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Jordan7hm
Feb 17, 2011




Lipstick Apathy

Jamwad Hilder posted:

Same except it's usually Enver Lisin for me, for some reason. I think maybe he could get really good in NHL2k7

Same for both of them. From a slightly later version I also loved Boris Valabik.

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Ginette Reno
Nov 18, 2006

How Doers get more done
Fun Shoe

JoelJoel posted:

Uh, call me crazy, but the Caps are a very loving good team and, imo, should do everything they can to stay the course. Holtby sucked and they got back luck. What are they gonna do, gets some +2 luck gloves and trade away one of the best keepers alive?

It'd be dumb to do anything but try again next year.

I probably wouldn't blow up the core but they could use *something*. Maybe they should trade one of their core pieces. Neal for Hornqvist has worked out quite well for the Pens. It changed their look a little bit and definitely cut down on their propensity to melt down with bad penalties. A trade like that which is more or less a lateral move can still be good I think just to change up the culture a bit.

Mind_Taker
May 7, 2007



Ginette Reno posted:

I probably wouldn't blow up the core but they could use *something*. Maybe they should trade one of their core pieces. Neal for Hornqvist has worked out quite well for the Pens. It changed their look a little bit and definitely cut down on their propensity to melt down with bad penalties. A trade like that which is more or less a lateral move can still be good I think just to change up the culture a bit.

This is kind of where I'm at. Carlson makes the most sense given his contract situation and trade value around the league for right handed defensemen but honestly I'm warming up to the idea of trading Ovechkin. Not because of his intangibles or leadership but because he's just not worth his contract any more and it looks like he's slowing down. $9.5M off the books can get a lot.

Mind_Taker fucked around with this message at 19:43 on Jun 2, 2017

Matt Zerella
Oct 7, 2002

Norris'es are back baby. It's good again. Awoouu (fox Howl)
I'll take Ovie on the Rangers. K thanks

Suspicious
Apr 30, 2005
You know he's the villain, because he's got shifty eyes.
He's still too young to be a Ranger.

Matt Zerella
Oct 7, 2002

Norris'es are back baby. It's good again. Awoouu (fox Howl)

Suspicious posted:

He's still too young to be a Ranger.

Yeah but the contract is just about right for a guy who doesn't score in the playoffs.

Pornographic Memory
Dec 17, 2008

Ginette Reno posted:

I love that Ted is so shook about the Penguins that he has tons of files saved trying to prove they get favoritism.

keep in mind that the recounted incident was from 2010 so imagine how broken leonsis' brain must be now after two more series losses

personally i wonder if maybe the caps would be better served swinging for the fences and trying to bring in a star player, maybe from the impending colorado firesale, maybe from some other, as-yet-unknown source, than make some small tweaks. the penguins made a lot of good roster changes in general after firing shero, mostly in the 2015 offseason, but kessel was easily the move that pushed them over the top. if the penguins had used their cap space that offseason differently and gotten oshie and williams instead, would they have had the same run? probably not - those are good players, but they're not the kind of stars who can break a game wide open. the more of them you have, the better, and the penguins have like 4 of them with crosby, malkin, letang, and kessel, maybe murray too for the goalie equivalent of that kind of thing. who do the caps have? backstrom, ovechkin, holtby, maybe kuznetsov...and ovechkin had a bad year last season by his standards, so he might be aging out of being a gamebreaker (or he might not). i feel bad for bringing penguinschat into the loser thread (before their potential elimination) but the metro is such a tough division in general that being a "deep" team just can't cut it, you need to get real top end players to keep up in the arms race too

hifi
Jul 25, 2012

sestito is also a gamebreaker

ElwoodCuse
Jan 11, 2004

we're puttin' the band back together
Should have drafted Malkin instead of Ovechkin

a false
Mar 5, 2009

I DECIDE
WHO LIVES
AND WHO DIES

Matt Zerella posted:

Yeah but the contract is just about right for a guy who doesn't score in the playoffs.

haha.... yeah

Jamwad Hilder
Apr 18, 2007

surfin usa

ElwoodCuse posted:

Should have drafted Malkin instead of Ovechkin

This makes me wonder if having separate Backstrom/Malkin centered lines is better than a Crosby/Ovechkin/whoever power line.

corn on the cop
Oct 12, 2012

Break what must be broken, once for all, that's all, and take the suffering on oneself.

― Corey Dostoyevsky
in more important news

https://twitter.com/bryzgoalie30/status/870753776109486080

xzzy
Mar 5, 2009

Can Bryz replace Don Cherry when he dies?

Eric the Mauve
May 8, 2012

Making you happy for a buck since 199X

Ginette Reno posted:

I probably wouldn't blow up the core but they could use *something*. Maybe they should trade one of their core pieces. Neal for Hornqvist has worked out quite well for the Pens. It changed their look a little bit and definitely cut down on their propensity to melt down with bad penalties. A trade like that which is more or less a lateral move can still be good I think just to change up the culture a bit.

I like Hornqvist a lot and am very glad the Penguins traded Neal for him, but I think Bylsma was waaaaaay more the problem than Neal was in that area. By about 2012 the whole league had followed the Flyers' example in realizing that if you goon it up against the Penguins they'll melt down and quit playing hockey. It was absolutely the optimal strategy to play against them.

Then of course came Mike Johnston but he was so clueless and incompetent at everything that nothing changed in that area, they just got worse at hockey to boot. Sullivan was the guy that really turned it around, 2 years after Neal was gone. IMO the Penguins benefited a ton from teams continuing to employ the "goon it up, they'll freak out" strategy for a good year after it stopped working, and only in the last few months has the league realized it doesn't work anymore.

Anyway tl;dr, getting rid of that piece of poo poo Neal helped but the no-self-control culture problem was mostly Bylsma's doing.

I'm now convinced that Bylsma's only redeeming quality as a coach is that he is not Michel Therrien

DJExile
Jun 28, 2007



god bless this wonderful man :allears:

DJExile
Jun 28, 2007


Alex Faust is the new TV play-by-play announcer for the LA Kings

Kilza
Oct 4, 2013

https://twitter.com/mirtle/status/870773623098945536

Unlikable coach continues to stay with unlikable team. His contract was up after this upcoming season.

yellowcar
Feb 14, 2010

Kilza posted:

https://twitter.com/mirtle/status/870773623098945536

Unlikable coach continues to stay with unlikable team. His contract was up after this upcoming season.

Got further than the Leafs.

Benson Cunningham
Dec 9, 2006

Chief of J.U.N.K.E.R. H.Q.
Neal was a very good goal scorer on the Penguins and he meshed perfectly with Malkin. His attitude sucked, but that doesn't detract from his ability to put pucks in nets.

Edit: Remember those face off set play one timers? God drat that stuff was slick.

Edit 2: See what I mean?

Edit 3: poo poo, wrong thread indeed. Thanks.

Benson Cunningham fucked around with this message at 03:19 on Jun 3, 2017

JawKnee
Mar 24, 2007





You'll take the ride to leave this town along that yellow line
wrong thread

Good Soldier Svejk
Jul 5, 2010


So he's famous, but at the expense of being associated with the LA Kings. Sounds about right given his family name.

Schremp Howard
Jul 18, 2010

What attitude problem?

Eric the Mauve posted:

I like Hornqvist a lot and am very glad the Penguins traded Neal for him, but I think Bylsma was waaaaaay more the problem than Neal was in that area. By about 2012 the whole league had followed the Flyers' example in realizing that if you goon it up against the Penguins they'll melt down and quit playing hockey. It was absolutely the optimal strategy to play against them.

Then of course came Mike Johnston but he was so clueless and incompetent at everything that nothing changed in that area, they just got worse at hockey to boot. Sullivan was the guy that really turned it around, 2 years after Neal was gone. IMO the Penguins benefited a ton from teams continuing to employ the "goon it up, they'll freak out" strategy for a good year after it stopped working, and only in the last few months has the league realized it doesn't work anymore.

Anyway tl;dr, getting rid of that piece of poo poo Neal helped but the no-self-control culture problem was mostly Bylsma's doing.

I'm now convinced that Bylsma's only redeeming quality as a coach is that he is not Michel Therrien

Cross posting from the finals topic but CBJ Sprague posted an interview with Torts where he said how much more respect he has for the Penguins because Sullivan is there holding them accountable and relates a story about Sullivan telling Malkin to shut the gently caress up while he's talking to a referee after being there for like two games. I think it really highlights how little control Bylsma had over that team. It was fine when he was replacing Therrien and they were tired of his shift, but it really emphasizes him being too much of a players' coach.

Neal has still been kind of a dick since he was traded so maybe it's not all Bylsma's fault though.

Mind_Taker
May 7, 2007



https://twitter.com/jonathantoews/status/870786821046681601

I wonder what Scott Hartnell thinks about this.

JawKnee
Mar 24, 2007





You'll take the ride to leave this town along that yellow line

you're alright, Jonathan

also some of the comments :laffo:

Sharks Eat Bear
Dec 25, 2004


I've always been drawn to perfect hockey robots, but this just rockets Toewsie to a new level

goldrush
Sep 27, 2005

~~~No Worries~~~
Uh oh, looks like Andrew Ference got to him

Captain Internet
Apr 20, 2005

:love: HOTLANTA :love:
IS WHERE YOUR HEART IS
gently caress man, now I like Towesy.

poo poo, I made his name an endearing fauxnickname.

This is the power of mutual hatred.

Wonderllama
Mar 15, 2003

anyone wanna andreyfuck?
This would be more impressive if he entirety of the tampa bay lightning club wasn't publicly liberal.

JawKnee
Mar 24, 2007





You'll take the ride to leave this town along that yellow line
does finding a flower in a desolate wasteland not impress just as well, if differently, than when found in a lush garden Wonderllama?

AsInHowe
Jan 11, 2007

red winged angel
Actually, humans are way more special than everything else here, because it's our responsibility to not break the Earth

Eric the Mauve
May 8, 2012

Making you happy for a buck since 199X
Thinking about the culture change the Penguins have had under Sulllivsn really hits me hard with just how unbelievably bad a coach Mike Johnston was. Under Bylsma the Penguins were an elite team every year and then would poo poo themselves in the playoffs. Then Johnston took over and all of a sudden they were the last team to just barely reach the playoffs and got summarily waxed in the first round in probably the most boring 5 game series ever played. Then they were well on their way to missing the playoffs altogether when Johnston was replaced with Sullivan, and then abruptly they're utterly dominant and now are on the verge of back to back Cups.

It staggers the mind how bad Johnston was, it really does.

Granted doing things like trading Perron for Hagelin and Scuderi for Daley helped a lot, but that was symptomatic: Johnston loved Perron and Scuderi. They fit his breathtakingly retarded System.

ThinkTank
Oct 23, 2007

Who wants to listen to Mika Zibanejad's first single?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcpjAxSrLdE

Cocaine Bear
Nov 4, 2011

ACAB

Yet another thing brassard is too old to do.

Cocaine Bear
Nov 4, 2011

ACAB

Anyway, trip update!

The Scots don't really know what hockey is. A bartender said he watches sometimes and that ice hockey is like Hurling but more violent. However, once you've befriended them, hooligans will passionately talk trash about any team/thing you're against; so there's at least a bit of anti-Pens sentiment out there in Glasgow. The Dutch dig hockey. Lots of Bruins fans for some reason. Must be all the drugs.

Games being at 2am local sucked, but pointing at priceless art vol. 2 turned out okay.

a false
Mar 5, 2009

I DECIDE
WHO LIVES
AND WHO DIES

ThinkTank posted:

Who wants to listen to Mika Zibanejad's first single?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcpjAxSrLdE

No

JawKnee
Mar 24, 2007





You'll take the ride to leave this town along that yellow line

ThinkTank posted:

Who wants to listen to Mika Zibanejad's first single?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcpjAxSrLdE

don't quit your day job Mika

tofes
Mar 31, 2011

#1 Milpitas Dave and Buster's superfan since 2013

good hat imo

TITTIEKISSER69
Mar 19, 2005

SAVE THE BEES
PLANT MORE TREES
CLEAN THE SEAS
KISS TITTIESS




New Coach's Corner Transcribed

DJExile
Jun 28, 2007


Fancystats breakdown on Ivan Proporov's year

tl/dr: he good

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ThinkTank
Oct 23, 2007

The league is implementing a roster freeze from June 17th - 22nd to prevent teams making any deals after they've submit their protected lists.

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