|
Chibs posted:I'm loving mad that some people actually wanted Carey to be taken off the project because of all this, harassing her for it. She doesn't deserve any of the vitriol, but loving internet. Gotta have discourse so you can rack up them likes and pageviews. Basically S.O.S. (Save Our Sons)
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2017 01:20
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 28, 2024 02:04 |
|
|
quote:Justin once described the show as a “car that learned how to fly,” which I think is an accurate way of describing this friction. Satire got a gun emptied in its head.
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2017 01:22
|
|
|
It's really a shame that Justin now thinks naming Taako Taako was a mistake, because to me Taako is the best representation of a role-playing character there is: one that starts off as an offhand goof with a silly name, and gradually becomes a real character with motivations and depth.
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2017 01:34
|
|
|
Reformed Pissboy posted:the monster factory sims videos with the extremely wide heads are racist to me, because I have a big fat dumb rear end head. I think moster facotuyr should apohglogize to me. it's anti whatever I am and I'm going to scrfeam at will wright for it too want to drink my pee pee, big head lad
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2017 01:45
|
|
|
This latest TAZ arc is really bumming me out. I used to enjoy this show so much but now I'm just wondering when it will be over. I still get enjoyment out of it but this current arc got so heavy. I'm hoping there's a payoff that makes this worth it but with Griffin "probably two more episodes" McElroy it will be another 3 months before it finishes. I was probably most hyped when they built up toward the finale but now they're just off in BS history land. I would like nothing more than to be proven wrong. Maybe it is the rules I'm not liking. They've used their version of D&D rules for so long and did so well with them that switching like this seems bad. The Barry and Lup thing was cool I guess but at the end of the day I don't really give a poo poo about those two.
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2017 01:50
|
|
|
I, on the other hand, cried while I was breaking down all the boxes at my job because of the end of the latest episode because I'm a giant baby and I love all of these characters especially the sweet bb voidfish. also how has no one posted about Trav's new twitter av? https://twitter.com/travismcelroy/status/870793989338931201
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2017 02:20
|
|
|
myron cope posted:Maybe it is the rules I'm not liking. They've used their version of D&D rules for so long and did so well with them that switching like this seems bad. The Barry and Lup thing was cool I guess but at the end of the day I don't really give a poo poo about those two. It's not that the rules are bad, it's just that Griffin isn't using them in the way they excel. He's going for a pseudo-PbtA, and PbtA thrives on character interaction. Unfortunately, the structure of The Lost Century is "Let's 1 on 1 what Magnus does, then Taako, then Merle." It just doesn't work. It's been getting better, though, and the boys are becoming better roleplayers. I especially noticed it with Travis missing his first roll and going "Okay, I'm gonna spin this in a way that makes narrative sense to further Magnus' character" and I was just "Attaboy!" Once they get to a proper storygame system in the next arc with proper interaction between the characters, I think the boys are really going to excel.
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2017 02:34
|
|
|
But you see, if you experienced these characters and immediately thought of racism, it is you who were the bigot all along. Checkmate Tumblr.  Poque posted:Yeah. If you really like it you can come back later, but the abridged one is a better start imo. Ah, never mind actually, I didn't realize both 1 and 1.5 were just repeats of the MBMBaM episode, which I already listened to. I'm up to December 2014 in the McElverse and figured it was all new from there. But thanks!
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2017 02:45
|
|
|
Yeah I think the separating of the boys has been the reason this arc's been a little eh even to me but the bits I love (the press conference, the beach episode, Magnus coaching, Merle and Jon) have been really good.
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2017 02:51
|
|
|
I'm not trying to derail the current conversation or anything (I'm actually really inpressed with how non-inflammatory it's been), but I just saw this and I can't believe I missed it before. It's The Zone of the Adventures! Spoilers up to the next-to-latest episode. https://youtu.be/bDzu_6fjMTg
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2017 02:57
|
|
|
Gluten Freeman posted:It seems like a lot of the people on twitter and tumblr seriously complaining about Taako not being Mexican as poor representation and racism are literal kids -- like, fourteen-year-olds, so, you know, cut them a little bit of slack. They're teenagers, they feel things strongly. on the other hand, a lot of them are also just following the lead of people who are in they're 30s, which is depressing. Kids are far too willing to take anything an adult with no actual qualifications barfs out on tumblr and it leads to poo poo like this. See: weird one-off tumblr/twitter posts saying green skin on witches is antisemitic, and people taking that as gospel despite the fandom drawing taako as green plenty of times without any of this coming up, ever.
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2017 03:02
|
|
|
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q59keKZkm9g This rules
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2017 03:15
|
|
|
Ariong posted:I'm not trying to derail the current conversation or anything (I'm actually really inpressed with how non-inflammatory it's been), but I just saw this and I can't believe I missed it before. It's The Zone of the Adventures! Spoilers up to the next-to-latest episode. I've really liked the current arc (most especially the conversation between Merle and John about joy) but listening to these goofs feels like a show long forgotten at this point. Boy I hope they get back to the goofs soon.
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2017 03:22
|
|
|
Judge Schnoopy posted:I've really liked the current arc (most especially the conversation between Merle and John about joy) but listening to these goofs feels like a show long forgotten at this point. Really? Because Merl inventing interpretative Jazz dancing and Taako becoming a philosopher based on stealing things other people said was pretty funny.
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2017 03:42
|
|
|
That's true and I'll have to listen to the latest episode again. I feel like the world has gotten too large and there are too many characters, and the THB get lost in splitting up. Then they seem to check out a bit when it's not their turn so they don't get into a rhythm of goofing with each other in game. It's certainly not a train or derelict lab that keeps them jammed in the same room, for better or worse.
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2017 04:14
|
|
|
Soup du Jour posted:It's really a shame that Justin now thinks naming Taako Taako was a mistake, because to me Taako is the best representation of a role-playing character there is: one that starts off as an offhand goof with a silly name, and gradually becomes a real character with motivations and depth. yup this exactly, Taako isn't a funny name because a taco is a mexican thing, it's a funny name because it is also the name of a food my d&d character's name is x'ziir zalad, inspired by taako also being a food, is that racist against whoever invented caesar salads
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2017 04:36
|
|
|
Poque posted:my d&d character's name is x'ziir zalad, inspired by taako also being a food, is that racist against whoever invented caesar salads nice Italian immigrant erasure, fuckboy quote:The salad's creation is generally attributed to restaurateur Caesar Cardini, an Italian immigrant who operated restaurants in Mexico and the United States. Cardini was living in San Diego but also working in Tijuana where he avoided the restrictions of Prohibition. His daughter Rosa (1928–2003) recounted that her father invented the dish when a Fourth of July 1924 rush depleted the kitchen's supplies. Cardini made do with what he had.
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2017 04:49
|
|
|
Poque posted:yup this exactly, Taako isn't a funny name because a taco is a mexican thing, it's a funny name because it is also the name of a food Caesar salad was also invented by a Mexican guy so you and Justin are equally super hitlers. E: ^^oops I'm racist too Ojjeorago fucked around with this message at 04:55 on Jun 3, 2017 |
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2017 04:50
|
|
|
I've been really hard on this arc, probably the most of the people in this thread, and the most recent ep was great because it was entirely character work and interaction. I'm getting more and more okay with this arc as it progresses if it's just an excuse to learn how Lup/Barry/Lucretia/Davenport were before they got variously changed, and viewing the differences in personality from before Voidfish erasure to after for THB. Merle especially, whom Clinton finally seems to understand how to roleplay, but seeing a more immature, sensitive Magnus has been cool as well. Again, this show is really only bad when it's expository nonsense, and Griffin's finally let up on that it seems. NieR Occomata fucked around with this message at 05:00 on Jun 3, 2017 |
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2017 04:57
|
|
|
I know a Mexican dude who goes by Tako irl. Not an adventure zone fan, he just doesn't like his given name and likes tacos. That's my insight into this drama bomb.
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2017 05:18
|
|
|
Todd Coolbody is an instant Monster Factory favorite for me. Not trying to derail I just loving love Todd Coolbody's entire deal, he's a character I'd probably make.
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2017 05:34
|
|
|
BravestOfTheLamps posted:What the gently caress Well, to clarify, latinx is the written variant. When spoken you're supposed to use "latinu" or "latine". A and O are used at the end of words to note gender in spanish. So the solution is to use a different vowel. Gluten Freeman posted:It seems like a lot of the people on twitter and tumblr seriously complaining about Taako not being Mexican as poor representation and racism are literal kids -- like, fourteen-year-olds, so, you know, cut them a little bit of slack. They're teenagers, they feel things strongly. This is super important to understand with the TAZ fandom, and online culture as a whole. More and more kids are using the internet these days, and it has affected the cultural landscape. I stopped getting involved with the fandom specifically because there were so many kids there. What's up, you cool babies.
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2017 05:36
|
|
|
Mikedawson posted:Well, to clarify, latinx is the written variant. When spoken you're supposed to use "latinu" or "latine". A and O are used at the end of words to note gender in spanish. So the solution is to use a different vowel. Why not just Latin
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2017 06:04
|
|
|
Raserys posted:Why not just Latin Because they're Spanish speakers? Why would they adopt an English word? Also, Latin sounds awkward in Spanish. Latinx has a three syllable flow (and Latinu is even more subtle).
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2017 06:15
|
|
|
CainsDescendant posted:I know a Mexican dude who goes by Tako irl. Not an adventure zone fan, he just doesn't like his given name and likes tacos. That's my insight into this drama bomb. Have you explain to him in several thousand word posts on Tumblr how problematic that is?
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2017 06:19
|
|
|
I mean I hate to point out the obvious here but there's a massive difference between a mexican guy doing that and a white guy doing that
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2017 06:27
|
|
|
SEX HAVER 40000 posted:The best moment of Mommy Squad was definitely the firing-squad execution of disconnected Russ. Everyone else making GBS threads on him kinda made it better? A little
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2017 06:45
|
|
|
Mikedawson posted:Well, to clarify, latinx is the written variant. When spoken you're supposed to use "latinu" or "latine". A and O are used at the end of words to note gender in spanish. So the solution is to use a different vowel. Thank you, I've always wondered how one would actually say that. I kinda wish it was decided to use latinu instead of latinx in writing as well but eh, language evolution is pretty much completely uncontrollable.
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2017 07:15
|
|
|
I just want to point out that at this point the voices accusing the mcelroys of being secret racists, that Carey should be fired and are harassing her, etc are so vitriolic in their hatred and it seems centered totally and completely around taako. Like the "I can't believe merle is black now how DARE they" folks are barely there, its basically an afterthought (on top of the entire premise of the argument relies on an interpretation of merle so reductive as to be actively disingenuous), and I haven't seen literally one complaint at all that they kept Magnus white. If I were to guess the very loud and very aggressive minority of idiots who are harrassing the mcelbros and Carey over this are, to a large extent, made up of people who have made Taako into that very annoying tumblr brand of Mary Sue "perfect character" in their heads. Like, I see the fanart and look at tumblr from time to time, the percentage that is about and for Taako and how great he is is waaaaay more than the other two dudes. And it's this weird awful thing that fandoms do where they latch onto a specific character for some reason and then build that character up as pure perfection and then get insanely pissed and possessive of that character when anything about them is changed from the headcanon. It's this weird Mary Sue/psychosexual combined bullshit where all the faults of a character are flattened and all the best parts are ballooned, combined with Taako's natural positive qualities (namely, that he's queer, has a fabulous sense of style, looks conventionally beautiful, says funny and clever things, and literally has magical powers) mean that he's been built up in the fandom and by these specific people as perfection. So, in essence, they don't really care that Taako isn't a PoC, or rather, they do but solely because Taako's their perfect magic wizard boyfriend, and the McElroys and Carey have ruined their boners. NieR Occomata fucked around with this message at 07:41 on Jun 3, 2017 |
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2017 07:29
|
|
|
Haha I literally just read a tumblr post complaining about the reasoning for keeping Magnus white  all this poo poo sucks
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2017 07:32
|
|
|
nerdbot posted:Todd Coolbody is an instant Monster Factory favorite for me. Not trying to derail I just loving love Todd Coolbody's entire deal, he's a character I'd probably make. Hell Yeah
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2017 07:40
|
|
|
I yelled at so many people on Twitter who are making ridiculous assertions like the boys being racist. One lady insisted that Taako was black/arab because he's a Sun Elf. Except Justin has never said he's a sun elf. I think he's said a couple times that he's a high elf maybe but WHO loving CARES. It's fantasy, you complete fuckwards. It's not even D&D! It's an entire world of their creation.
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2017 08:08
|
|
|
Lick! The! Whisk! posted:If I were to guess the very loud and very aggressive minority of idiots who are harrassing the mcelbros and Carey over this are, to a large extent, made up of people who have made Taako into that very annoying tumblr brand of Mary Sue "perfect character" in their heads. Like, I see the fanart and look at tumblr from time to time, the percentage that is about and for Taako and how great he is is waaaaay more than the other two dudes. And it's this weird awful thing that fandoms do where they latch onto a specific character for some reason and then build that character up as pure perfection and then get insanely pissed and possessive of that character when anything about them is changed from the headcanon. Yeah, and a lot of that over-identification is because so many of those fans are very young and way more likely to get really invested in characters and stories, which is why it's good that the McElroys are so respectful and try to do their best in explaining their decisions. It's genuinely one of those no-win situations. Of course there are also the kind of immature adult who is bizarrely over-invested in media culture & fandom, who are obviously much worse and more annoying for the fact that they encourage kids in fandom to unhealthily identify with characters in my opinion. Also the moment when Todd Coolbody suddenly morphs into the Boy-Mayor of Second Life was loving hysterical. Why did that happen???
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2017 08:09
|
|
|
 prophetic
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2017 08:31
|
|
|
I have a lot of respect for the brothers for trying so hard but it's hard to not also want them to tell these idiots to gently caress off so often but in the long run it's better that they put effort into representation and inclusivity, even if these bumblefuck morons don't have a clue WHAT they want
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2017 09:12
|
|
|
i'm not feeling the stolen century arc it's ok but eh
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2017 09:45
|
|
|
it's going far too long
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2017 09:46
|
|
|
Waffleman_ posted:It's not that the rules are bad, it's just that Griffin isn't using them in the way they excel. He's going for a pseudo-PbtA, and PbtA thrives on character interaction. Unfortunately, the structure of The Lost Century is "Let's 1 on 1 what Magnus does, then Taako, then Merle." It just doesn't work. It's been getting better, though, and the boys are becoming better roleplayers. I especially noticed it with Travis missing his first roll and going "Okay, I'm gonna spin this in a way that makes narrative sense to further Magnus' character" and I was just "Attaboy!" Once they get to a proper storygame system in the next arc with proper interaction between the characters, I think the boys are really going to excel. The important thing in pbta is that you throw a ton of dice. It's moves and twists and creativity flowing in to one another to create something unpredictable. Dungeon world would be absolutely wonderful for the boys normal shenanigans. I'm enjoying the stolen century a bunch, to be clear, but agree its not showing off pbta well.
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2017 10:24
|
|
|
moving onto a full pbta game will be so much better than this and I'd argue better than them playing some weird half-a-skeleton of D&D too
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2017 11:05
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 28, 2024 02:04 |
|
|
nerdbot posted:Todd Coolbody is an instant Monster Factory favorite for me. Not trying to derail I just loving love Todd Coolbody's entire deal, he's a character I'd probably make. Todd Coolbody looks exactly like someone from one of those DeviantArt pictures of hyper-muscular people made in Poser, and it's hilarious to me.
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2017 14:00
|
|