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Amish Ninja posted:Is it just me or is Swain incredibly strong both mid and top? Rush your RoA (usually I'd modify my build based on matchup but the extra HP over time is so strong), get Liandry's and burn everyone down. You don't have a long range or too much burst damage even with Liandry's but you shove waves really well and are hard to kill. My damage is usually the highest or very close to the ADC's. He's able to consistently contribute a lot to teamfights. I usually play jungler but lately I've been doing this and stacking LP toward Gold. Is he weaker at higher ELOs? Who do I need to look out for in terms of matchups in either lane? he's real beefy and can 1v5 lategame but the issue is he has no initiation so he's incredibly teamate reliant when it comes to lategame pushes/objectives it's p common for things to fall apart cause no one else wants to commit to fights. Did placements with a friend and he went swain top where we only ended up goin 50/50 cause of those sorts of situations, we since switched to a zilean/maokai duo and the ability to simply take initiative and pull the game around has made a world of difference. After placements we've had an 80% winrate.
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Amish Ninja posted:Is it just me or is Swain incredibly strong both mid and top? Rush your RoA (usually I'd modify my build based on matchup but the extra HP over time is so strong), get Liandry's and burn everyone down. You don't have a long range or too much burst damage even with Liandry's but you shove waves really well and are hard to kill. My damage is usually the highest or very close to the ADC's. He's able to consistently contribute a lot to teamfights. I usually play jungler but lately I've been doing this and stacking LP toward Gold. Is he weaker at higher ELOs? Who do I need to look out for in terms of matchups in either lane? You can ride the Swain train to plat if you want.
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uttering the words "im challenger" in teamchat before the game starts should result in a kick and a 24h ban. 4 supports in a row said that and well no i dont think they are a challenger. lvl20 normals:(
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datajugend posted:uttering the words "im challenger" in teamchat before the game starts should result in a kick and a 24h ban. 4 supports in a row said that and well no i dont think they are a challenger. lvl20 normals:(
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Jun 2, 2017 04:05
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Teikanmi posted:24 minutes Xin is absolute loving trash every time I get him on my team I just dodge. Same with udyr. These players always build full squishy which only works in splitpush 1v1 which only like 1% of them do, most of them just build like an adc except they dive into 5 people. From champs who build full dmg like Xin I think Nocturne is actually good. Nocturne with armor pen can one shot adc with his ult and empowered auto. Also he has a spell shield + q movespeed to get away. Whenever I see a xin they always lose even if they have kills because their build is atrocious. I don't see many Nocturnes either but they normally tend to do well.
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Jun 2, 2017 04:45
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Playing with Noc in solo queue owns because you'll be getting crushed bot and he ults to gank top and their lane immediately runs toward tower like gently caress gently caress FXCK FGKRICKCCKCKCKCK
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Jun 2, 2017 05:50
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swain is strong because no one buys a grievous wounds item
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Jun 2, 2017 06:23
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Swain is one of the worst offenders of "ball of stats" because if he gets ahead, he's unkillable but if he's behind he's a worthless walking gold pile for the enemy team
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kingcobweb posted:Playing with Noc in solo queue owns because you'll be getting crushed bot and he ults to gank top and their lane immediately runs toward tower like gently caress gently caress FXCK FGKRICKCCKCKCKCK I had a solo q nocturne once who had like TONS of games and he tried to gank with ult like from the river brush I was like "bro I don't mean to tell you your business but you can just walk from behind me that's literally why your ult is so amazing" He could do it so that there was 0% chance he would ever be seen but he did it the other way??
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Jun 2, 2017 07:01
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I've been carried by Nocturnes before, in fact more often than not I usually feel like Nocturnes on my team play pretty well The really good ones know how to scare ganks off with their ult even if they're nowhere near and are good at blowing up the squishy with their combo
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Stefan Prodan posted:I had a solo q nocturne once who had like TONS of games and he tried to gank with ult like from the river brush To be fair I was confused as poo poo the first time I played him because I expected his ult range to be like twice what it actually is. At rank one it's 2500; for comparison, maxed Zac jump is 1800 and Pantheon ult is 5500
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Ulio posted:Xin is absolute loving trash every time I get him on my team I just dodge. Same with udyr. These players always build full squishy which only works in splitpush 1v1 which only like 1% of them do, most of them just build like an adc except they dive into 5 people. A Xin that gets ahead is an unholy terror. Udyr is just garbage. I think, anyway. I haven't even seen that judo hobo ever in months.
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People don't understand how Udyr works. This game featured a handful of kills where people got stunned, Tiger DoTed, then flashed immediately and died. And raged, so hard. Then the whole enemy team complained about Warwick because "At least their team has a jungler who shows up," and all I could think was... "You guys put on the buffet Warwick didn't really have a chance to do anything." E: ToxicSlurpee posted:Udyr is just garbage. (Seriously though, Udyr is fine - good, not great - but enemies can and should exploit your crippling weakness but picking like anyone with a short CD slow.)
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Yeah but now imagine you play Udyr into a Ezreal / Morgana, Talon mid, Swain top and Ivern jungle and see how you feel about him when you're being kited forever and there's no way to ever get to a squishy Also their team had no tank so there's that
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Jun 2, 2017 07:16
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Udyrs stats are garbage right now, and i'm GUESSING its not because nobody knows how to play the champ that only auto attacks and has been in the game for 19 years.
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Tales of Woe posted:Swain is really strong vs anyone who doesn't outrange him which means he's good top and matchup-dependent in mid. A good jungler is gonna try to kill him before he's level 6 but if he makes it there unscathed he's pretty hard to deal with.
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Teikanmi posted:Yeah but now imagine you play Udyr into a Ezreal / Morgana, Talon mid, Swain top and Ivern jungle and see how you feel about him when you're being kited forever and there's no way to ever get to a squishy Their team not having anyone stockier than Cinderhulk Warwick was also not the issue. I managed to gank top successfully at 3, then rotate on Warwick at his red (assuming he did the full Blue-Gromp-Wolves since he was 3) where I picked up another kill and his other buff. In news to no one, the jungler who ganks often and capitalizes on their enemies' poor positioning is the one that puts their team ahead to win. Securing all 3 dragons, Herald, and the first tower probably also helped.
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Jun 2, 2017 07:23
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gvibes posted:I am trying to learn to solo lane with swain. I seem to only have bad issues with champs with dashes that can get in my poo poo, like ekko or yasuo. Also, if I am up against an AD champ that rushes executioners around when I hit six, that sucks. Also his auto attack is one of the worst in the game
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gvibes posted:I am trying to learn to solo lane with swain. I seem to only have bad issues with champs with dashes that can get in my poo poo, like ekko or yasuo. Also, if I am up against an AD champ that rushes executioners around when I hit six, that sucks. harass them often, more often than they can all in, and save your magic circle to set all ins. if they can not burst you down you can sustain back up and keep pressure up. his auto kind of sucks so auto harassing is a pain but never give up dammit. swain would not give up on you
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pog boyfriend posted:harass them often, more often than they can all in, and save your magic circle to set all ins. if they can not burst you down you can sustain back up and keep pressure up. his auto kind of sucks so auto harassing is a pain but never give up dammit. swain would not give up on you This is an incredibly hard lesson to learn for people like me who are bad at League. It took me forever to be able to do anything against a Riven or Rumble or whatever because it's just cooldowns you're playing around and I'm used to a much slow pace than an 8-second clock.
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Teikanmi posted:Also his auto attack is one of the worst in the game it's still really bad but it used to be so much worse
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I don't think they improved on it at all, it's still low AD, weird windup, and his last hitting assist in the laser bird always leaves minions just low enough for the poo poo eating melee minion on your side to get the last hit instead of you
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people used to poo poo talk old zileans animations but honestly long wind ups are satisfying to me and i used to play adc zilean on my smurf(i never play real builds against noobs). swains is janky but not like old jax or karthus janky E: and rude loving hell he can take that scroll and stick it somewhere safe pog boyfriend fucked around with this message at 16:05 on Jun 2, 2017 |
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Teikanmi posted:Also his auto attack is one of the worst in the game It's not great. Took me a little while to get used to last hitting with him but once I got that part down it was fine. I always play the Tyrant skin though, and supposedly the AA animation on that skin isn't as janky as the others. pog boyfriend posted:harass them often, more often than they can all in, and save your magic circle to set all ins. if they can not burst you down you can sustain back up and keep pressure up. his auto kind of sucks so auto harassing is a pain but never give up dammit. swain would not give up on you Pretty much. Level Q first and use it to both harass them when they go to last hit and to aid in your own last hitting. Pay attention to how Q prioritizes targets - Q + E on your opponent can drop their health pretty fast if they don't walk out of it immediately. Get a sense of how they respond to your harass so that you can predict how they'll move when you try to W them; You do mostly want to use it defensively but if you're confident enough and they're passive, you can also use it to kill them 1v1 once you've gotten them low enough through attrition. Otherwise you'll want to save it for ganks. While harassing your opponent can be effective at denying them farm and wearing them down in lane, do your best not to sacrifice any CS while doing so.
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i think the most underrated mid laner is xerath, since he has a fairly easy stun and one of the best creep clearing skills in the game. it's nearly impossible to push towers without baron buff against a competent xerath player. all my favorite support champions get smushed by him too
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is xerath actually good or do xerath stans just sell him as good by stomping people who have no idea how he works ? who knows,
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Allow me to introduce my friend "VIMASTER"  31 minutes  Luckily I carried his dumb rear end by telling him exactly what to do at all points in the game and who to ult and when to ult them edit: oh and he gave first blood and a blue buff to their anivia at level 3 by diving her under tower when she had egg (though anivia just stunned her and vi didn't even pop her passive) Teikanmi fucked around with this message at 19:20 on Jun 2, 2017 |
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kingcobweb posted:Was it your nemesis and mine, KingOfEloHell, the worst King in all of league I played with this guy and he was toxic and bad. That being said I got autofilled into support and didn't dodge so I probably deserved some of it. We won anyways. It's my only ranked win ever playing support. Welp, that's my KingOfEloHell story.
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pog boyfriend posted:is xerath actually good or do xerath stans just sell him as good by stomping people who have no idea how he works ? who knows, Vel'koz came out at the same time as the xerath rework and has been slightly better than xerath for pretty much the entire time since then.
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pog boyfriend posted:is xerath actually good or do xerath stans just sell him as good by stomping people who have no idea how he works ? who knows, Xerath's Q hitbox is in the top4 dumbest, alongside Yasuo/Janna tornados and Amumu Q.
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I like xerath, he has the waveclear of ziggs (well, not globally) so he can play safe if he has to, but also can be more aggressive with stunorbs if you aren't going to get murdered. It's also way easier to 360 noscope his q. protip screw ludens and build a liandries on him instead, its basically the same damage and you also get hp.
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iSurrender posted:Xerath's Q hitbox is in the top4 dumbest, alongside Yasuo/Janna tornados and Amumu Q. NAUTILUS
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Thresh hook is up there too Also that Syndra move where she knocks the orbs back has way more range than it looks liks
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The worst indicator is the Cait one after you step on a trap. I'll be so far back from the death indicator and she'll still headshot with it and it's BULLSHIT
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Nautilus hook makes me mad at video games because at max range I'll see it fall to the ground as if it missed, I get like .25 seconds of relief, THEN I get hooked by it. I'd probably be less annoyed if it had the same range but that particular animation didn't happen
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Jun 2, 2017 21:32
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Nautilus's hook is made of super strong magnets
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swain is a disgusting lane bully top that is basically strong at every point in the game, i've been riding the swain elo train at 60% winrate in plat he's less of a lane bully mid but still pretty good
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