FuzzySkinner posted:

Why is there a cargo cult mentality around Hillary, Obama, and Michelle?

Deified Data posted:

Obama was a popular president.

Tacky-rear end Rococco posted:

What do you think a cargo cult is?

Vincent Van Goatse posted:

FuzzySkinner's brain is as broken as the average Twitter Hillaryman, just in a different direction.

FuzzySkinner posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLKnCeeAW48

Vincent Van Goatse posted:

you're a loving idiot

FuzzySkinner posted:

My penis is very small and smells of prawns, my friend who I experiment with (NOT GAY!) says it makes him feel sick to suck it, but his penis is nice, I like to suck that. I know I cant make my penis bigger, but I want it to stop smelling of prawns, I shower every other day and spend 5minutes with a sponge doing vigorous rubbing untill my end is sore, but no it still smells. help?

Vincent Van Goatse posted:

FuzzySkinner posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nALb4lEbSbA

hahahaha. Is this 2006? am I in high school?

Sad. You doing alright? You seem upset.

Deified Data posted:

Obama was a popular president.

Byolante posted:

I think the feminist commentators that engage in good faith are largely welcomed or left to do their thing without harassment though? You don't see the sort of hate being thrown at Liana Kerzner or Christina Hoff Sommers that you do at the regulars. It probably has to do with which side they fall on of the great dwork debate really.

FuzzySkinner posted:

He was.

But it's bizarre to see people suddenly go "HOW DARE YOU CRITICIZE HIM FOR HANGING OUT WITH RICH PEOPLE AND TAKING 400K FROM WALL STREET". Like those are two things that are pretty lovely. (in addition to continuing war criminal policies, etc).

I mean if someone is gonna call him a "SECRET KENYAN MUSLIM COMMUNIST"? By all means tackle on them and pile on them for idiotic xenophobia. But it's weird to see people get pissed at those to the left of them with valid criticisms.

comedyblissoption posted:

when i was in fifth grade i once quoted someone on the starcraft blizzard forums but edited the quote to make it look like they were ridiculing themselves in a stupid way

i later realized this was really dumb and lame. now you know my secret shame

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I have wanted Hillary Clinton to be president since 1997.

“There cannot be true democracy unless women’s voices are heard. There cannot be true democracy unless women are given the opportunity to take responsibility for their own lives. There cannot be true democracy unless all citizens are able to participate fully in the lives of their country.” ~ Hillary Rodham Clinton. Keynote Address at the Vital Voices Conference in Vienna, Austria, July 1997.

Sure, she is complicated. She is no perfect personification of my ideals. I have some issues with her influence in Haiti and Libya and Honduras. She is not my hero. And that is precisely the reason why I support her. Deifying politicians is dangerous. Giving heroic gloss to an individual saddled with the responsibility of governing sows the seeds of fascism be it far right OR far left gilding to one demanding rigid adherence to an ideology. I do not require politicians to be inspiring or revolutionary or charismatic. I want them to do their drat Job. I do not agree with everything that Hillary has done but over the past decades I have witnessed her ferociously fighting for many of the issues that are vital to me and those I love.

I trust her.

The Hillary I know is not the one presented to me by the opposition. She is not a neoliberal, war criminal, Wall Street panderer, racist apologist, assault condoning, cynically ambitious lying sociopath who will destroy the very fabric of our Nation.

Nope.

(...)

To be perfectly honest, up until last year I also hadn’t really researched her. Not thoroughly. That is until April 26, 2016 when I publicly posted my support for Hillary Clinton.

The Great Contention commenced. I was bombarded for months and months with diatribes and attacks from Sanders supporters. Not trolls. Not random people. Not Trump supporters. These were friends and allies and collaborators and even, my fans. Some were respectful but many were downright vicious. I was barraged by Their View with spit laced vitriol over and over again. I spent most of that time just unpacking the false information in the articles they sent me, sharing some simple facts and occasionally, a little dose of history. I also had the exasperatingly amusing experience of being regularly told to ‘Check my Privilege’ by other white people. I had become, purely because of my unpopular political choice, a kind of pariah.

By October, I was exhausted.

I will call this, without reservation, Cultural Terrorism. It silenced me. I allowed it to silence me. I had a sad martini moment alone filling in my mail in ballot for the candidate I was historically and personally excited about because I was surrounded by the Bern. Everywhere I went, even mentioning Hillary’s name could invoke sneers and hateful assertions and derision. It became so contentious I would not post anything political a week before I had an event because it would affect my audience turn out. Really.

I did indeed lose friends.

(...)

I read everything; economists reports and legislation texts, senate hearing transcripts, varying perspectives on the 1994 crime bill, that rape case, old articles about Hillary the Senator and Hillary the Secretary of State, single payer advocacy and the history of passing the ACA, Congressional policy, Environmental reports, I checked back in with Noam Chomskey and the writing of Robert Reich, campaign donor records, DC gossip blogs, reports from the ground in Libya and Haiti and Honduras and why didn’t we answer the call for the kidnapped girls in Nigeria. All Those Emails. And more and more and more. I went further and researched each publication as well as individual journalists and authors. Hell, I even waded through the muck that is Reddit.

Surprising even to me, this research actually strengthened my resolve. Digging in revealed, like a diamond wrecked betwixt coal dust, a Hillary that inspired me. Intelligence, strength, experience, stamina and genuine goddamn compassion Hillary has and courage too. Oh hell yes, she never quit or gave in and she hasn’t now, even after a crushing loss that would have sent most us to hiding in the woods for far more than a few weeks. She is still fighting for the things she believes in. I believe in. I cannot convey with words how much I wanted her to be my president. To be Madame President. To be the President!

(...)

For the month after the election I cried every day. Or rather, I sobbed ugly, messy, choking sobs every day. I was loving devastated. All those who avidly supported Hillary were devastated and not just because Trump won. We felt and still feel that of all the many factors that contributed to Hillary losing the election by far the most significant factor was the candidacy of Bernie Sanders.

I want not agreement but understanding that my anger has validity. We are angry and indeed, we are bitter. I know you are too. You are angry that Sanders lost the primary. You are angry at the system. You are angry at injustice of the 45. But you know what the difference is? You and your candidate have not been subjected to ceaseless virulent hate. You really haven’t. Those who disagree with me like to say it was the same on both sides. It was and is not. There was no need for private Sanders groups. Nobody was shouting “Kill the Bern” or “Lock him Up”.

(...)

Also, for the record, Hillary did not lose because of Kentucky coal miners. She was not a ‘weak’ candidate or the wrong choice. She did not lose because she didn’t campaign enough in Wisconsin. She did campaign there. She sent a Democratic coalition representative by the name of — Bernie Sanders.

She won the popular vote by a greater margin than any white presidential candidate……………………………………………………………………ever.

I will not go into every issue or every misconception, this article is already quite long enough. Instead, I have provided links to numerous articles that do just that.

I am neither ignoring nor sweeping under the rug her stances on fracking, (which is a complex issue and deserving of greater conversations), or any of the other numerous questionable connections she has fostered rather I truly feel We could have influenced her had she been president. It is what we as concerned citizens and activists do for our causes as John Lewis and Maxine Waters and even Shirley Chisholm would very much like you to get goddamn hip to. There needs to be a recognition that change is not that easy, it is not at all that easy.

(...)

It is also true that it is the women in my family that I trust. It is the women in my family who have been strong. The women, for generations, who have persevered and persisted against great odds. It is the women who have had the grace to accept responsibility for their mistakes and to continue to grow. It is the women,(and my handsome gay uncle), who have always been generous with their love and their care and their commitment. It is the women in my family and otherwise who have worked for the rights of others and these communities. So yeah, I’m a bit biased.

I wanted THE FIRST WOMAN PRESIDENT! Of course, I did. Don’t be daft.

And so, labelling my excitement as ‘Identity Politics’ is supremely insulting. It is the worst kind of dismissiveness which disregards the daily fight that so many of us, particularly women of color, have been waging for decades, centuries, a millennia. If you still really want to throw Identity Politics in my face as a defensible argument, I want to, somewhat violently, stuff you into a time machine and travel back to November 2008.

(...)

“Forget basketball, I’m going to be the next black president!”

Don’t you remember……..?

That Obama did not follow through on many of his campaign promises, made a number of bad decisions during his two terms and was more moderate than many of us would have liked him to be, the sheer fact that he won still matters. It could be posited that the Black Lives Matter movement can trace its origin energy to the fact that Obama was president. And you are a fool if you don’t now, miss the dignity of his presidency.

That monumentally historic moment gave voice to those who have long felt voiceless. It created, if only for awhile, a hope that those who have been denigrated, ignored, brutalized might be recognized. Because all politics are identity politics. It is delusional to think that our background, race, gender, sexuality, religious affiliation or lack thereof, etc.. don’t influence our political choices. We can attempt to look at the facts and data and make reasoned choices but we will never be entirely free of what has made us.

Why am I writing this now?

Why do I need to write that I am still angry at 3rd party voters, at those who stayed home, at those who thought that we had the luxury of a Protest Vote! I am writing this now because I am still so bone-shakingly furious that that absurd, sexist, racist, xenophobic, fraudulent mother fucker is sitting in the chair that I wanted Hillary’s pants suit clad rear end to be sitting in!

This is a fact. This is the reality we are living in — right now — and a reality we should all be fighting against but even in the midst of this terrible truth the divisive rancor has not stopped. The skew persists.

Every day it seems there is some fresh new vilification of Hillary. Or Chelsea. Or Corey Booker. Or Obama. Or the DNC. Also every day, there are new terrifying reports from the white house and while we struggle through our horror and our ache, there is Sanders blatantly saying that women’s reproductive rights are not a core issue. That civil rights are not a core issue. That, in fact, his position is, “what is the largest voting bloc in America? Is it gay people? No. Is it African-Americans? No. Hispanics? No. What? …… White working-class people”. Not only is this not true it is egregiously narrow minded.

The irony in this is that I am a white working class person. One who yet knows that there can be no economic justice without social justice. That queer rights, racial rights, immigrant rights, earth rights and yes, women’s rights are are fundamental to any pursuit of economic equality. Full stop.

Deified Data posted:

Obama was a popular president.

Call Me Charlie posted:

some lady had a meltdown on medium and wrote a million paragraphs but here's the funny parts


https://medium.com/@GingerMurrayB/the-nasty-woman-rises-5f694f1ad013

Plutonis posted:

He was a loving con man who wanted only to build his own prestige and managed to gently caress up enough that one of the stupidest creatures on Earth managed to get elected as his successor

quote:

Clinton on @DNC: "I inherited nothing from the party. It was bankrupt... its data was mediocre to poor, non existent, wrong." "Trump becomes the nominee and he is basically handed this tried and true, effective foundation [talking about @GOP digital]." "The marriage of the domestic fake news ops, RNC data, combined with the very effective capabilities the Russians brought."

quote:

Then some garbage fire about Cambridge Analytica etc. Hillary: "Mercer didn't spend all that money for nothing." Oh? "If the @GOP continues to make progress as they are, going into the next gen of personalization, message delivery, phony stories." Clinton: I think flipping the House is certainly realistic. Walt: Is the party organized to do that? Clinton: We're working on it.

Plutonis posted:

He was a loving con man who wanted only to build his own prestige and managed to gently caress up enough that one of the stupidest creatures on Earth managed to get elected as his successor

Relevant Tangent posted:

You and Call Me Charlie, fighting that good fight.

Relevant Tangent posted:

You and Call Me Charlie, fighting that good fight.

Relevant Tangent posted:

Is it bad form to mock posters itt?

Relevant Tangent posted:

He's not right because he (and a few other posters) posted four days ago that the Russian stuff was fake fake fake and it's funny as hell how wrong that incisive commentary was. Like, if they want to just be Trump's fuckholes there are way better ways to do it than tripling down on "the Russian stuff isn't real guys seriously".

Relevant Tangent posted:

I'm a dude who thinks that posting these two things together is a sign of having lost the plot, yeah. I don't think you love Trump, I just think you're deranged.

Relevant Tangent posted:

They mean acknowledging the Russian thing is real, that's what they mean by hysteria.

Relevant Tangent posted:

I guess my point was how does any of that have to do with mocking poo poo? Like, if you want to make fun of the Russian thing feel free, it'll just make you look like an idiot. If you want this to be the Democratic strategy thread, gently caress that.

FuriousxGeorge posted:

My Dad is 90 years old and grew up in the depression and he loves avocado, which he discovered earlier this year and still refers to as "Guacamole" no matter what form it is served in. Point being, everybody young and old can appreciate avocados. It's a generation spanning plant of deliciousness. We are all generation Guac.

Call Me Charlie posted:

here's the true good fight (plus your entire post history in here lol)

Plutonis posted:

He was a loving con man who wanted only to build his own prestige and managed to gently caress up enough that one of the stupidest creatures on Earth managed to get elected as his successor

Tacky-rear end Rococco posted:

Naaaaah.

The first black president of the US was always doomed to be bougie as gently caress. But he was an alright guy and he'll be remembered fondly.

FuriousxGeorge posted:

My Dad is 90 years old and grew up in the depression and he loves avocado, which he discovered earlier this year and still refers to as "Guacamole" no matter what form it is served in. Point being, everybody young and old can appreciate avocados. It's a generation spanning plant of deliciousness. We are all generation Guac.

rudatron posted:

He did nothing about wall street fraud or the bp oil spill. Or any of the other crises he encountered.

Basically his entire presidency was 8 years of kicking the can down the road, despite growing signs that that wasn't going to work, and the starts quo is breaking apart. Foreign policy, domestic, everything he did was uncreative, compromising centrism that solved nothing.