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Barudak: May 7, 2007

Count Dooku or pick any of the dudes who get smoked by Anakin at the end, one of them was probably a hero.

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FuturePastNow posted:

Who is heroic on the Separatist side?

And don't say General Wheezius.

Dooku

But more generally, we'd see more obviously "heroic" actions by the Separatists if the story was told from their perspective, which it is not.

# ? Jun 1, 2017 16:56

Serf: May 5, 2011

FuturePastNow posted:

Who is heroic on the Separatist side?

And don't say General Wheezius.

The droids, I'd say.

# ? Jun 1, 2017 16:57

Beeez: May 28, 2012

In George Lucas' really early drafts for Star Wars, before he even started to split it up into multiple movies, that idea of the Republic becoming so corrupt it morphs into the Empire was there, too. So before anyone besides George Lucas and a few of his loved ones even knew what a Star War was, that was already part of the story.

# ? Jun 1, 2017 17:02

Lord Hydronium: Sep 25, 2007; Non, je ne regrette rien

By the way, here's the novelization prologue I was talking about :

Star Wars: From the Adventures of Luke Skywalker posted:

Another galaxy, another time.

The Old Republic was the Republic of legend, greater than distance or time. No need to note where it was or whence it came, only to know that� it was the Republic.

Once, under the wise rule of the Senate and the protection of the Jedi Knights, the Republic throve and grew. But as often happens when wealth and power pass beyond the admirable and attain the awesome, there appear those evil ones who have greed to match.

So it was with the Republic at its height. Like the greatest of trees, able to withstand any external attack, the Republic rotted from within though the danger was not visible from outside.

Aided and abetted by restless, power-hungry individuals within the government, and the massive organs of commerce, the ambitious Senator Palpatine caused himself to be elected President of the Republic. He promised to reunite the disaffected among the people and to restore the remembered glory of the Republic.

Once secure in office he declared himself Emperor, shutting himself away from the populace. Soon he was controlled by the very assistants and boot-lickers he had appointed to high office, and the cries of the people for justice did not reach his ears.

Having exterminated through treachery and deception the Jedi Knights, guardians of justice in the galaxy, the Imperial governors and bureaucrats prepared to institute a reign of terror among the disheartened worlds of the galaxy. Many used the imperial forces and the name of the increasingly isolated Emperor to further their own personal ambitions.

But a small number of systems rebelled at these new outrages. Declaring themselves opposed to the New Order they began the great battle to restore the Old Republic.

From the beginning they were vastly outnumbered by the systems held in thrall by the Emperor. In those first dark days it seemed certain the bright flame of resistance would be extinguished before it could cast the light of new truth across a galaxy of oppressed and beaten peoples�

This was published in 1976, six months before the movie was even released. While credited to Lucas, the novelization was ghostwritten by Alan Dean Foster, but is clearly based on Lucas' outlines and notes (it's the first appearance of "Dark Lord of the Sith" and "Palpatine", among other things). While a few elements changed over the years, it's pretty remarkable just how closely this tracks with the plot of the prequels.

Interestingly, for the first EU novel about the Clone Wars (Shatterpoint), Lucas wrote a prologue that's basically a rewrite of the above one with the details filled in:

Shatterpoint posted:

For a thousand years, the Old Republic prospered and grew under the wise rule of the Senate and the protection of the venerable Jedi Knights. But as often happens when wealth and power grow beyond all reasonable proportion, an evil fueled by greed arose. The massive organs of commerce mushroomed in power, the Senate became corrupt, and an ambitious politician named Palpatine was voted Supreme Chancellor. Most disturbingly, the Dark Lords of the Sith reappeared, after a thousand years of seeming absence.

In the midst of this turmoil, a separatist movement was formed under the leadership of the charismatic former Jedi Count Dooku. By promising an alternative to the corruption and greed that was rotting the Republic from within, Dooku was able to persuade thousands of star systems to secede from the Republic. Unbeknownst to most of his followers, Dooku was himself a Dark Lord of the Sith, acting in collusion with his master, Darth Sidious, who, over the years, had struck an unholy alliance with the greater forces of commerce and their private droid armies.

The turning point came when Count Dooku lured the unsuspecting Jedi into a trap on the desolate planet of Geonosis. Having just discovered the existence of a clone army that had been secretly commissioned for the Republic ten years earlier, the Jedi were well prepared when they confronted the Separatists on Geonosis, but their victory in that heated battle was pyrric. It would prove to be merely the opening salvo in a war that would spread like fire across the galaxy and engulf thousands of star systems in the legendary Clone Wars.

Having already been granted emergency powers in the face of the growing threat, Chancellor Palpatine used his ironclad grip on the Senate to seize even greater authority, all in the name of security. To address the urgent military needs of the Republic, he enlisted the Jedi Knights as generals to command the Clone Army. The Jedi valiantly accepted their assignment, though never having served as military commanders, they were unaccustomed to the wages of war. Their ranks, once sufficient to serve as the guardians of peace and justice, were spread perilously thin in the face of this unthinkable challenge. Their relationship with Palpatine grew strained. At the same time, they felt their own power waning even as their most promising new apprentice completed his training and stood poised to fulfill his destiny as the chosen one who would bring balance to the Force.

The Clone Wars raged for three long years, tearing the Republic apart and spawning countless tales of heroism, bravery, treachery, and betrayal as both sides fought to defend their ideals. As dedicated as the Separatists were in their resolve to create a new order to replace the failing Republic, the Jedi were equally determined to preserve the Republic and defeat the Sith, who they understood all too well were the masterminds of the Separatist movement. They still believed in the Republic, still deemed it a Republic worth saving. Their faith, which gave them superhuman strength in the face of mind-boggling power of the enemy, had yet to be shaken.

Side note: I know the EU isn't looked on too highly here, but if you're willing to try it I recommend Shatterpoint - it's Heart of Darkness in space, starring Mace Windu, written by actual good author Matt Stover, and has a lot of thoughts about the dark side and the role of the Jedi.

# ? Jun 1, 2017 17:03

Beeez: May 28, 2012

There are also these, from a 1975 draft of Star Wars, as printed in the Making of Star Wars book:

quote:

The REPUBLIC GALACTICA is dead. Ruthless trader barons, driven by greed and the lust for power, have replaced enlightenment with oppression, and �rule by the people� with the FIRST GALACTIC EMPIRE.

quote:

As the Republic spread throughout the galaxy, encompassing over a million worlds, the GREAT SENATE grew to such overwhelming proportions that it no longer responded to the needs of its citizens. After a series of assassinations and elaborately rigged elections, the Great Senate became secretly controlled by the Power and Transport guilds. When the Jedi discovered the conspiracy and attempted to purge the Senate, they were denounced as traitors. Several Jedi allowed themselves to be tried and executed, but most of them fled into the Outland systems and tried to tell people of the conspiracy. But the elders chose to remain behind, and the Great Senate diverted them by creating civil disorder. The Senate secretly instigated race wars, and aided anti-government terrorists. They slowed down the system of justice, which caused the crime rate to rise to the point where a totally controlled and oppressive police state was welcomed by the systems. The Empire was born. The systems were exploited by a new economic policy which raised the cost of power and transport to unbelievable heights. Many worlds were destroyed this way. Many people starved �

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During one of his lessons a young PADAWAN-JEDI, a boy named Darklighter, came to know the evil half of the force, and fell victim to the spell of the dreaded Bogan. He ran away from his instructor and taught the evil ways of the Bogan Force to a clan of Sith pirates, who then spread untold misery throughout the systems. They became the personal bodyguards of the Emperor. The Jedi were hunted down by these deadly Sith knights. With every Jedi death, contact with the Ashla grows weaker, and the force of the Bogan grows more powerful.

While not identical to what was depicted in the Prequels, the basis for them is clear. It's really interesting seeing how much of the themes, archetypes, motifs, and plot points from all six of the Lucas films are present in an unrefined form in those early drafts.

# ? Jun 1, 2017 17:35

Serf: May 5, 2011

Beeez posted:

There are also these, from a 1975 draft of Star Wars, as printed in the Making of Star Wars book:

While not identical to what was depicted in the Prequels, the basis for them is clear. It's really interesting seeing how much of the themes, archetypes, motifs, and plot points from all six of the Lucas films are present in an unrefined form in those early drafts.

Wow, this poo poo is too real. No wonder it didn't make it intact into the movies.

# ? Jun 1, 2017 17:38

Cnut the Great: Mar 30, 2014

FuturePastNow posted:

Who is heroic on the Separatist side?

And don't say General Wheezius.

No one character on the Separatist side is really presented as "heroic", in a traditional sense. They're a bunch of unsympathetic characters who start wearing the trappings of heroic Rebels, to contrast against the sympathetic characters on the Republic side who nevertheless start wearing the trappings of an oppressive Empire. It's a thematic statement about how the Republic is losing the moral high ground. The Separatists who show up on screen are still outwardly the same group of free market assholes from the last two movies.

The PT is told from the perspective of characters who are loyal to the Republic and don't start seeing the folly in the war against the Separatists until it's too late. We know from dialogue that the Separatists started off as a resistance movement against an increasingly corrupt Republic, but we tellingly are never shown any of these Separatists in the PT; we're only shown the big business representatives who cynically hijack the movement. This is how the viewpoint characters see the movement, and so it's also how we see it. As an audience member, you're not really supposed to viscerally sympathize with any of the Separatist characters until the moment when Anakin starts mercilessly slaughtering them as they beg for their lives. And we sympathize with them even though we know they're jerks, not because they're suddenly revealed to be decent guys.

The true Separatist heroes, the ones who are fighting for idealistic reasons, are all doing their thing off-screen. It's enough to know that they exist. "There are heroes on both sides" is flavor text meant to set the tone for the entire movie, which is about Anakin switching sides in the Jedi vs. Sith struggle for reasons that are, from his perspective, heroic. It's why the track that plays during the Mustafar duel is called "Battle of the Heroes."

The movie isn't really specifically about heroic Separatists, it's just one part of the equation to consider. The heroic Separatists don't show up until the next movie (episodically speaking), which begins the portion of the story which is told from the perspective of the rebels against the establishment, rather than the other way around.

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# ? Jun 1, 2017 17:40

Instant Sunrise: Apr 12, 2007; The manger babies don't have feelings. You said it yourself.

Beeez posted:

There are also these, from a 1975 draft of Star Wars, as printed in the Making of Star Wars book:

While not identical to what was depicted in the Prequels, the basis for them is clear. It's really interesting seeing how much of the themes, archetypes, motifs, and plot points from all six of the Lucas films are present in an unrefined form in those early drafts.

There's that 70's cynicism.

# ? Jun 1, 2017 18:17

RBA Starblade: Apr 28, 2008; Going Home.

Games Idiot Court Jester

quote:

During one of his lessons a young PADAWAN-JEDI, a boy named Darklighter, came to know the evil half of the force, and fell victim to the spell of the dreaded Bogan.

Noice

# ? Jun 1, 2017 18:28

Cnut the Great: Mar 30, 2014

Beeez posted:

It's really interesting seeing how much of the themes, archetypes, motifs, and plot points from all six of the Lucas films are present in an unrefined form in those early drafts.

Just as one other interesting example, the very first scene in the script seems to contain a rough prototype of the final battle between Darth Maul and Obi-Wan in Episode I:

quote:

Finally, Annikin is able to assume a defensive stance, and the two warriors stand, sizing up each other. The black knight is at least seven feet tall, and dwarfs the young JEDI. They stand for a few moments, almost frozen, then in a flurry of blows, lazerswords clash with the sound of electric snapping and popping. Annikin is barely able to hold his own against the experienced knight. Many blows are exchanged before the SITH warrior is able to back Annikin up against a deep crevasse. Annikin stumbles and almost falls over the cliff to his death.

The black knight suddenly senses something behind him and whirls around to face Annikin�s father, Kane Starkiller, a Jedi Bendu master. The Sith warrior raises his lazersword, but is cut in two before he can bring it down again. Kane moves to the fallen black knight, and studies him carefully. Annikin, still a little wobbly from the whole experience, attempts to stand. Kane sees his dead son Deak, and goes to him. He lifts him into his arms and begins to weep. Annikin stands bewildered, watching his father cradle his dead brother.

Some of the parts are rearranged, but they're all there. One difference is that instead of being backed up against a crevasse and having to be rescued by his father, Obi-Wan is backed up into a crevasse and ends up rescuing himself by metaphorically becoming his father (claiming his lightsaber and all that)--in both cases dispatching the Sith Lord by surprising him from behind and slicing him in half. Then in both cases a loved one who was killed by the Sith Lord at the outset of the duel is cradled in the arms of a mourning hero, ending the scene.

Of course Lucas actually ended up using something from this scene even in A New Hope. From the beginning of the scene:

quote:

With the aid of the electrobinoculars, Deak watches the running lights of the starship flash on and off. Suddenly, something huge moves in front of his field of view. Before either of the two young boys can react, a large, sinister SITH warrior in black robes and a face mask looms over them.

One thing people don't understand about these very rough drafts is that--as per Lucas's own description of his writing process--they're essentially just Lucas letting his mind run free in one long, unrefined, stream-of-consciousness jumble. He intentionally doesn't go back and refine almost anything at all until the next draft, when he tries to condense things down, get rid of the chaff, and give everything more structure. This draft, for instance, was never in any way remotely intended to be any sort of finished product. But it obviously ended up giving him a lot of interesting ideas and concepts to mine from and further refine. I mean, it's essentially the basis for the entire original trilogy as well as a lot of the prequel trilogy.

# ? Jun 1, 2017 21:07

General Dog: Apr 26, 2008; Everybody's working for the weekend

Kane Starkiller

# ? Jun 1, 2017 22:03

Pops Mgee: Aug 20, 2009; People all over the world,
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Cnut the Great posted:

No one character on the Separatist side is really presented as "heroic", in a traditional sense. They're a bunch of unsympathetic characters who start wearing the trappings of heroic Rebels, to contrast against the sympathetic characters on the Republic side who nevertheless start wearing the trappings of an oppressive Empire. It's a thematic statement about how the Republic is losing the moral high ground. The Separatists who show up on screen are still outwardly the same group of free market assholes from the last two movies.

The PT is told from the perspective of characters who are loyal to the Republic and don't start seeing the folly in the war against the Separatists until it's too late. We know from dialogue that the Separatists started off as a resistance movement against an increasingly corrupt Republic, but we tellingly are never shown any of these Separatists in the PT; we're only shown the big business representatives who cynically hijack the movement. This is how the viewpoint characters see the movement, and so it's also how we see it. As an audience member, you're not really supposed to viscerally sympathize with any of the Separatist characters until the moment when Anakin starts mercilessly slaughtering them as they beg for their lives. And we sympathize with them even though we know they're jerks, not because they're suddenly revealed to be decent guys.

The true Separatist heroes, the ones who are fighting for idealistic reasons, are all doing their thing off-screen. It's enough to know that they exist. "There are heroes on both sides" is flavor text meant to set the tone for the entire movie, which is about Anakin switching sides in the Jedi vs. Sith struggle for reasons that are, from his perspective, heroic. It's why the track that plays during the Mustafar duel is called "Battle of the Heroes."

The movie isn't really specifically about heroic Separatists, it's just one part of the equation to consider. The heroic Separatists don't show up until the next movie (episodically speaking), which begins the portion of the story which is told from the perspective of the rebels against the establishment, rather than the other way around.

The prequels are basically that "Are We the Baddies?" sketch stretched out over 3 movies.

# ? Jun 1, 2017 22:39

Cnut the Great: Mar 30, 2014

General Dog posted:

Kane Starkiller

Rare costume test still

# ? Jun 1, 2017 23:07

Cnut the Great: Mar 30, 2014

drat it these double posts are out of control!!!

# ? Jun 1, 2017 23:08

Hodgepodge: Jan 29, 2006; Can't post for 212 days!

General Dog posted:

Kane Starkiller

Definitely loving the use of that name in TFA. I can't remember who it was that pointed that Starkiller Base is Darth Vader, but it's a great point.

# ? Jun 1, 2017 23:16

euphronius: Feb 18, 2009

Padme says point blank: "maybe we are the baddies?"

# ? Jun 1, 2017 23:18

Zoran: Aug 19, 2008; I lost to you once, monster. I shall not lose again! Die now, that our future can live!

Hodgepodge posted:

Definitely loving the use of that name in TFA. I can't remember who it was that pointed that Starkiller Base is Darth Vader, but it's a great point.

One of the things I do really like in TFA is the theme of villains aspiring to be Darth Vader, but getting him all wrong. Starkiller Base copies Vader's cyborg nature, but it's actually an affront to what Vader himself believed.

# ? Jun 1, 2017 23:20

homullus: Mar 27, 2009

euphronius posted:

Padme says point blank: "maybe we are the baddies?"

Padme is kind of the anti-Leia. Leia is temporarily a senator but apparently can't stop being a princess, while Padme is temporarily a queen but apparently can't stop being a poli sci nerd.

# ? Jun 1, 2017 23:28

ungulateman: Apr 18, 2012; pretentious fuckwit who isn't half as literate or insightful or clever as he thinks he is

Hodgepodge posted:

Definitely loving the use of that name in TFA. I can't remember who it was that pointed that Starkiller Base is Darth Vader, but it's a great point.

Hey, it's me.

ungulateman posted:

Starkiller Base isn't just 'the Death Star, but bigger'. It's Darth Vader - but not SMG's cool, Christ figure. It's Disney's Star Wars^TM Darth Vader, and desperately needs redeeming.

- The Death Star destroys planets and emerges from their destruction ("that's no moon..."). Starkiller Base is an entire planet, "more machine now than man", converted into a killing machine.

- The Death Star destroys fairytale kingdoms like Alderaan - and replaces them with its own nightmarish 'machine world'. Starkiller Base's only targets are the Republic, and nothing arises to replace it, because the First Order has no interest in being the Republic-Empire.

- The Death Star is green lines converging - a fasces, to keep the local systems in line. Starkiller Base is red lines diverging - a lightsaber-hand, to destroy utterly. The 'crushing hand' is associated directly with Vader (even if Leia considers him a perfectly willing servant of the Empire). The Emperor, on the other hand, prefers lightning converging from each finger into a single target. Compare and contrast with the neat lines of battle droids deployed from TPM's Control Ship.

- The drat thing is named after him - Anakin Starkiller from The Adventures of the Star Wars, 1973. But it's not Invader Base, or even the Darth Star - it's, weirdly, his 'human' side that gets attached to it.

- Anakin dies because a woman in chrome gets him to 'lower his shields'.

- In his death throes, Vader throws away Palpatine to save his son. In its death throes, Starkiller Base throws away Rey (who probably isn't a Palpatine, but let me dream) to save Kylo Ren - but this is simultaneously a thematic statement ('care for your family, i guess'?) and a transparent effort to avoid ending the conflict in the first film. Something's up!

# ? Jun 2, 2017 00:15

Hodgepodge: Jan 29, 2006; Can't post for 212 days!

ungulateman posted:

Hey, it's me.

Ah, cool. One thing not in the original post: Kylo prays to Vader to show him the power of the Dark Side, and the next scene we see him in is the one where he watches the base fire on the Republic. Kylo's prayer is answered.

# ? Jun 2, 2017 00:33

Beeez: May 28, 2012

Cnut the Great posted:

Just as one other interesting example, the very first scene in the script seems to contain a rough prototype of the final battle between Darth Maul and Obi-Wan in Episode I:

Some of the parts are rearranged, but they're all there. One difference is that instead of being backed up against a crevasse and having to be rescued by his father, Obi-Wan is backed up into a crevasse and ends up rescuing himself by metaphorically becoming his father (claiming his lightsaber and all that)--in both cases dispatching the Sith Lord by surprising him from behind and slicing him in half. Then in both cases a loved one who was killed by the Sith Lord at the outset of the duel is cradled in the arms of a mourning hero, ending the scene.

Of course Lucas actually ended up using something from this scene even in A New Hope. From the beginning of the scene:

One thing people don't understand about these very rough drafts is that--as per Lucas's own description of his writing process--they're essentially just Lucas letting his mind run free in one long, unrefined, stream-of-consciousness jumble. He intentionally doesn't go back and refine almost anything at all until the next draft, when he tries to condense things down, get rid of the chaff, and give everything more structure. This draft, for instance, was never in any way remotely intended to be any sort of finished product. But it obviously ended up giving him a lot of interesting ideas and concepts to mine from and further refine. I mean, it's essentially the basis for the entire original trilogy as well as a lot of the prequel trilogy.

Another interesting thing to track through Lucas' process is the way the various "father figure/mentor" characters have different traits assigned to them at different times, which sort of emphasizes how closely related on a thematic level they are. In one draft Luke's father is "The Starkiller", who has traits of both Obi-Wan and Yoda in that his physical description matches pretty much exactly Obi-Wan's in the finalized script, but much like Yoda he's implied to be far older than a normal human could be. In another version, Ben Kenobi is a cyborg who strangles a room full of bureaucrats with the Force, but he still plays the same role overall he plays in A New Hope. And as you have mentioned, in an earlier version than even the two I just referenced, the father of "Annikin" is a cyborg who sacrifices himself to save his children. Tracking how these elements evolved over the years is really interesting.

# ? Jun 2, 2017 01:28

Jewmanji: Dec 28, 2003

Not only that, but Obi-Wan Kenobi was a fairly late edition to the scripts. Originally Luke was in search of his living father, and his older brother plays a prominent role as well. Through the drafting you can see how Lucas shuffled all of these things around until he found a much reduced and simplified version of these dynamics (for the better). Likewise with TPM, Lucas struggled for a long time with Obi-Wan's character until he created Qui-Gon Jinn.

# ? Jun 2, 2017 02:49

cuntman.net: Mar 1, 2013

Hodgepodge posted:

Ah, cool. One thing not in the original post: Kylo prays to Vader to show him the power of the Dark Side, and the next scene we see him in is the one where he watches the base fire on the Republic. Kylo's prayer is answered.

the ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the force. the ability to destroy several planets however,

# ? Jun 2, 2017 03:30

General Dog: Apr 26, 2008; Everybody's working for the weekend

TWIST FIST posted:

the ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the force. the ability to destroy several planets however,

RIP Starkiller Base, destroyed the entire government but ultimately fell prey to a few bombers and a disgruntled janitor.

# ? Jun 2, 2017 04:07

Hodgepodge: Jan 29, 2006; Can't post for 212 days!

General Dog posted:

RIP Starkiller Base, destroyed the entire government but ultimately fell prey to a few bombers and a disgruntled janitor.

The Dark Side is capable of immense destruction, but vulnerable to plucky idealists.

# ? Jun 2, 2017 06:24

dialhforhero: Apr 3, 2008; Am I 🧑‍🏫 out of touch🤔? No🧐, it's the children👶 who are wrong🤷🏼‍♂️

I feel like you could start at Episode 3 and watch the rest chronologically and you would be good.

I personally would do this:

Watch Clone Wars
Play Republic Commando
Episode III
Play all the way through Dark Forces
Begin playing Xwing but only until the last mission.
Episode IV
Play TIE fighter
Episode V AND play Shadows of the Empire on another screen.
Play Xwing Alliance and Rogue Squadron
Episode VI
Play Jedi Knight
Play Mysteries of the Sith
Play Jedi Knight II
Play Jedi Academy
Read the Thrawn trilogy
Episode VII

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# ? Jun 2, 2017 15:23

well why not: Feb 10, 2009

haha holy gently caress... or you could just watch the movies in the order they were released like a normal person

# ? Jun 2, 2017 16:06

Schwarzwald: Jul 27, 2004; Don't Blink

dialhforhero posted:

I feel like you could start at Episode 3 and watch the rest chronologically and you would be good.

Yeah, but you'd miss out on a couple good movies.

# ? Jun 2, 2017 16:21

Basebf555: Feb 29, 2008; The greatest sensual pleasure there is is to know the desires of another!; Fun Shoe

When I'm in the mood for some Star Wars I just randomly pop one of them in based on my mood at the time. Guess I'm just not a true Star Wars fan if I don't have a preferred viewing order.

# ? Jun 2, 2017 16:23

Bongo Bill: Jan 17, 2012

They're good in any order.

# ? Jun 2, 2017 16:29

RBA Starblade: Apr 28, 2008; Going Home.

Games Idiot Court Jester

Watch the movies in reverse order, but also in reverse, so you too can receive the knowledge of space satan.

# ? Jun 2, 2017 16:38

Instant Sunrise: Apr 12, 2007; The manger babies don't have feelings. You said it yourself.

If you watch Star Wars backwards it becomes about Luke very quickly building a giant space station and the Empire using it to very quickly rebuild Alderaan.

# ? Jun 2, 2017 17:05

The D in Detroit: Oct 13, 2012

dialhforhero posted:

I feel like you could start at Episode 3 and watch the rest chronologically and you would be good.

I personally would do this:

Watch Clone Wars
Play Republic Commando
Episode III
Play all the way through Dark Forces
Begin playing Xwing but only until the last mission.
Episode IV
Play TIE fighter
Episode V AND play Shadows of the Empire on another screen.
Play Xwing Alliance and Rogue Squadron
Episode VI
Play Jedi Knight
Play Mysteries of the Sith
Play Jedi Knight II
Play Jedi Academy
Read the Thrawn trilogy
Episode VII

and the video game adaptation of Episode III with the alternate ending.

# ? Jun 2, 2017 17:17

General Dog: Apr 26, 2008; Everybody's working for the weekend

Watch the movies in order of release, as each was made with the audience's presumptive knowledge of the movies that came before in mind.

# ? Jun 2, 2017 17:28

Barudak: May 7, 2007

I recommend reading only the wikipedia articles and then writing a 5,000 word essay on Star Wars from a Khmer Rouge perspective.

# ? Jun 2, 2017 17:46

PenguinKnight: Apr 6, 2009

Instant Sunrise posted:

If you watch Star Wars backwards it becomes about Luke very quickly building a giant space station and the Empire using it to very quickly rebuild Alderaan.

And then Darth Vader becomes human again and enters into some kind of Benjamin Button scenario, and rebuilds a space station as a kid.

# ? Jun 2, 2017 18:00