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Avasculous posted:I'd be very interested since MP was by far the best way to play EL. I'm starting a weekly game with a few people from another forum. Looks like It'll be Saturdays at 8pm PST if you're interested. No custom factions, still 2 slots left. http://doodle.com/poll/99trike9qiukz5b2
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So I was wondering what everyone does for tactics? All I seem to ever use or see the ai use is turtle or power to shields and I guess sometimes I use get lucky. Is there any time any of Thera might ever be useful
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Clarste posted:I think the idea is more that they get a penalty for running at low manpower, but it's not really significant enough to discourage ship spam, imo. Two empty ships are still going to be better than one full ship. It's +20% damage when full. That's significant. Two empty ships are better than one, but two partially full ships vs. two full ships is very much in the favor of the full ships. kaynorr posted:Anywhere I can look this poo poo up? The ES2 wiki is completely useless when it comes to mechanics at this level.. There isn't a main, compiled source of information, no. However, everything is available through in-game tooltips. Turn on detailed tooltips if you turned them off, mouse over everything, play an entire game with the ES2 mechanics only tutorial without ever closing it (it'll likely run out of things to show you by turn 50, unless you're slow to get into combat or invasions) and don't skim over any information unless it's quest or event flavor text. Doing that will get over 99% of the mechanics and systems in front of you in a reasonably comprehensible manner. This isn't aimed specifically at you, you seem to have a good grasp of what's available through doing this, but it answers a lot of questions that come up in the thread. Ramadu posted:So I was wondering what everyone does for tactics? All I seem to ever use or see the ai use is turtle or power to shields and I guess sometimes I use get lucky. Is there any time any of Thera might ever be useful There's some really great tactics available in the military tree. I can't remember their names right off hand, though. One is +100% absorption to all ships in a battle with an attack value of 0, useful if you can't retreat your planet cracker or any other non-combat ship. Another reduces damage you do by 10%, but gives you another action point after combat letting your fleets attack as many times as they want in one turn. It also doesn't prevent movement so you can do it across multiple systems. There's some niche tactics that cater to specific strategies as well, like long range bombardment or short range rush, worth picking up if you're going that route. Definitely worth keeping turtle and power to shields though, they're pretty strong when used against the right fleets.
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One thing about tooltips -- are they missing entirely from the scan screens, or is it just me? There seems to be a lot of info there but I have no idea how to read it much less how useful it actually is.
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Oh, that's true. Scan screens are mostly just there for quickly getting an overview of the information relevant to that screen, and there's a key section that defines symbols. It would be nice to get some tooltips in those screens for more granular information, though.
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Jun 2, 2017 02:47
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Huh, the Craver's population bonus at 50 is they get a bonus to ship and infantry damage for every planet they've depleted. Interesting. A good way to give them a bit of oomph at the end of days.
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Clarste posted:Well, that's not the case in my experience. I've only seen the enemies start using aircraft in super-lategame scenarios where it honestly doesn't even matter anymore. Whereas you can rush for 100% tank armies before you even get Titanium. Maybe I'm just thinking on a different timescale than you for this. You can rush 100% tank armies (and should if you are playing aggro Sophons) - you're rushing for that tech anyway if you're planning to get in any fights. However, you need a reasonable amount of orange/red for tank upgrades before they're better than infantry. Mining orange/red is fourth tier, same tier as aircraft tech. Speedball posted:Huh, the Craver's population bonus at 50 is they get a bonus to ship and infantry damage for every planet they've depleted. Interesting. A good way to give them a bit of oomph at the end of days. You'd be surprised how few planets you deplete if you're doing well. I just finished a conquest victory on endless and was getting less than 10% extra damage from that. Cease to Hope fucked around with this message at 04:27 on Jun 2, 2017 |
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Hi. I loved DotE and liked endless legend (good but a bit boring, but still got my money's worth) and hated civ 6, and found stellaris a bit 'meh', on release week. Is this game good? (endless space 2)
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redreader posted:Hi. I loved DotE and liked endless legend (good but a bit boring, but still got my money's worth) and hated civ 6, and found stellaris a bit 'meh', on release week. Yes, it's a bit buggy right now but the game itself is really good. It has a much stronger vision than Stellaris, and it's more sincere than Civ 6. (which is always sneering at everything you do and it's amazingly tiresome)
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Jun 2, 2017 06:31
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Thanks! I appreciate it. What race should I start with? I just bought it.
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redreader posted:Thanks! I appreciate it. What race should I start with? I just bought it. Horatio, obviously. More seriously, click on them and they tell you their main gimmick. Pick the one that sounds interesting.
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Gamesguy posted:I'm starting a weekly game with a few people from another forum. Looks like It'll be Saturdays at 8pm PST if you're interested. No custom factions, still 2 slots left. Thanks, I signed up. redreader posted:Thanks! I appreciate it. What race should I start with? I just bought it. Honestly, any of them. Sophons are probably the most vanilla/straightforward.
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redreader posted:Thanks! I appreciate it. What race should I start with? I just bought it. I would suggest the Sophons or the United Empire. The Sophon gimmick is just turbo-boosted science. The United Empire gets bonuses to Influence generation, which is otherwise scarce early on, and can spend it to instabuy almost everything. If you want something a bit stranger, the Lumeris and Horatio both play mostly normally. The Lumeris buy new colonies directly with cash instead of building colony ships, and the Horatio can chop up a big pile of aliens to make all of their own native population better. Additionally the Horatio start off with a government that lets them colonize most of the planets in the game. The Unfallen have a strange settling mechanic - instead of making colony ships you extend a web of vines slowly over every single star and can insta-colonize any system in your vines - and the Cravers have to micromanage their population to make the most out of their "eat planets for temporary super-output" and "Craver pops enslave foreign pops for extra output" mechanics. Vodyani and Riftborn are very gimmicky, and are probably bad picks for a first playthrough. The Riftborn have backwards settling preferences, build pops with production, and can speed up or slow down specific systems. The Vodyani don't actually colonize planets, instead they live in gigantic spaceships that can anchor themselves to a system to automatically work all the settlable planets in that system, and have to build those spaceships by running alien abduction schemes on foreign planets.
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I really dislike the current level of the over colonisation bonus. It makes conquering in the late game a tedious whackamole business of going back through your colonies and handling the rebellious ones, but doesn't actually make it hard to colonise. Could stand to be reduced by at least a third in my view.
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Cease to Hope posted:You can rush 100% tank armies (and should if you are playing aggro Sophons) - you're rushing for that tech anyway if you're planning to get in any fights. However, you need a reasonable amount of orange/red for tank upgrades before they're better than infantry. Mining orange/red is fourth tier, same tier as aircraft tech. They start better than Infantry (against infantry), and you'll need to mine a lot of blue/yellow before you can upgrade infantry anyway, which means you've expanded quite a bit for quite some time. By which point, if I'm playing an aggressive faction, I've already conquered at least two of my enemies. Whereas tanks are a tier two tech that you should absolutely shoot for immediately if you plan on being aggressive, since being able to field a bigger fleet is more likely to win you ship battles than any other factor. Avasculous posted:Honestly, any of them. Sophons are probably the most vanilla/straightforward. I would recommend against Sophons, honestly. Unless you already know what you're aiming for, the ability to snatch up techs early is more likely to get you into a position where you have no money and no industry. United Empire strikes me as more vanilla, since they're just good at doing things in a straightforward way. Clarste fucked around with this message at 09:38 on Jun 2, 2017 |
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Jun 2, 2017 09:33
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Clarste posted:United Empire strikes me as more vanilla, since they're just good at doing things in a straightforward way. Also, they have the best intro movie. I would pay for an expansion that was nothing more bombastic and Starship Troopers/40K UE video's for each quest/tech/achievement.
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redreader posted:Thanks! I appreciate it. What race should I start with? I just bought it. United Empire for your daily dose of "Would You Like to Know More?" or Sophons for being chill science bros.
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Gamesguy posted:I'm starting a weekly game with a few people from another forum. Looks like It'll be Saturdays at 8pm PST if you're interested. No custom factions, still 2 slots left. I'd be interested if there's still room. Probably get wrecked though
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Xae posted:United Empire for your daily dose of "Would You Like to Know More?" or Sophons for being chill science bros. The intro to sophons is clear that they're just more advanced Kerbals.
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Sloober posted:The intro to sophons is clear that they're just more advanced Kerbals. Wow, yeah they're just straight up Kerbals, god bless em.
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I'm going to go with recommending UE as well - they get more influence and start with a law that increases dust, so you are less likely to get in a hole on either of those resources. They also start with what I consider the two most important T1 techs. Honestly I just generally consider them the faction you're least likely to screw yourself with.
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Honestly the ability to buy poo poo with influence is extremely good. Dust buyout prices fluctuate due to inflation, but influence costs remain the same. A mid-game UE can get the ball rolling on a new system very quickly with some influence.
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I think Lumeris and UE are both good starter factions. Lumeris are all about making loads of dust and dust has so many uses it's good to have a ton of it anyway. It's also piss easy to win an Economy victory with them. I would likewise argue against the Sophons because you get way more out of the ability if you know your way around the tech tree. I'd even recommend the Riftborn first; they have a weirder gimmick than UE or Lumeris but you need food for flesh sack pops anyway and as long as you understand that your pops are more powerful than improvements you'll do alright.
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Yeah, the Riftborn aren't as hard as you'd think. They don't need many improvements, their reversed planet preferences give them a lot more flexibility at the start as long as you can find an ash or lava world or two, their gimmick is very easy to use (just put FIDS bubbles on your best systems and forget about them, maybe troll your enemy with the slowdown bubble on their major forge systems) and their ships are so specialized they practically arm themselves.
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The only problem I've got with (at least certainly base) Riftborn is how poorly they mesh with other races. On higher difficulties, your minor pop will probably die off immediately because you start off on a cold rock and your robots don't make food; as you unlock more colonization techs/conquer meatbags (or robots that eat food like the Epistis/Remnant) that actually use the stuff, not only do they take forever and a day to grow, but if they do, they do so with no respect to FIDS or habitability preference, AND if it pushes your queued pop constructions above the system cap, the system's production will shut down without telling you until one of the queued pops is removed.
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It's only that last thing that is actually a problem. It doesn't really matter if you gain or lose a minor species pop here or there.
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I generally send all my minor pops to a minor pop home system that I assimilate, where they do better. Although they still get the reversed terraforming preferences, which is a bit odd.
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I wish they could do something about different species having different preferences. Like why should these gas giant people be miserable they're living on a gas giant and happy on a terran planet?
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What determines the number of population slots on a planet? Is it based on size or type or is there a random element to it? And if you terraform a planet can you get more population slots from it? When I look at the change in resource output in the terraform options I always feel like I'm better off with the original planet type, but I assume you can repeatedly terraform a planet to get to some min/maxed ideal planet type.
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Pretty sure it's size and type and whatever racial benefits you have, such as the Craver's ability. Terraforming planets can definitely add extra slots, but it depends on what kind of planet you're trying to terraform it to. For example, desert>arid doesn't add any extra slots, but desert>savannah adds something like 4.
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Started a game as Empire. Unfallen popped up next door, once they visited my home system I had a Guardian pop appear there. When I colonized another planet in my home system, it was colonized by a Guardian pop. Working as intended or bugging out?
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Lunsku posted:Started a game as Empire. Unfallen popped up next door, once they visited my home system I had a Guardian pop appear there. When I colonized another planet in my home system, it was colonized by a Guardian pop. Working as intended or bugging out? Working as intended. The Unfallen have a special faction trait to reveal Guardians, everywhere. Not just on planets they control. They probably probed your system and revealed them for you. Drunk in Space posted:Pretty sure it's size and type and whatever racial benefits you have, such as the Craver's ability. Yes. The planets with the most population slots are the Fertile ones like Terran and Atoll, which is honestly the main reason to terraform at all. Gas Giants and Lava/Barren worlds have incredible production output per pop, but have extremely low population limits. Clarste fucked around with this message at 12:07 on Jun 3, 2017 |
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If all the Hissho or a minor faction leave, is there a way to get them back?
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How do you guys configure your galaxies for new games? And a complaint: I'm currently playing as Horatio and have the ecologists in power in the senate. When you scout new systems almost every planet is colonizable but the game doesn't tell you which planets are going to give you reduced returns because you lack the tech for them. So I have to constantly go back to the tech screen to see which planets I can colonize without losing FIDS. They should really mark the worlds you can colonize but lack the tech for with a different color or something.
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Just lost my first game as sophons. Horatio ended up with economic victory. Could go back a few turns and puah their poo poo in but it was a bit of a slog by the end. Great game but its a real shame combat is so very boring. Dont know why they couldnt add at least a little real time control if you dont auto resolve. ES1s combat was more fun while still being poo poo
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Weird rear end bug - I think I completed all of the Unfallen main quest and all of a sudden my home system has been uncolonized - it's vined, so I can just restart building, but every single improvement I made to the system is gone. * actually, not my home system, my first colonized system. I think what actually happened is that it got tagged randomly as part of the Academy questline. It is a "critical site" and since I already had a fleet defending it, the game bugged out Basic Chunnel fucked around with this message at 20:34 on Jun 3, 2017 |
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What galaxy shape are you all playing on? Spiral seems to end up with me having met a single empire by like turn 80 and it is boring af.
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Kanthulhu posted:And a complaint: I'm currently playing as Horatio and have the ecologists in power in the senate. When you scout new systems almost every planet is colonizable but the game doesn't tell you which planets are going to give you reduced returns because you lack the tech for them. So I have to constantly go back to the tech screen to see which planets I can colonize without losing FIDS. They should really mark the worlds you can colonize but lack the tech for with a different color or something. Honestly I'm not even sure what the size of the penalty is.
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Sandwich Anarchist posted:What galaxy shape are you all playing on? Spiral seems to end up with me having met a single empire by like turn 80 and it is boring af. I like spiral 4 as it gives me a good idea of where everyone is and where I need to go to carve out an arm for myself. Last game the Lumeris never left their arm. Only had 5 stars. But when I checked the end of game stats they were killing it in dust. Even better than my 20 star empire who won with science (I had economic victory off because I always hit it and wanted a science victory). I think next game I'll try sticking to a small tall empire.
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