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Labour 907 49.92%
Theresa May Team (Conservative) 48 2.64%
Liberal Democrats 31 1.71%
UKIP 13 0.72%
Plaid Cymru 25 1.38%
Green 22 1.21%
Scottish Socialist Party 12 0.66%
Scottish Conservative Party 1 0.06%
Scottish National Party 59 3.25%
Some Kind of Irish Unionist 4 0.22%
Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian 3 0.17%
Some Kind of Irish Nationalist 36 1.98%
Misc. Far Left Trots 35 1.93%
Misc. Far Right Fash 8 0.44%
Monster Raving Loony 49 2.70%
Space Navies Party 39 2.15%
Independent / Single Issue 2 0.11%
Can't Vote 188 10.35%
Won't Vote 8 0.44%
Spoiled Ballot 15 0.83%
Pissflaps 312 17.17%
Total: 1817 votes
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Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

The freedom of people to call the people I support "retards" and advocate for them to receive less then minimum wage or be put in institutions?

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Private Speech
Mar 30, 2011

I HAVE EVEN MORE WORTHLESS BEANIE BABIES IN MY COLLECTION THAN I HAVE WORTHLESS POSTS IN THE BEANIE BABY THREAD YET I STILL HAVE THE TEMERITY TO CRITICIZE OTHERS' COLLECTIONS

IF YOU SEE ME TALKING ABOUT BEANIE BABIES, PLEASE TELL ME TO

EAT. SHIT.


Mr. Flunchy posted:

What about genuinely insightful and neat looking projects like this?

http://www.dougiewallace.com/harrodsburg/

proclick

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

I've said this before, but if the far right you support with bollocks like bleating about "cultural Marxism" and "the regressive left" win, they will come after you. The autistic are no safer from the fash than the browns or Jews. You are advocating an ideology that ultimately hates you.

TACD
Oct 27, 2000

crispix posted:

I hope he stops being quite so nice and asks why she won't be in the same room as him.
Way ahead of you.
https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/870621700152582145

Intrinsic Field Marshal
Sep 6, 2014

by SA Support Robot

Namtab posted:

I've said this before, but if the far right you support with bollocks like bleating about "cultural Marxism" and "the regressive left" win, they will come after you. The autistic are no safer from the fash than the browns or Jews. You are advocating an ideology that ultimately hates you.

Both sides are wrong as they both seek to curtail my freedom

I'd never support the far right but that doesn't mean I don't think the far left are going to protect in the long run either

Spangly A
May 14, 2009

God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall

Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:

Both sides are wrong as they both seek to curtail my freedom


the thing is you can't actually say this and not get called on it because you transparently don't have a clue

SteelMentor
Oct 15, 2012

TOXIC

Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:

Both sides are wrong as they both seek to curtail my freedom

I'd never support the far right but that doesn't mean I don't think the far left are going to protect in the long run either

Your freedom to scream the n-word and poo poo on Autistic people (despite allegedly being Autistic yourself, that's some good internalised hatred right there).

Please gently caress off.

Gum
Mar 9, 2008

oho, a rapist
time to try this puppy out

TACD posted:

And despite what you might expect from how Question Time has always been, May and Corbyn will be going on separately so that Theresa doesn't wee herself in fear.

Ahaha I was literally going to make a joke about her not showing up but I figured it would be too on-the-nose

Trin Tragula
Apr 22, 2005

jabby posted:

I've heard this argument a few times, but no-one has ever adequately explained what kind of 'who-knows-what' someone could do with a photograph of you. A picture taken in public rather than one taken privately, obviously.

The specific example I was thinking of is that I know someone who has a court order that prohibits anyone from taking photographs or video of them without their consent. This is to protect them from being found by a murderously abusive partner. Lots of people have abusive exes who could and would use a photo of them in a particular place at a particular time as a starting point for tracking them down.

Vlex
Aug 4, 2006
I'd rather be a climbing ape than a big titty angel.



Guys

Guys

The truth is in the middl-ahahahaha

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

In the spirit of glorious freedom how about we phrase it this way.

You stop being a oval office to people, you enjoy the benefits of not being cunted at. Don't want to do the former, you don't get the latter.

Call it a trade.

communism bitch
Apr 24, 2009

Mr. Flunchy posted:

What about genuinely insightful and neat looking projects like this?

http://www.dougiewallace.com/harrodsburg/

This reminds me of another personal incident.

I used to know a woman who's an artist, and years ago she was working in a care home for the elderly while studying at university. While there one day she saw one of the residents who had just learned that her husband had died. This girl's first instinct was to take a photo, which I've seen. It shows a little old lady weeping, with her face mostly covered by her hands. The artist didn't ask permission before taking the shot.

Today this woman is a very successful artist who lectures at major universities and has had pretty big exhibitions in the UK, China, Germany, the USA, and elsewhere. The photo she took is a powerful and moving one. But I can't help feeling that that the act of taking it was a callous and intrusive breach of privacy for no meaningful purpose. The photo didn't become famous, and for all I know only a handful of people ever saw it. I'm not sure it ought to have been taken at all. Would it have been better if it had become famous? Is art a self-justifying thing? What defines it?

Dabir
Nov 10, 2012

I think we can all agree that nobody cares what goons or the bleating idiots on 4chan think, the difference is 4chan has delusions of grandeur, much like IFM has delusions that we would ever care about any of the poo poo he keeps linking here.

Tigey
Apr 6, 2015

Namtab posted:

I've said this before, but if the far right you support with bollocks like bleating about "cultural Marxism" and "the regressive left" win, they will come after you. The autistic are no safer from the fash than the browns or Jews. You are advocating an ideology that ultimately hates you.

The far right ultimately hate everyone imo: its just a matter of degrees. The kind of people they idealise don't actually exist in reality (and never have/will), and its just a matter of time before they turn on you, as no-one can ever meet the standard they set.

Intrinsic Field Marshal
Sep 6, 2014

by SA Support Robot

SteelMentor posted:

Your freedom to scream the n-word and poo poo on Autistic people (despite allegedly being Autistic yourself, that's some good internalised hatred right there).

Please gently caress off.

Just because I have the freedom to do such an action doesn't mean I should morally make that choice nor would I want to.

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:

Both sides are wrong as they both seek to curtail my freedom

I'd never support the far right but that doesn't mean I don't think the far left are going to protect in the long run either

People saying that you shouldn't use words that disrespect people for accidents of birth are not the same as people who want to hurt people for being different. There is no regressive left in the UK, and claiming that there is actively helps the far right.

Social justice is about respect. Your right to free speech is curtailed only by there being consequences for that speech, and I'd argue that legal consequences are probably more benign than one of ober's lot giving you a kicking, but both are a consequence.

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:

Just because I have the freedom to do such an action doesn't mean I should morally make that choice nor would I want to.

So you're a fierce defender of the abstract concept of a right? What do you think should happen to those that exercise that right?

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

There is no freedom without responsibility. Even anarchist principles involves consequences for your actions

crispix
Mar 28, 2015

Grand-Maman m'a raconté
(Les éditions des amitiés franco-québécoises)

Hello, dear

It's been amazing. From the day the election was called he's just looked like he's having the time of his life.

TomViolence
Feb 19, 2013

PLEASE ASK ABOUT MY 80,000 WORD WALLACE AND GROMIT SLASH FICTION. PLEASE.

Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:

Just because I have the freedom to do such an action doesn't mean I should morally make that choice nor would I want to.

What moral justification does that supposed freedom have for existing though, if it can only be used by immoral people for immoral purposes?

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh

Namtab posted:

I've said this before, but if the far right you support with bollocks like bleating about "cultural Marxism" and "the regressive left" win, they will come after you. The autistic are no safer from the fash than the browns or Jews. You are advocating an ideology that ultimately hates you.

Don't forget our old friends sterilisation and castration.

It always amazes me that the kind of people who support the far right on the internet simply do not comprehend that they would either be seen as cannon fodder, or the very first under the knife if the real fash ever came into power.

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

Namtab posted:

There is no freedom without responsibility. Even anarchist principles involves consequences for your actions

I think the only schools of thought which don't think this are objectivism and other extreme egoism and nihilism. Basically if you believe in anything other than yourself.

NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting

Oberleutnant posted:

I used to know a woman who's an artist, and years ago she was working in a care home for the elderly while studying at university. While there one day she saw one of the residents who had just learned that her husband had died. This girl's first instinct was to take a photo, which I've seen. It shows a little old lady weeping, with her face mostly covered by her hands. The artist didn't ask permission before taking the shot.

I'm not sure it ought to have been taken at all.

If you're working in a care home I think part of the duty of care to those patients/clients/whatever should probably include not taking photographs of them, yeah.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

learnincurve posted:

Don't forget our old friends sterilisation and castration.

It always amazes me that the kind of people who support the far right on the internet simply do not comprehend that they would either be seen as cannon fodder, or the very first under the knife if the real fash ever came into power.

It's not like tory voters comprehend that it happens to them on a smaller scale.

Prince John
Jun 20, 2006

Oh, poppycock! Female bandits?

forkboy84 posted:

TinTower, have a word with your political party, this poo poo is embarrassing

Chemicals in the water supply are feminising us, says candidate for dead political party.

There's a kernel of truth to this story I think, albeit I don't know whether the effects were ever observed in humans or just fish. Apologies for the Mail source but they are quoting the Environment Agency's scientists:

quote:

But now scientists have found that ethanol oestradiol - a chemical used in the Pill which is between 50 to 100 times more powerful than natural oestrogens - is responsible for feminising fish.

Excreted in women's urine and passing through sewage works, it is causing the fish to develop eggs in their testes and, in some cases, creating female reproductive ducts.


Although scientists do not yet know whether this is affecting people, we do know that one-third of our drinking water comes from rivers - most of it

from stretches situated below sewage works. And we also know that sperm counts have been dropping alarmingly.

One study by the Medical Research Council found that Scottish men born since 1970 are 25 per cent less fertile than those born 20 years earlier - and that fertility is continuing to drop by two per cent a year.

I remember reading something about this at uni, but don't know whether any link between fertility and the chemical has been proven since the article.

Prince John fucked around with this message at 20:27 on Jun 2, 2017

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

NotJustANumber99 posted:

If you're working in a care home I think part of the duty of care to those patients/clients/whatever should probably include not taking photographs of them, yeah.

If I were the nurse in charge she would have been suspended on the spot.

Trin Tragula
Apr 22, 2005

Mr. Flunchy posted:

What about genuinely insightful and neat looking projects like this?

http://www.dougiewallace.com/harrodsburg/

I was speaking in the context of an amateur street photographer, which is why I put that rider on the end. If you're HCB or Eddie Adams, sure, stand on your rights and let others decide later whether you were justified.

communism bitch
Apr 24, 2009

NotJustANumber99 posted:

If you're working in a care home I think part of the duty of care to those patients/clients/whatever should probably include not taking photographs of them, yeah.
That's a very good point, but I should point out that I don't think she was in any sense a qualified, full time member of staff. I think she was doing volunteer stuff with the residents.

In either case you're right, but she probably never signed a bit of paper about protection of personal information, duty of care, etc, and it's interesting (to me) that when we talked about it once she didn't in any sense seem to feel that she had done anything immoral, or in any way breached anybody's privacy - because it was art.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Prince John posted:

There's a kernel of truth to this story I think, albeit I don't know whether the effects were ever observed in humans or just fish. Apologies for the Mail source but they are quoting the Environment Agency's scientists:

I thought that hormones in the water supply were also responsible for a drift in the onset of puberty in kids too, cos the sewage works don't fully remove them.

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

jabby
Oct 27, 2010

Trin Tragula posted:

The specific example I was thinking of is that I know someone who has a court order that prohibits anyone from taking photographs or video of them without their consent. This is to protect them from being found by a murderously abusive partner. Lots of people have abusive exes who could and would use a photo of them in a particular place at a particular time as a starting point for tracking them down.

I guess I can understand this, although to me it still seems like trying to legislate against someone recognising you in a public place. Having someone take a picture of you that then goes on to become famous has got to be a lower risk than, for example, wandering into the background of a live news broadcast.

Oberleutnant posted:

This reminds me of another personal incident.

I used to know a woman who's an artist, and years ago she was working in a care home for the elderly while studying at university. While there one day she saw one of the residents who had just learned that her husband had died. This girl's first instinct was to take a photo, which I've seen. It shows a little old lady weeping, with her face mostly covered by her hands. The artist didn't ask permission before taking the shot.

Today this woman is a very successful artist who lectures at major universities and has had pretty big exhibitions in the UK, China, Germany, the USA, and elsewhere. The photo she took is a powerful and moving one. But I can't help feeling that that the act of taking it was a callous and intrusive breach of privacy for no meaningful purpose. The photo didn't become famous, and for all I know only a handful of people ever saw it. I'm not sure it ought to have been taken at all. Would it have been better if it had become famous? Is art a self-justifying thing? What defines it?

Yeah, I don't think that's ethical purely because the care home was where the woman lived. You definitely do have an expectation of privacy at home, and that includes from people who may be visiting or visiting people you live with.

Pesky Splinter
Feb 16, 2011

A worried pug.

Tories U-turn on plan to build more socially rented council housing posted:

Plan to build genuinely affordable homes ditched by housing minister

The Conservatives have U-turned on a flagship pledge to build “a new generation” of social housing announced in their manifesto just weeks ago.

Theresa May personally promised her policy would deliver “a constant supply of new homes for social rent”, but her housing minister has now admitted planned homes would be let at up to double normal social rent rate.

The embarrassing admission represents the second about-turn on a Conservative manifesto pledge, after the damaging furore around the “dementia tax”.

Tory officials played down the reversal, but Labour claimed it showed one of the Prime Minister’s key pledges to help low-income families had “fallen apart”, while the Chartered Institute of Housing branded it “very disappointing”.

In mid-May the Conservatives announced they would build “a new generation of homes for social rent”, in a policy seen as critical to winning over the kind of working-class voters Ms May needs to steal seats off Labour.

The Tory manifesto spelt out a plan for “new council housing deals”, which would help councils "build more social housing”. And, in an intervention that spoke to the policy’s importance, Theresa May personally pledged it would create “a constant supply of new homes for social rent”.

But in an interview on Friday with trade magazine Inside Housing, minister Gavin Barwell admitted the party was planning to continue to build homes with higher rents and was not in fact reinstating traditional socially rented council housing.

Asked whether the homes would planned by his party would be let at low-level council rents, the minister said: “No, I think the idea is that they are what you’d call affordable rents in housing terminology, but they are social housing.”

[Etc, etc]

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

learnincurve posted:

Don't forget our old friends sterilisation and castration.

It always amazes me that the kind of people who support the far right on the internet simply do not comprehend that they would either be seen as cannon fodder, or the very first under the knife if the real fash ever came into power.
Whereas under our current liberal capitalist society that costs £600. Or free on the NHS, but they won't do it unless you already have a child.

I'm not about to start endorsing the far right going around sterilizing 'race mixers' or whatever, but the current attitude of being completely squeamish about people requesting sterilization because 'it can't be undone' is completely idiotic. You can't undo having a child either (at least not without doing something seriously terrible).

Dabir
Nov 10, 2012

Alright what are they covering up this time? The dark advertising thing?

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh
May talking nonsense here.

Angepain
Jul 13, 2012

what keeps happening to my clothes

how did you get hold of Jeremy's opening speech for tonight

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


learnincurve posted:

May talking nonsense here.

At least she's talking to the press I guess. The very slim hope of the Tories not having a majority rest on her continuing to be a terrible campaigner, which she can't do if she goes radio silent.

Prince John posted:

There's a kernel of truth to this story I think, albeit I don't know whether the effects were ever observed in humans or just fish. Apologies for the Mail source but they are quoting the Environment Agency's scientists:


I remember reading something about this at uni, but don't know whether any link between fertility and the chemical has been proven since the article.

scientists do not yet know whether this is affecting people seems like the key words here. Not letting the LibDems off that easy.

feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

I just made jam, in solidarity with Our Jezz. It's strawberry and raspberry with a dash of knockoff Grand Marnier.

It is v red. :ussr:

Angepain
Jul 13, 2012

what keeps happening to my clothes

feedmegin posted:

I just made jam, in solidarity with Our Jezz. It's strawberry and raspberry with a dash of knockoff Grand Marnier.

It is v red. :ussr:

I hope you've made enough for everybody according to their needs, comrade

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Tha_Joker_GAmer
Aug 16, 2006
if no deal is better than a bad deal why are we still selling weapons to saudi arabia

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