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https://twitter.com/kid_mao/status/868252874354171904 If you just heard yelling off in the distance it was me screaming "GOOOONNNNSS!!!!!" at the NH-MA line in jealousy of Boston DSA's superior buttons.
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i missed that enamel pin out of Portland. How do I get one of those beautiful buttons?
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CNN really on fire this weekend: How this couple paid off $200,000 of debt in 2 years quote:They got thrifty 
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Pakistani Brad Pitt posted:CNN really on fire this weekend: They have a household income of at least $123k/year take home pay right out of school. Edit. Fixed. I wasn't taking taxes/SS into account.
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I love scrimp and save narratives that require a baseline pay way above the national average. Well gee, these atypically well-off folks made it, guess capitalism works!
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*I order more buttons from DSA's website* "That'll be 4-6 weeks." Me: You know what I'll just get a button machine and make my own buttons like other chapters do! *Sees machines+cutter+plus materials is $350+* Also me: Buttons are counter-revolutionary.
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May 30, 2017 17:07
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I want one of those Boston gay Space communism buttons.
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SomeMathGuy posted:I love scrimp and save narratives that require a baseline pay way above the national average. Well gee, these atypically well-off folks made it, guess capitalism works! My favorite strategy they relate in the article is to search for, and with a heavy heart accept, higher-paying jobs.
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OhFunny posted:*I order more buttons from DSA's website* Start a YDS at a medium sized university in your state, then use their buttonmaker.
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expropriate button-makers
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ChickenOfTomorrow posted:expropriate button-makers are you saying.... we should seize.... the means of production? 
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anyone have the list of our new chapters/committees this month?
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OhFunny posted:So the DSA sent a straw poll out via email asking what 3 projects national focus should be on. I chose:
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Way too hard to choose, but I picked: 1.Climate Justice 2. Get more dem socs in office 3. Labor outreach
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I went to the Brooklyn branch meeting on Wednesday. We're likely going to be splitting it into three areas- North, Central, and South- because it'll allow for more intimate meetings. The problem for the South Brooklyn branch is that there's no crosstown subway service and we mainly live off of one of four lines that go north to south. Out of the hundreds of members that the Brooklyn branch has, there's only one member apiece in each of Borough Park, Bensonhurst, and Gravesend. And that's not getting into the many different languages spoken around the various neighborhoods- Chinese, Russian, Spanish, Haitian Creole, Bengali, Arabic, Polish, and probably others. It's fertile ground for recruitment but the language barriers are definitely going to be a thing. Members also endorsed a democratic socialist running for City Council, the second one they've done. Unlike the first one, who's running as a Democrat, this guy is running on the Green Party line. That makes him ineligible for receiving fusion balloting from the Working Families Party, which has moved leftward since their endorsement of Bernie Sanders, to the point where a leader said that we need "explicitly socialist" candidates (his words) running for office. Hopefully, they both win. There's also a third democratic socialist running for City Council, but he's in the Bronx.
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^That's exciting!  Has everyone seen the DSA Spring Platform yet? Opinions?
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unbutthurtable posted:Do you happen to know anyone involved? Sadly, no. I found out about it on the DSA dank meme stash and new members groups on facebook.
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Ruzihm posted:^That's exciting! Citing the Tyranny of Structurelessness and imposing mandatory bylaws are hardly indicative of democratic ideals. Though I do like the idea of top level transparency and national level grievances assistance.
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i hadn't seen that before, but one of the people in the "who we are" portion is one of the raddest people in our chapter so that seems ok e: for context, the convention will likely be somewhat contentious as the current national leadership is far to the right of the actual rank and file of the org, especially the new members and leaders that have joined since the election. so people seem to be staking out platforms before the convention. this is the first one i've seen besides LC's Shear Modulus has issued a correction as of 20:13 on Jun 2, 2017 |
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SomeMathGuy posted:Citing the Tyranny of Structurelessness and imposing mandatory bylaws are hardly indicative of democratic ideals. Though I do like the idea of top level transparency and national level grievances assistance. Yeah, I have to say I agree with your criticisms. Although I think there might be some justification for the probationary bylaws (though I think 6 months may be too long). Due to how DSA limits chapter creation based upon zip codes or something, there can only be so many DSA chapters in a small area (if i understand correctly). If the right were to see DSA as an obstacle, I could easily see some running interference by starting up chapters with bogus bylaws that disenfranchise potential authentic members from upsetting the leadership & joining in an official capacity. Having probationary bylaws allows for a period of time where actual leftists could shake out trolls before they are disenfranchised & without having to petition national for an investigation. That of course stems from DSA having weird limitations on creating chapters, so this issue could be significantly reduced by relaxing that limitation. Then again, I guess it could still be an occasional distracting factor if that limitation were removed.
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Ruzihm posted:If the right were to see DSA as an obstacle, I could easily see some running interference by starting up chapters with bogus bylaws that disenfranchise potential authentic members from upsetting the leadership & joining in an official capacity. Having probationary bylaws allows for a period of time where actual leftists could shake out trolls before they are disenfranchised & without having to petition national for an investigation. 
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Jesus Christ, I don't even want to think about the possibility of false flag DSA chapters.
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I mean, this is a good time to . It's not paranoia if people really are out to get you.
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it's me, the entire Virgin Islands DSA chapter. I'm not official but my first project is petitioning my boss, the owner of the company where I work, to offer health insurance to his (largely minimum wage) employees with a sufficiently generous employer match that they can afford to take it. we didn't get the ACA here cause we're a territory not a state  so if you don't have employer health insurance, you don't have health insurance.I want to recruit more people so we can have a proper chapter. Running candidates is hard because 1) you must be a resident for three years to run for office and 2) because of that it's an i n s a n e l y corrupt good ol boy network, but These Islands Need Socialism
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^ Good luck!  people are literally impersonating antifa groups to try and discredit antifa to the media, and they are succeeding at it. Some jerk filling out some forms, having a skype call, and finding up to 14 people willing to help them just to gently caress with DSA by inserting useless shell chapters into their roster isn't hard to imagine. Ruzihm has issued a correction as of 20:30 on Jun 2, 2017 |
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It's not paranoia when they really are out to get you. https://theintercept.com/2017/05/27...e-insurgencies/
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you don't need to be a right-wing shell group to prevent the dsa from succeeding, you just need to be a member of the old guard and completely unable to adapt to the changing and growing membership and drag your feet on every possible thing. At least, that's what i hear is the problem some chapters are having.
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Larry w seems receptive to concerns about the platform so don't be afraid to voice them the mandatory bylaws bit sticks in my craw and I told them so; I can understand the "let's help new locals by having boilerplate available" spirit but "mandatory"? gj making libertarian socialist/anarchist comrades and locals feel like persona non grata ChickenOfTomorrow has issued a correction as of 20:40 on Jun 2, 2017 |
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Impermanent posted:you don't need to be a right-wing shell group to prevent the dsa from succeeding, you just need to be a member of the old guard and completely unable to adapt to the changing and growing membership and drag your feet on every possible thing. At least, that's what i hear is the problem some chapters are having. Yeah, I also had in mind establishment dems taking the initiative to "help" start up chapters and obstructing that way.
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:it's me, the entire Virgin Islands DSA chapter good luck, comrade!!
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Bracketing the paranoia/justified concern question I don't really see how mandatory bylaws could circumvent a potential fake chapter issue, unless there's something obvious that I'm just not seeing. As ChickenOfTomorrow noted it just seems needlessly abrasive and, frankly, off-putting.
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actually bylaws about how to handle sexual harassment are a huge concern imo that very few chapters have any handle on because we always assume that, as leftists, somehow we'll all also be perfect human beings. some sort of conflict management system should be written into every chapter or you de facto give power to privileged groups.
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SomeMathGuy posted:Bracketing the paranoia/justified concern question I don't really see how mandatory bylaws could circumvent a potential fake chapter issue, unless there's something obvious that I'm just not seeing. As ChickenOfTomorrow noted it just seems needlessly abrasive and, frankly, off-putting. Personally I think the best route is to have mandatory provisional bylaw sections requiring certain anti-heirarchical provisions like recall (and conflict management ^) but then allow the rest of the bylaws be open for change/addition/subtraction as desired. I mean I wouldn't be upset to see these worked into the national constitution (and so would be permanently established for all chapters), but where we're at I could see these being extremely important to chapters just beginning.
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I don't see a problem with emphasizing the EXTREMELY STRONG need for locals to have codes of conduct (or equivalent), mechanisms to deal with conflict and violations of the CoC, and a transparent and democratic procedure for decision making ASAP - imo the first 2 should be among the first things a pre-OC does. the line for me is when it goes from "best practice for a local is to have x, y, and z, this is why each are very important for building solidarity, here are samples of each and ideas for creating your own, your mentor will check in with you to help as you develop a timeline for having them in place" to "these are your bylaws, use them" but as I said, Larry and Jeremy have been responsive to concerns I've seen voiced about that so I hope that we'll see more nuance in that part of the platform ChickenOfTomorrow has issued a correction as of 21:08 on Jun 2, 2017 |
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