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907 | 49.92% |
| Theresa May Team (Conservative) |
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48 | 2.64% |
| Liberal Democrats |
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31 | 1.71% |
| UKIP |
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13 | 0.72% |
| Plaid Cymru |
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25 | 1.38% |
| Green |
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22 | 1.21% |
| Scottish Socialist Party |
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12 | 0.66% |
| Scottish Conservative Party |
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1 | 0.06% |
| Scottish National Party |
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59 | 3.25% |
| Some Kind of Irish Unionist |
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4 | 0.22% |
| Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian |
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3 | 0.17% |
| Some Kind of Irish Nationalist |
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36 | 1.98% |
| Misc. Far Left Trots |
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35 | 1.93% |
| Misc. Far Right Fash |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Monster Raving Loony |
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49 | 2.70% |
| Space Navies Party |
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39 | 2.15% |
| Independent / Single Issue |
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2 | 0.11% |
| Can't Vote |
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188 | 10.35% |
| Won't Vote |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Spoiled Ballot |
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15 | 0.83% |
| Pissflaps |
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312 | 17.17% |
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Pochoclo posted:So, I took the liberty of applying inflation to that garbage image, it looks a bit better now, for a post-crisis government, don't you think?
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HAT FETISH posted:lol at nhs/education/welfare, and by lol i mean I Want Too Die Ah, a fan of the Conservative Manifesto then?
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Jun 3, 2017 16:13
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Namtab posted:Why would the guy admit that? latent blue labour supporter, maybe I mean if he never votes then ehhhh either way. but maybe he's the kind of voter bob marshall-andrews used to accost in the street
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Jun 3, 2017 16:13
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ronya posted:latent blue labour supporter, maybe Speaking of which that git defected to the Lib Dems. loving tragic.
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Jun 3, 2017 16:20
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Mind you, he was reported as being a homophobe during his tenure in the commons, so maybe that's why he did it.
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Jun 3, 2017 16:21
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Ooh first poll of the night https://twitter.com/NCPoliticsUK/status/871023921780465664
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Pissflaps posted:Ooh first poll of the night Is opinium usually one of the worst for Labour or am I misremembering?
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Jun 3, 2017 16:28
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Pissflaps posted:Ooh first poll of the night The Lib Dem fight back is going well I see.
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Jun 3, 2017 16:30
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it turns out that the guy who sank the North East Assembly is also a big Brexit supporter, what a shock
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Jun 3, 2017 16:33
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These "patriots" only seem to care about economics. And generally with no level of expertise. Where is the patriotic support for human rights, low levels of homelessness, low prison numbers, equality rights etc. Where is the progressive patriotism?
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Jun 3, 2017 16:39
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Regarde Aduck posted:These "patriots" only seem to care about economics. And generally with no level of expertise. Where is the patriotic support for human rights, low levels of homelessness, low prison numbers, equality rights etc. Where is the progressive patriotism? Nationalism requires thinking your people are better than other people, it's inherently anti-equal.
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Jun 3, 2017 16:43
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He seems to have a strong community spirit and care about the people who live in his town.
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Jun 3, 2017 16:48
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Regarde Aduck posted:These "patriots" only seem to care about economics. And generally with no level of expertise. Where is the patriotic support for human rights, low levels of homelessness, low prison numbers, equality rights etc. Where is the progressive patriotism? Maybe you would have low levels of the homeless if our minimum wage wasnt higher than Germany and Japan's minimum wage Pissflaps posted:He seems to have a strong community spirit and care about the people who live in his town. This, the guy could just sell up and move to Eastern Europe if he was in just for pure profit
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Jun 3, 2017 16:53
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quote:BBC political editor Andrew Marr said many in the No Camp were Eurosceptic campaigners and ministers would need to reflect on the lessons for its referendum on the new European constitution. foreshadowing! (the answer was to pass it by treaty, drat the referendums. it's too bad this lesson didn't, apparently, stick)
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Jun 3, 2017 16:55
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Do you live in Bristol North West, Bristol West, North Somerset, Thornbury, or Kingswood and Filton constituencies? Would you like a nice complimentary gift to celebrate the election that you absolutely cannot sell on? Then Banksy is your man, just take a photo of your ballot showing you didn't vote Tory.
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Jun 3, 2017 16:59
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forkboy84 posted:Do you live in Bristol North West, Bristol West, North Somerset, Thornbury, or Kingswood and Filton constituencies? Would you like a nice complimentary gift to celebrate the election that you absolutely cannot sell on? Then Banksy is your man, just take a photo of your ballot showing you didn't vote Tory. Taking photos in a polling station is illegal, isn't it?
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Jun 3, 2017 17:01
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forkboy84 posted:Do you live in Bristol North West, Bristol West, North Somerset, Thornbury, or Kingswood and Filton constituencies? Would you like a nice complimentary gift to celebrate the election that you absolutely cannot sell on? Then Banksy is your man, just take a photo of your ballot showing you didn't vote Tory. I'm pretty sure that is super illegal.
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Jun 3, 2017 17:01
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forkboy84 posted:Do you live in Bristol North West, Bristol West, North Somerset, Thornbury, or Kingswood and Filton constituencies? Would you like a nice complimentary gift to celebrate the election that you absolutely cannot sell on? Then Banksy is your man, just take a photo of your ballot showing you didn't vote Tory. well it's got a "lawayer's note" saying it isn't worth anything and is in no way a bribe for voting so this seems 100% on the level. Like how if you say "no infringement intended" on youtube then the copyright police can't touch you.
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Jun 3, 2017 17:02
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forkboy84 posted:Do you live in Bristol North West, Bristol West, North Somerset, Thornbury, or Kingswood and Filton constituencies? Would you like a nice complimentary gift to celebrate the election that you absolutely cannot sell on? Then Banksy is your man, just take a photo of your ballot showing you didn't vote Tory.
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Jun 3, 2017 17:02
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that's super illegal in like, five different directions at once
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Jun 3, 2017 17:02
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Banksy is going to get those engaged 18-24 voters arrested for taking polling station selfies haha
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Jun 3, 2017 17:03
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forkboy84 posted:Do you live in Bristol North West, Bristol West, North Somerset, Thornbury, or Kingswood and Filton constituencies? Would you like a nice complimentary gift to celebrate the election that you absolutely cannot sell on? Then Banksy is your man, just take a photo of your ballot showing you didn't vote Tory. note that this may subject you to a fine, a prison term, and in addition, your vote may be invalidated if the EC can connect your tweeted photo and your ballot (if, e.g., you photographed the ballot number)
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Jun 3, 2017 17:04
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Never realised Banksy was a total loving moron. Shame.
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Jun 3, 2017 17:05
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Yeah, taking pictures in a polling station is illegal, and no matter how much he states that it will have no resale value, any judge will see that as clientelism because lol it's a famous figure's art, it has loving value and you're trying to influence votes even if you say you aren't.
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Jun 3, 2017 17:05
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it doesn't even need to have resale value (but yes lol it does), giving away proof of your vote alone is a no-no
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Jun 3, 2017 17:07
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ronya posted:note that this may subject you to a fine, a prison term, and in addition, your vote may be invalidated if the EC can connect your tweeted photo and your ballot (if, e.g., you photographed the ballot number) The vote invalidation part of this law opens it up to abuse. What a dumb addition. Just fine the people that hosed up. Votes are sacred and it should take a lot more to invalidate them.
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Jun 3, 2017 17:07
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Pissflaps posted:Taking photos in a polling station is illegal, isn't it? Not as far as I'm aware. It's illegal to reveal anything anyone else has done, so they don't like you to take photos. But it's not illegal. Or it wasn't a year ago according to a quick Google search. IANAL I'm also pretty sure it's not actually serious & he's just kidding. Though obviously if you did live in one of those constituencies you should cover up any identifying number on the ballot before taking the photo.
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Jun 3, 2017 17:08
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Regarde Aduck posted:The vote invalidation part of this law opens it up to abuse. What a dumb addition. well - in the UK the failure of vote secrecy was traditionally used by landlords on tenants. you could voluntarily give up proof. or you could pay more rent. y'know, your choice. so make of that what you will. the EC people have to consider the possibility of voter coercion. the simplest response is invalidation.
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Jun 3, 2017 17:10
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forkboy84 posted:Not as far as I'm aware. It's illegal to reveal anything anyone else has done, so they don't like you to take photos. But it's not illegal. Or it wasn't a year ago according to a quick Google search. IANAL That's a joke in very bad taste. Also it'll be bad for Corbyn. No, but seriously, there will probably be a Daily Mail article about it real soon, too.
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Jun 3, 2017 17:10
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forkboy84 posted:Not as far as I'm aware. It's illegal to reveal anything anyone else has done, so they don't like you to take photos. But it's not illegal. Or it wasn't a year ago according to a quick Google search. IANAL I fact checked this and quote:Can you take a selfie? While a photo itself isn't illegal, what banksy wants you to do with it is.
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Jun 3, 2017 17:10
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ronya posted:well - in the UK the failure of vote secrecy was traditionally used by landlords on tenants. you could voluntarily give up proof. or you could pay more rent. y'know, your choice. the best response is putting landlords that do that inside for life and seizing their assets because they've attempted to use capital to directly manipulate people
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Jun 3, 2017 17:13
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Pochoclo posted:That's a joke in very bad taste. Also it'll be bad for Corbyn. A joke encouraging people to vote against the Tories is in the best of taste tbh. (Though obviously if it was some rich oval office offering bribes to vote Tory I'd find it a lot less funny & a lot more bad)
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forkboy84 posted:(Though obviously if it was some rich oval office offering bribes to vote Tory I'd find it a lot less funny & a lot more bad) Yeah but you see, this is exactly why it's bad - we have to be consistent about this. Influencing votes with bribery is bad, even if it's on our side, otherwise we're as unprincipled as they are.
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Jun 3, 2017 17:14
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it only takes one summons on banksy for the EC to learn all the addresses of those who have merrily sent him photographs in blithe ignorance, by the by even assuming that none of the photographs include the serial number - which assumes a bit much of the sort of person who falls for this, but let's give it here - connecting that to voting addresses and ballot serial numbers is a matter of paperwork and EC discretion over how much of an Don't Do This example they want to make
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Jun 3, 2017 17:18
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Regarde Aduck posted:The vote invalidation part of this law opens it up to abuse. What a dumb addition. Just fine the people that hosed up. Votes are sacred and it should take a lot more to invalidate them. how is it open to abuse? no-one other than the idiot in the voting booth take a photo of a ballot paper, so it's only ever your own ballot you could be invalidating. no way for anyone to invalidate anyone else's
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Jun 3, 2017 17:19
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Jesus, surely Banksy of all people must have a lawyer, who he can phone up and say "hey I'm thinking of getting people to show me their votes in return for-" and then get cut off by the endless screams of terror coming through on the other end maybe he assumed it was a dial tone
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Jun 3, 2017 17:20
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You can life-hack your way out of losing your vote by not photographing your ballot paper which is literally the easiest thing to do in the world being exponentially more effort to do than not do. Banksy is a dumb idiot moron who's going to lose progressives a bunch of votes and he fully deserves whatever he gets for this stupid, stupid stunt.
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Jun 3, 2017 17:21
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Cerv posted:how is it open to abuse? no-one other than the idiot in the voting booth take a photo of a ballot paper, so it's only ever your own ballot you could be invalidating. no way for anyone to invalidate anyone else's Depends. Are ballot IDs unpredictable, or are they just sequential numbers? Because if it's the latter, then someone with enough money to invest could print exact replicas of ballots and use thousands of russian bot twitter accounts to invalidate a lot of votes in a constituency.
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Jun 3, 2017 17:22
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Regarde Aduck posted:The vote invalidation part of this law opens it up to abuse. What a dumb addition. Just fine the people that hosed up. Votes are sacred and it should take a lot more to invalidate them. Taking a picture of your ballot or obtaining some other proof of the way you voted is normally associated with people selling their votes or being otherwise coerced into voting, so yes it should absolutely invalidate your vote. Hmm, I wonder if there's any way we can convince Tories to post pics of their ballots on social media to "prevent the loony lefties stealing the election"?
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Spangly A posted:the best response is putting landlords that do that inside for life and seizing their assets because they've attempted to use capital to directly manipulate people I've got some terrible, terrible news for you.
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