckers die slow and terrible deaths when their ends come, and it would still be better than they deserve.
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Majorian posted:Well, and because coal workers vote, and because of the way they voted, Trump is now President. No what happened is a bunch of white people who claim to care about coal voted because they are mad at brown people and vaginas and the brown poeple had their vote suppressed almost nobody works in coal
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JasonV posted:https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/870077441401905152 gently caress hillary etc etc but lol at the difference in replies and likes
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Papal Infallibility posted:I hate to say it but until you can eliminate the narrative that renewable energy investment (largely promoted by Democratic presidents) is what killed the coal industry you should expect coal country to remain a red wasteland for some time. As has been mentioned by other posters, voters in that region quite literally want nothing other than their coal jobs back and any attempt to prop up that industry would involve wasting enormous amounts of money on an environmentally destructive and economically inefficient practice. The Dems have a pretty easy narrative that they could adopt, though: mining has moved out west, to places like Wyoming. All for Republican/Halliburton pork. Promise them relief.
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Jaxyon posted:No what happened is a bunch of white people who claim to care about coal voted because they are mad at brown people and vaginas and the brown poeple had their vote suppressed Like I literally used bowling as an example because nearly the same amount of people work in as do coal
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Jaxyon posted:No what happened is a bunch of white people who claim to care about coal voted because they are mad at brown people and vaginas and the brown poeple had their vote suppressed That's a lazy cop-out of an answer that does nothing to put Pennsylvania back in the Dem column.
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Since most things are manufactured overseas now, the people keeping America running are the people that maintain things, as well as some service jobs. So yeah coal miners make no sense. The real blue collar hero's are mechanics, electricians, plumbers, and construction workers.
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Fojar38 posted:As it stands, it doesn't really matter. The US is too large and powerful to ignore based on who controls the government. The world's sole superpower simply not being in the Paris agreement already defangs it in a noticeable way. No it just gives China, India, and everyone else who stick together on it that much more leverage against the US. The US is the top country in the world but it sure as poo poo isn't the stronger party in negotiations when up against the rest of the developed/developing world.
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Majorian posted:That's a lazy cop-out of an answer that does nothing to put Pennsylvania back in the Dem column. No talking about coal is lazy because it's clearly a dogwhistle to "good white industry jobs" and acting like it isn't is lazy as hell. Coal voters don't matter. People who are being fired up by making coal a partisan issue do. You're not going to get Pennsylvania conservatives to vote Dem by pandering to coal because none of them work in it and the dem won't be saying the right things about the dirty brown people and abortion.
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Evil Fluffy posted:No it just gives China, India, and everyone else who stick together on it that much more leverage against the US. The US is the top country in the world but it sure as poo poo isn't the stronger party in negotiations when up against the rest of the developed/developing world. What leverage does a non-binding agreement give them over the US?
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Michael Scott posted:You guys think the Melania thing is true? It fits with all known facts but that doesn't make it a fact.
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enraged_camel posted:Yeah, remember that Trump's idea of "renegotiation" is taking a hundred million dollar loan from a bank, losing it, then sitting down with the bank to "renegotiate" and basically telling them that if they don't forgive a huge portion of the loan, he is declaring bankruptcy, which means they get none of the money back. Then spinning the whole thing as "see? this way, everyone benefits. the art of the deal!" If he stays President, I can bet there will be three years private communications with EU and others promising he'll rejoin the Paris agreement in exchange for some trade concession or something else equally petty/showy he can use to prove he's a super-negotiator. It won't work (please please please let me be right) but I'm sure he's seeing this as "creating leverage".
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Witnessed this little showdown today. OP has been making GBS threads on Dems (which he is) since Day One of Trump's presidency. I'm sure there are both people who agree and disagree with him in this thread, so what's the overall take? For me personally; OP is being incredibly naive in thinking the Democrats should just be super civil and only criticize Trump if its of utmost necessity. I'm sure being spineless nerds with boring and sound policies will totally work.     Hans turns into Joyce and then Reanne. Barb turns into Fred and then Tom.
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Jaxyon posted:No talking about coal is lazy because it's clearly a dogwhistle to "good white industry jobs" and acting like it isn't is lazy as hell. Coal voters don't matter. People who are being fired up by making coal a partisan issue do. Who cares about PA conservatives? I'm interested in those who voted for Obama twice, and voted Dem consistently from 1988 to 2012, but didn't turn out or defected to Trump in 2016.
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Majorian posted:Who cares about PA conservatives? I'm interested in those who voted for Obama twice, and voted Dem consistently from 1988 to 2012, but didn't turn out or defected to Trump in 2016. And you think the massive amount of coal industry employees was the factor here. And I'm being the intellectually lazy one.
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Jaxyon posted:And you think the massive amount of coal industry employees was the factor here. No, I think coal workers were part of the problem, as were other laid-off/underemployed industrial workers. The point is, the Dems need to promise a jobs program if they want to win in those Blue Wall states again.
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Jaxyon posted:No talking about coal is lazy because it's clearly a dogwhistle to "good white industry jobs" and acting like it isn't is lazy as hell. Coal voters don't matter. People who are being fired up by making coal a partisan issue do. i'm glad we're now measuring human worth by the size of a person's voting bloc. next time someone complains to me about the decline of their community and their livelihood, im just going to answer "well, yeah, but mining and manufacturing is an increasingly small part of the american economy and..." the declining quality of life in communities across west virginia, kentucky, and pennsyvlania should be a concern for americans. the democrats ignore those issues at their own peril. Majorian posted:What leverage does a non-binding agreement give them over the US? i suppose that it makes other countries question u.s. commitment to any international agreement or negotiation. it is hard to work with a country when there's a chance that your work will be rendered obsolete in four years.
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Majorian posted:The Dems have a pretty easy narrative that they could adopt, though: mining has moved out west, to places like Wyoming. All for Republican/Halliburton pork. Promise them relief. Why would these voters find that any more compelling than the equally true argument that natural gas and oil have displaced coal? What "relief" is being offered that they will take over their old industry?
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