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get that OUT of my face posted:obama was far better at bullshitting the american people than hillary clinton. if biden ran and got the nomination, he probably would have won because he's also good at bullshitting (and hiding his mainstream dem views behind charm and some semblance of working class cred) I think Biden could have pulled off an HW and ran off of being Obama's 3rd term. He'd have probably have also been more perceptive on the Sanders revolution that occurred within the left wing of the party, the trump effect that happened in the rust belt/"blue wall". He'd have beaten Trump in debates by putting on the charm and speaking in a manner similar to him. I think what could have helped the Dems in the primary would have been to have added Biden, Warren and Franken to compete? It'd have probably lessened the divisions between the centrist wing and lefty wing.
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Tacky-rear end Rococco posted:But he was agreeable, charming, and not crooked. If you look at history, that's more or less all it takes to be regarded fondly. The man has taken hundreds of thousands of dollars from the very institution he was elected to bring to justice and is windsailing with billionaires as everything burns. He will be regarded harshly. Maybe not now, but soon. I'm glad you got healthcare, but there's 28 million more people that actually needed it after Obamacare. Plus another million or two or more because access to health insurance is not an actual guarantee of access to health care because the private sector rewards being a horrendous loving lecherous cretin instead of actually doing a good thing.
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quote:Sure, she is complicated. She is no perfect personification of my ideals. I have some issues with her influence in Haiti and Libya and Honduras. She is not my hero. also she forgot iraq, syria, yemen
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rudatron posted:He did nothing about wall street fraud or the bp oil spill.
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Obama also set the new standard for what and who can be prosecuted when whistleblowing to effectively criminalise bringing abuses of power to light. Oh also he did all this then handed the controls to a mentally unhinged pisspig
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I'll never understand people defending him taking money from goldman sachs at the end of his presidency and jet skiing with millionaires. The excuse from Trevor Noah was "Well so you're expecting the first black president to also be the first president to NOT take money from Wall Street? hmmm? gently caress you!"  .... Except he wouldn't be the first president to not take money after office. Harry Truman and Jimmy Carter both did public service for the rest of their lives. Obama also prided himself as being a grass roots "Community organizer" -type. What he did during office was actually cut ties with various groups that championed that and his track record continues to show it. FuzzySkinner has issued a correction as of 17:38 on Jun 1, 2017 |
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FuzzySkinner posted:The excuse from Trevor Noah was "Well so you're expecting the first black president to also be the first president to NOT take money from Wall Street? hmmm? gently caress you!"
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Call Me Charlie posted:some lady had a meltdown on medium and wrote a million paragraphs but here's the funny parts lol quote:That dear anarchist father of mine who once grew glorious sunflowers in our back yard while quoting lines from “Jonathan Livingston Seagull”? Well, he became Born Again and joined the Republicans. Off came his beard and cut offs and on went his suit and tie. I was ten. It's basically one big Daddy Issues post.
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The best thing about Obama is that he could have reigned in Comey or directed intelligence resources towards the 'Russia problem' at any time and decided not to in order to preserve his impartiality in an election that featured Donald Trump. It took him 8 years, but he got his vengeance for Hillary being a slimy gently caress in the 2008 primary
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Not a Step posted:The best thing about Obama is that he could have reigned in Comey or directed intelligence resources towards the 'Russia problem' at any time and decided not to in order to preserve his impartiality in an election that featured Donald Trump. Nah, the best thing about Comey is he was part of the west wing reach across the aisle bullshit and the republicans, being republicans, gave nothing in return.
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Jun 2, 2017 03:20
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They also told comey to eat poo poo after being such a partisan hack
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVTTEBPKq98 are we supposed to feel sorry for Kathy Griffin here? I mean she has the right to do such a stupid thing, but it doesn't guarantee her job security. I feel bad if she's getting death threats from people though.
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FuzzySkinner posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVTTEBPKq98 Her terrible career that people have told her was over for decades is finally over
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I blame the photographer, who is a hack.
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FuzzySkinner posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVTTEBPKq98 What's the back story to kathy griffin and trump?
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Violent imagery in politics is a net bad, I wish it didn't come to this. 
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HIJK posted:Violent imagery in politics is a net bad, I wish it didn't come to this. Agreed, but it's less bad than violent politics like "we're taking away your grandma's healthcare so we can waste more middle eastern children"
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:What's the back story to kathy griffin and trump? Kathy Griffin took a picture holding a severed, blood drenched Trump's head. Now people are attacking her and she says it's a systematic campaign of defamation and bullying by the Trump family itself.
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Taintrunner posted:Agreed, but it's less bad than violent politics like "we're taking away your grandma's healthcare so we can waste more middle eastern children" It's part of the cycle of violence. Someone makes violent imagery, the other side uses it as an excuse to do poo poo like that, more violent imagery comes out in protest, etc. The Republicans are already using the severed head imagery in their campaign ads, it'll probably be pretty effective. so there's that to think about too 
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an actual dog posted:I blame the photographer, who is a hack. I think Jim Norton once summed it up once about the "anger" against the Iraq war back in the day. "Doing comedy, art, whatever against the war is actually the safest possible route in some ways" I mean sans the Dixie Chicks? It really didn't hurt Green Day, System of a Down and various comedians who did the "rock against bush" schtick. In fact it really did come across as some sort of psuedo Dead Kennedy's marketing gimmick. Same with doing things against Trump. It's not really a "brave" stance to say Trump is a dipshit. It's kinda like saying the Sky is blue or "I like Pizza" at this point. It just comes across as very weak and begging people to clutch pearls over it. This isn't something like Sinead O'Connor ripping up the Pope's picture on SNL which did in fact go against a massive amount of people.
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being publically against the iraq war in the lead-up was generally bad for your career https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_Donahue#MSNBC_program quote:Soon after the show's cancellation, an internal MSNBC memo was leaked to the press stating that Donahue should be fired because he opposed the imminent U.S. invasion of Iraq and that he would be a "difficult public face for NBC in a time of war."[20] Donahue commented in 2007 that the management of MSNBC, owned by General Electric and Comcast, required that "we have two conservative (guests) for every liberal. I was counted as two liberals."[21]
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comedyblissoption posted:being publically against the iraq war in the lead-up was generally bad for your career The lead up? Sure. No argument from me. Phil Donahue got hosed over big time. The media (NYT, CNN, ABC) reported lies parroted by various assholes in the bush adminstraton. Around 2004 or so? Different story. It became actually "popular" for Green Day, System of a Down and a slew of various artists to be 'against it". Michael Moore got a hit film out of it, etc. It's not like they were "wrong" . They were actually on the right side of the issue. It just became really overbearing and preachy.
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I'm gonna be that person and say it's more dangerous for a woman to speak up than those dudes
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an actual dog posted:I'm gonna be that person and say it's more dangerous for a woman to speak up than those dudes O'Reilly was fired, Hannity is losing sponsors every day, and you think it's dangerous for women to speak truth to power?
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an actual dog posted:I'm gonna be that person and say it's more dangerous for a woman to speak up than those dudes It depends on the woman and how much privlege, power she has. people like Meryl Streep have not had their livilihoods effected due to "speaking out" against various things that would make middle america uncomfortable hearing. I don't think the same could be said about some school teacher in rural iowa speaking out and against various policies of the US. I'm trying to think of an equal person/situation to Kathy Griffin. Anyone have any by chance?
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Guy Goodbody posted:O'Reilly was fired, Hannity is losing sponsors every day, and you think it's dangerous for women to speak truth to power? lol
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You grope a dozen women and for some reason you're fired. Man what's going on with that
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kathy griffin is a quarter-assed ripoff of joan rivers
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Kathy stop going on tv and literally crying thats exactly what they want
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https://medium.com/@Tim_Canova/demand-debbie-wasserman-schultz-recuse-herself-from-all-matters-dealing-with-the-u-s-9bf46969e2bf God what a crook. Uncle Wemus posted:Kathy stop going on tv and literally crying thats exactly what they want She's becoming a stereotype.to the right. can't say I blame them for thinking that at this point.
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the entire point of being a provocative comic is never apologizing for what you do. kathy griffin failed at that
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get that OUT of my face posted:the entire point of being a provocative comic is never apologizing for what you do. kathy griffin failed at that https://twitter.com/MatthewACherry/status/870841068094226432 man it's a bad week if you're a comedian. ... and yeah. I mean when Joan Rivers did it she kinda just shrugged her shoulders and didn't give a poo poo.
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FuzzySkinner posted:https://twitter.com/MatthewACherry/status/870841068094226432
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Maher is an idiot who made a bad, unfunny joke. Griffin is an idiot who tried to make an unfunny edgy picture. I don't feel sympathy for them in terms of possible consequences, but I do think that a lot of people are focusing on the speck of dust in someone's eye while ignoring the giant plank that's right in front of them. I also don't think a forced apology does a single drat thing. If Griffin was sincerely sorry about it and reached out to privately apologize? That's fine. I don't care. But I don't want to see this cry fest from someone because they know they're going to get fired. What's said is said. What's done is done. Nothing is going to change what was done or said.
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Bill Maher is actively loathsome and any bad things that happen to him are to be celebrated.
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I feel like the only way to "win" in these pearl clutching scenario's is to ignore social media for a while and never discuss it in public again. The worst thing you can do is apologize.
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Tacky-rear end Rococco posted:Bill Maher is actively loathsome and any bad things that happen to him are to be celebrated. Oh no doubt. Also "Dennis Miller Live" (PRE-9/11) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Real Time. Norm making cock jokes owned. ate poo poo on live tv posted:I feel like the only way to "win" in these pearl clutching scenario's is to ignore social media for a while and never discuss it in public again. Don Rickles and Joan Rivers both did that during the twilight of their careers. "It's a joke. I'm not apologizing". People shrugged their shoulders and they just continued to do what they did.
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i dunno whose side to take: unfunny talk show host or screeching twitter moron who thinks every on-air miscue should be punished by cancellation. i think i'll just scream into my pillow instead and wait for the pain to go away
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