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ijyt posted:
So your strategy is to imply that you have a severe cognitive disability? Bold.
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chutche2 posted:Coupla Iron Hands I'd take a bunker and not the bastion. It has a smaller footprint and costs less points. I recommend building your core list around 2,000 points and focusing on what each unit will do in your army. Good list building is pretty hard even at 2,000 points, but once you have that down you can expand pretty freely. Your gimmick is 'outflank all your tanks while having a bunker in your deployment zone'. Beyond that you need to figure out how you're going to deal with things like fliers, AV15, primarchs, typhons, and things like outflanking vets. Let’s start with your bunker. The important criteria is for whatever you put inside to survive and to be scoring. Anything else is secondary. You could put a heavy support squad into it, but that's taking away from your other gimmick. Other legions do it better. HS squads also don't score and take up one of your very important HS slots. I'd probably limit myself to troops. A 10-20 man tactical squad is cheapest, but does the least. Breachers would be better as a defensive unit, but they cost more points. A tactical support squad or seekers would give you some shooting, but now you're stuck with a 250 point tactical squad doing something else being equally useless. I’m going to assume you go with a bunker and a 10 man tactical squad inside. Give it a quadgun and suddenly it has shooting. Now you need to figure out what to do with your other troops choice. Assault marines don't play into your gimmick. That leaves you with breachers in a proteus or a mechanized tactical squad. Once you pick one of those you need to figure out what to do with your HQ. Autek is a scary motherfucker and can kill primarchs with the right boyfriends. Choose a boyfriend squad for him and then a ride. An outflanking Spartan with a bunch of gorgons is scary poo poo. If that makes you hard, do it, but it's going to be a huge chunk of your army. Otherwise you can get away with a phobos. Comedy option is to take a stormlord. So there's half your army right there and you don't even have a backup unit for your backline. Some good choices here are a pair of thudd guns (separate slots) or taking an Iron Hand Praevian with 2-3 castellax. This is not a cheap unit, but at T8 and with the option of grav on the arms you've got a really flexible unit- tough, ok in melee, good shooting, great against tanks. Say you go cheap and just take some thudd guns. You're up to about 1500 points now, but can finally can start to bring your toys. You've got all your bases covered. Everything else should go straight into your gimmick of outflanking heavy armour. At 2500 points that means you have 1000 points to play around with. That can be a whole lot of predators, Orth in a superheavy, seekers in rhinos, a landraider squadron, etc. I know that vets are super good, but look outside the box since you have free outflank. 
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May 31, 2017 18:04
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adamantium|wang posted:Warhammer 30K: You are bloodline is weak gently caress
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May 31, 2017 18:48
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Yeah I couldn't find the bunker in battlescribe but now I see, wall of martyrs. If it has a quad gun though it can't have a comms relay? Thanks for the help so far by the way. +++ Iron hands (Warhammer 30,000 - The Horus Heresy) [2500pts] +++ ++ The Age of Darkness (Legiones Astartes: Age of Darkness Army List) [2500pts] ++ + HQ + Iron-father Autek Mor [240pts]: Cortex Controller, Cyber-familiar, Father to the Brethren of Iron, Legiones Astartes, Master of the Legion + Elites + Gorgon Terminator Squad [610pts]: Gorgon Hammerbearer, 4x Gorgon Terminator, Heavy Flamer, Legiones Astartes, Pair of Lightning Claws, 3x Power Fist . . Legion Spartan Assault Tank: Armoured Ceramite, Flare Shield, Legiones Astartes, Quad Lascannon Sponsons, Searchlight and Smoke Launchers, Twin-Linked Heavy Bolter Legion Quad Launcher Support Battery [70pts]: Legion Rapier, Legiones Astartes, Shatter Shell Legion Quad Launcher Support Battery [70pts]: Legion Rapier, Legiones Astartes, Shatter Shell + Troops + Legion Tactical Squad [185pts]: 9x Legion Tactical Space Marines, Legiones Astartes . . Additional Wargear: Bolters . . Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier: Multi Melta, Twin-Linked Bolter . . Legion Tactical Sergeant . . . . Combi-weapon: Combi-weapon: Plasma gun . . Standard Wargear: Bolt Pistols, Frag and Krak Grenades, Power Armour Legion Tactical Squad [135pts]: 9x Legion Tactical Space Marines, Legiones Astartes . . Additional Wargear: Bolters . . Legion Tactical Sergeant . . . . Combi-weapon: Combi-weapon: Plasma gun . . Standard Wargear: Bolt Pistols, Frag and Krak Grenades, Power Armour + Fast Attack + Legion Seeker Squad [350pts]: 7x Legion Seeker Space Marines, Legiones Astartes . . Additional Wargear . . . . Combi-weapon: Combi-weapon: Plasma gun . . . . Combi-weapon: Combi-weapon: Plasma gun . . . . Combi-weapon: Combi-weapon: Plasma gun . . . . Combi-weapon: Combi-weapon: Plasma gun . . . . Combi-weapon: Combi-weapon: Plasma gun . . . . Combi-weapon: Combi-weapon: Plasma gun . . . . Combi-weapon: Combi-weapon: Plasma gun . . Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier: Multi Melta, Twin-Linked Bolter . . Legion Strike Leader: Artificer Armour, Melta Bombs . . Standard Wargear: Bolt Pistols, Bolters, Frag and Krak Grenades, Power Armour + Heavy Support + Legion Predator Strike Armoured Squadron [445pts]: Squadron Command Tank . . Legion Predator Tank: Magna-Melta Cannon, Searchlight and Smoke Launchers . . Legion Predator Tank: Machine Spirit, Magna-Melta Cannon, Searchlight and Smoke Launchers . . Legion Predator Tank: Machine Spirit, Magna-Melta Cannon, Searchlight and Smoke Launchers Legion Vindicator Siege Tank Squadron [120pts] . . Legion Vindicator Tank: Combi-Bolter, Demolisher Cannon, Searchlight and Smoke Launchers Sicaran Venator Tank Destroyer [190pts]: Hull Mounted Neutron Beam Laser, Pintle-mounted Heavy Bolter, Searchlight and Smoke Launchers + Allegiance + Legiones Astartes: X: Iron Hands, Loyalist Rite of War: The Head of the Gorgon + Fortification + Wall of Martyrs Imperial Bunker [85pts]: Barricades, Comms Relay Created with BattleScribe
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May 31, 2017 19:02
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JBP posted:I want some alphas just because I like them, but I wasn't aware of this cool rule. To clarify since no one answered this: it's not a default part of the alphas, it's a part of their Coils of the Hydra rite.
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May 31, 2017 19:05
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All this excitement about retaining templates has caused me to do some work on the fluff for my Emperor's Children army. Pumped for 7.5. Emperor’s Children 23rd Millennial, The Elegant Host Commanding Officer: Herald-Captain Aeudaros Denoriel, Praetor of the Emperor’s Children 23rd Millennial, Herald of the Warmaster Flagship: Meaningful Silence The 23 Millennial, while deservedly lauded for excellence in a tremendous variety of fields, was most well known for having the most favorable Compliance/Death ratio during the great crusade. This was largely accomplished by the diplomatic skill of the commanding officer Captain Aeudaros Denoriel, who often served as a personal herald of the Emperor which such things were needed to reign in some of the more rowdy Legions. When diplomacy failed, Compliance was achieved by quick overpowering strikes at any leaders who would not capitulate. The 23rd Millennial often fought in support of other Legions, forming close ties with the Sons of Horus and the Blood Angels. The 23rd Millennial were often used to command vast formations of Imperial Army troops.Though inspiring in their leadership, casualty rates among human soldiers could grow quite high as the Space Marines were often held in reserve until a crucial blow needed to be struck. Notable art work from conquered worlds would often be taken into the vast collection aboard the Legion’s ships. Dark rumors began to circulate towards the end of the Great Crusade that if a culture had art Captain Denoriel found displeasing whole systems could be ruined for offending his aesthetic sensibilities. The towering pride and arrogance of the Emperor’s Children had found a great place to bloom. After the events of the Isstvan V, his almost fanatical loyalty to the Warmaster saw Captain Denoriel returned to his old role of Herald. This could often lead to conflicts with other commanders of the traitor forces, but often helped keep the vast army of rebellion from falling apart. Leading vast hordes of humans from conquered planets, the 23rd Millennial were right at home spearheading Dark Compliance by any means necessary. Though the toll in human lives was far more extravagant than before, then success rate more than made up for it.
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Cythereal posted:To clarify since no one answered this: it's not a default part of the alphas, it's a part of their Coils of the Hydra rite. And it's pretty restrictive with its requirements. You need three troop choices, and everything that can't infiltrate/deep strike needs a transport (or something like that?). You end up paying a hefty troop tax =(
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Jun 1, 2017 23:01
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Eifert Posting posted:So your strategy is to imply that you have a severe cognitive disability? As someone with a legit cognitive disability, can we not do this? Can't we just talk about sweet sweet 30k and 7.5?
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Jun 2, 2017 04:56
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Is it actually going to be 7.5 or is it going to be 7e but with HH artwork!
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Jun 2, 2017 05:09
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Der Waffle Mous posted:Is it actually going to be 7.5 or is it going to be 7e but with HH artwork! 7 but with rules tweaks so Sweeping wipes out both your unit and theirs.
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Jun 2, 2017 17:38
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It won't be 7th as we know it, but it's an open question how many changes they'll nake
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Jun 2, 2017 17:57
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BULBASAUR posted:It won't be 7th as we know it, but it's an open question how many changes they'll nake Flamer template: D3 hits Small template: D6 hits Large template: 2D6 hits
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Jun 2, 2017 17:59
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TTerrible posted:Flamer template: D3 hits They'll keep the scatter die, but now the arrow means that the closest unit within 2d6+d12 inches of the target unit in that direction also suffers d8 hits.
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Jun 2, 2017 18:22
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MasterSlowPoke posted:They'll keep the scatter die, but now the arrow means that the closest unit within 2d6+d12 inches of the target unit in that direction also suffers d8 hits. We can go deeper.
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Jun 2, 2017 18:24
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TTerrible posted:Flamer template: D3 shots
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Jun 2, 2017 18:51
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If they ditch templates I will be incredibly happy
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Jun 2, 2017 20:24
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Lord Twisted posted:If they ditch templates I will be incredibly happy Me too, but not for gameplay reasons.
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Jun 2, 2017 20:59
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I hope they ditch fun
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Jun 2, 2017 21:29
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That makes it sound like templates were responsible for the death of a loved one. I totally get why for gameplay reasons it is a sensible call, particularly in the era of batteries of quad mortars etc.. I think I will miss the physical implication of a blast going off amongst troops. It helps the visualisation whilst I am forging the narrative. Boom
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Jun 2, 2017 21:29
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That's why I always make sure to take a blowtorch to my opponents models as I drown them in phosphex templates.
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Jun 2, 2017 23:09
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Eifert Posting posted:So your strategy is to imply that you have a severe cognitive disability? Weak post try harder oval office
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Jun 2, 2017 23:11
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What would you guys hope to see in 7.5? My hopes for 8th have been signifigantly lessened as the meat of the game has been revealed and I'm looking forward to retreating into the familiar funk of HH.
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Jun 2, 2017 23:27
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adamantium|wang posted:What would you guys hope to see in 7.5? My hopes for 8th have been signifigantly lessened as the meat of the game has been revealed and I'm looking forward to retreating into the familiar funk of HH. U-turn into a full adoption of 8th especially removal if templates. No half measures. Streamlining - too many characters atm, too many ridiculous legion rules.
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Jun 2, 2017 23:31
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Nothing too crazy. I'd like them re-visit some of the special rules to make them more useful or easy to read. Stop random wizard powers and warlord traits. Tweak some of the weapon profiles like ordinance. Maybe take a few pointers from 8th like shooting pistols in assault and group over watch. Besides that? Nerf whatever army ijyt plays.
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Jun 2, 2017 23:46
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BULBASAUR posted:Nothing too crazy. I'd like them re-visit some of the special rules to make them more useful or easy to read. Stop random wizard powers and warlord traits. Tweak some of the weapon profiles like ordinance. Maybe take a few pointers from 8th like shooting pistols in assault and group over watch. You're edging hard rn not mentioning grenades
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Jun 3, 2017 00:38
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adamantium|wang posted:What would you guys hope to see in 7.5? My hopes for 8th have been signifigantly lessened as the meat of the game has been revealed and I'm looking forward to retreating into the familiar funk of HH. Warlord traits and psychic powers should be picked, not rolled. D should become S10 AP1 ID. Stomp should be similar. Psychic table rework to make powers generally more useful and eliminate trap tables like Telepathy. A bunch of legion-specific and model-specific changes.
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Jun 3, 2017 01:10
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adamantium|wang posted:What would you guys hope to see in 7.5? My hopes for 8th have been signifigantly lessened as the meat of the game has been revealed and I'm looking forward to retreating into the familiar funk of HH. Reclassify Melta Bombs as a melee weapon so you can stick it on vehicles as intended.
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Jun 3, 2017 01:29
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I'm getting a bunch of Mk III marines soon. What legion does blobs of tactical marines best?
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Jun 3, 2017 02:03
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Der Waffle Mous posted:I'm getting a bunch of Mk III marines soon. Imperial Fists.
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Jun 3, 2017 02:04
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Der Waffle Mous posted:I'm getting a bunch of Mk III marines soon. Uncle Pert's Frown Time Boyz
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Jun 3, 2017 02:10
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Der Waffle Mous posted:I'm getting a bunch of Mk III marines soon. Infiltrating 20-man blobs is fun and will make you friends. Hail hydra!
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Jun 3, 2017 02:14
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Der Waffle Mous posted:I'm getting a bunch of Mk III marines soon. World Eaters of course.
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Jun 3, 2017 02:36
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gently caress. Well. World Eaters are out because someone here already plays 'em. Alpha Legion are rad but I feel like having them in Mk III wouldn't be right. Iron Warriors vs. Fists are more or less about whether painting yellow or painting hazard stripes intimidates me more.
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Jun 3, 2017 02:54
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Sons of Horus do Tac squads alright, with Merciless Fighters, Death Dealer, and The Long March you are deceptively good.
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Jun 3, 2017 03:14
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I'd love to see an across the board increase in wounds/hullpoints and the addition of a damage stat to weapons (one of 8th's best ideas, imo).
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Jun 3, 2017 03:51
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Der Waffle Mous posted:Iron Warriors vs. Fists are more or less about whether painting yellow or painting hazard stripes intimidates me more. What about white? 
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Jun 3, 2017 04:26
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Don't play Huff Guard
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Jun 3, 2017 04:37
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Play whatever legion makes your genitals the happiest imo
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The answer is all tactical marines own and every legion owns depending on whether you want to shoot, charge around or eat bullets while saying DGAF. My EC tactical marines don't have much special going for them, but I run them as a 20 man and buy the extra cc weapons. Fury of the legion shooting along with a round of that blessed +1 initiative is great. Cheap and cheerful apothecary makes them sturdy as hell and the phoenix spear sargeant can fight well enough to kill some dudes. Then I wait for Eidolon, Palatines or my assault squad to come by and wash away whatever poorly dressed filth I'm beating up.
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panascope posted:Don't play Huff Guard It does seem like a whole lot of goons are playing Death Guard. Spreading like some kind of... thing that spreads gradually. A fire or something? Butter maybe? I had something for this. Do we have a thread breakdown or count of Legions played?
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