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| Labour |
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907 | 49.92% |
| Theresa May Team (Conservative) |
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48 | 2.64% |
| Liberal Democrats |
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31 | 1.71% |
| UKIP |
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13 | 0.72% |
| Plaid Cymru |
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25 | 1.38% |
| Green |
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22 | 1.21% |
| Scottish Socialist Party |
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12 | 0.66% |
| Scottish Conservative Party |
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1 | 0.06% |
| Scottish National Party |
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59 | 3.25% |
| Some Kind of Irish Unionist |
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4 | 0.22% |
| Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian |
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3 | 0.17% |
| Some Kind of Irish Nationalist |
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36 | 1.98% |
| Misc. Far Left Trots |
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35 | 1.93% |
| Misc. Far Right Fash |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Monster Raving Loony |
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49 | 2.70% |
| Space Navies Party |
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39 | 2.15% |
| Independent / Single Issue |
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2 | 0.11% |
| Can't Vote |
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188 | 10.35% |
| Won't Vote |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Spoiled Ballot |
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15 | 0.83% |
| Pissflaps |
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312 | 17.17% |
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Start spreading rumours about pencils or whatever the hell that was on about in the eu referendum. 54 - the sex number if you're bad at maths or really really good at sex.
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Pochoclo posted:Depends. Are ballot IDs unpredictable, or are they just sequential numbers? Because if it's the latter, then someone with enough money to invest could print exact replicas of ballots and use thousands of russian bot twitter accounts to invalidate a lot of votes in a constituency. just a thought but someone at the EC might notice that the crosses are in the wrong boxes and drawn differently. or get a little suspicious when thousands of people are claiming that the bot accounts aren't theirs
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Jun 3, 2017 17:26
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Pochoclo posted:Depends. Are ballot IDs unpredictable, or are they just sequential numbers? Because if it's the latter, then someone with enough money to invest could print exact replicas of ballots and use thousands of russian bot twitter accounts to invalidate a lot of votes in a constituency. how is Russian Bot going to match all the marks on the ballots though which are made with a pen, with all the vagaries of fumbling human fingers
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Jun 3, 2017 17:26
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namesake posted:Start spreading rumours about pencils or whatever the hell that was on about in the eu referendum. Pen doesn't invalidate your vote though.
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Jun 3, 2017 17:27
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Taking a picture of your ballot or obtaining some other proof of the way you voted is normally associated with people selling their votes or being otherwise coerced into voting, so yes it should absolutely invalidate your vote. I stand corrected. Guess I just have to hope no one still listens to Banksy
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Jun 3, 2017 17:28
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It started with the Scottish independence referendum. The more lively nationalists started advocating you should use your own pen, otherwise unionists will rub your mark out on your ballot paper and change it.
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Jun 3, 2017 17:29
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Not long to wait, poll fans https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/871041183040122880
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Jun 3, 2017 17:30
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ronya posted:how is Russian Bot going to match all the marks on the ballots though Cerv posted:just a thought but someone at the EC might notice that the crosses are in the wrong boxes and drawn differently. This assumes that the government is going to painstakingly match each and every physical ballot (which they have to find in a huge pile of paper) with the pictures and compare them. I don't know if I trust them that much. At the very least, it would cause a lot of noise. Also, again, this is only if the ballot IDs are sequential, which would be immensely stupid. They're probably some kind of cryptographically generated hash, which makes this whole thing moot. Pochoclo fucked around with this message at 17:35 on Jun 3, 2017 |
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Jun 3, 2017 17:31
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The Banksy thing doesn't seem to have made any significant news outlets yet. If it does it will probably have a "this is really illegal don't do it" rider attached in the article.
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Jun 3, 2017 17:33
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Pochoclo posted:This assumes that the government is going to painstakingly match each and every physical ballot (which they have to find in a huge pile of paper) with the pictures and compare them. I don't know if I trust them that much. we do trust postal ballots as with postal voting, this is one of those threat models where an actual credible threat has to exist before we start asking questions like this. I mean, it could be done. Start your bot network now, fake some social media activity for five years, remain undetected and then BAM, ballots for days. would anyone bother though? It'd be easier to hack the postal vote. I think the number of people who will send photographs of ballots to banksy is guaranteed to be nonzero at this point, because people are idiots, but we can only hope his automated response is an email saying: lol u idiot
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Jun 3, 2017 17:36
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Corbanksy
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Jun 3, 2017 17:36
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It'd be nice if Banksy himself retracted his message and said sorry.
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Jun 3, 2017 17:36
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Pochoclo posted:Also, again, this is only if the ballot IDs are sequential, which would be immensely stupid. They're probably some kind of cryptographically generated hash, which makes this whole thing moot. they're not only serialised, they're connected to your voter registration when you vote - but the connection is sealed in a secret, secret box that ideally takes a court-ordered recount to open this whole operation is enforced by humans, not 2048-bit RSA
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Jun 3, 2017 17:39
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Pochoclo posted:This assumes that the government is going to painstakingly match each and every physical ballot (which they have to find in a huge pile of paper) with the pictures and compare them. I don't know if I trust them that much. No, they're sequential - why would they be anything else?
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Jun 3, 2017 17:41
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http://alexanderlozada.com/iasip/?IkJhbmtzeSBBdHRlbXB0cyB0byBGdWNrIFVwIEFuIEVsZWN0aW9uIg==
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Jun 3, 2017 17:42
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Why do they provide pencils rather than pens at the polling station, anyway? I'm sure someone once explained it to me and it was a very good reason but buggered if I can remember it.
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Jun 3, 2017 17:43
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Why do they provide pencils rather than pens at the polling station, anyway? I'm sure someone once explained it to me and it was a very good reason but buggered if I can remember it. not going to cause an invalid vote by leaking unexpectedly? i assume they could give you a second ballot but people are dumb
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Jun 3, 2017 17:44
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ronya posted:it turns out that the guy who sank the North East Assembly is also a big Brexit supporter, what a shock
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Jun 3, 2017 17:45
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Why do they provide pencils rather than pens at the polling station, anyway? I'm sure someone once explained it to me and it was a very good reason but buggered if I can remember it. It's so the unionists can scribble out your vote and put an X for no instead. It's how they won the first indy ref
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Jun 3, 2017 17:45
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pencils can't secretly have their insides be replaced by disappearing ink like those bastards in [the other side of whatever vote this is] are secretly planning on secreting into polling stations WAKE UP SHEEPLE
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Jun 3, 2017 17:46
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What about Postal Votes? Like how would that work compared to taking photos at the polling station.
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Jun 3, 2017 17:46
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jBrereton posted:Maybe the problem with the North East assembly is that it was a waste of time nobody wanted, and distraction from low government spending in the English regions, potentially channelling millions away to fund another layer of bureaucracy that we don't need. well, nobody needs that layer of bureaucracy, really, but the Scottish and the Welsh and I guess the Cornish want it so
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Jun 3, 2017 17:47
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Extreme0 posted:What about Postal Votes? Like how would that work compared to taking photos at the polling station. with postal votes it's a lost cause since you can, you know, just show your ballot to whoever under whatever coercive threats before posting said ballot. nobody verifies your identity when you post it, so maybe all you're doing is selling your blank signed postal ballot in the absence of specific precedent of such an attack, we generally trust postal votes, however
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Jun 3, 2017 17:48
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ronya posted:well, nobody needs that layer of bureaucracy, really, but the Scottish and the Welsh and I guess the Cornish want it so
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Jun 3, 2017 17:49
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ronya posted:with postal votes it's a lost cause since you can, you know, just show your ballot to whoever under whatever coercive threats before posting said ballot. nobody verifies your identity when you post it, so maybe all you're doing is selling your blank signed postal ballot *cough*Tower Hamlets*cough*
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Jun 3, 2017 17:50
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jBrereton posted:They can't even use it to get an independence referendum, gently caress's the point? Waste Of Money + Time. part of living in a union is sometimes entertaining the hopes and dreams of other people
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Jun 3, 2017 17:51
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forkboy84 posted:Do you live in Bristol North West, Bristol West, North Somerset, Thornbury, or Kingswood and Filton constituencies? Would you like a nice complimentary gift to celebrate the election that you absolutely cannot sell on? Then Banksy is your man, just take a photo of your ballot showing you didn't vote Tory.
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Jun 3, 2017 17:52
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Why do they provide pencils rather than pens at the polling station, anyway? I'm sure someone once explained it to me and it was a very good reason but buggered if I can remember it. My man have you heard the story about NASA, the Russians, and the $70 million pen?
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Jun 3, 2017 17:53
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jBrereton posted:Maybe the problem with the North East assembly is that it was a waste of time nobody wanted, and distraction from low government spending in the English regions, potentially channelling millions away to fund another layer of bureaucracy that we don't need. You're right.
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Jun 3, 2017 17:54
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Regarde Aduck posted:It'd be nice if Banksy himself retracted his message and said sorry. The contest notice is the artwork and he isn't actually going to send anything to anyone.
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Jun 3, 2017 17:57
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goddamnedtwisto posted:*cough*Tower Hamlets*cough* I know. Also a bunch of smaller incidents in Manchester, Birmingham, etc. We are mainly fortunate that the more important elections in these contexts are non-competitive anyway - the proportional council seats are affected, but the FPTP ones are either Labour safe seats, which gives Labour no reason to contest the result, or fringe party seats that subtract from Labour, which gives the Tories no reason to contest the result. There is no larger crisis of legitimacy - yet.
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Pochoclo posted:This assumes that the government is going to painstakingly match each and every physical ballot (which they have to find in a huge pile of paper) with the pictures and compare them. I don't know if I trust them that much. hash of what? you're given the first ballot paper off the top of the pad. not one waiting for you specifically.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:No, they're sequential - why would they be anything else? Because any idiot would be able to know all voter IDs in a constituency if they are sequential. Sure, they might not be able to do jack-poo poo with that information, but why even risk it, when there's a perfect viable alternative that doesn't need more resources or effort? I mean, I'm sorry if I come across as excessive or whatever, I just was involved in the development of very secure software before and this is like a cardinal sin to me. Cerv posted:hash of what? you're given the first ballot paper off the top of the pad. not one waiting for you specifically. A random hash, man, come on, this is not that hard. Instead of 1 2 3 you get f98jda89fha798989 f98uufjds98fjsd98 g9f8dh89878
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Jun 3, 2017 17:58
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Tokamak posted:The contest notice is the artwork and he isn't actually going to send anything to anyone. [being dragged into a police van] no actually when I threatened to kill the prime minister it was a Work Of Art you can't touch me I
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Jun 3, 2017 17:58
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Pochoclo posted:A random hash, man, come on, this is not that hard. Instead of
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Pochoclo posted:Because any idiot would be able to know all voter IDs in a constituency if they are sequential. Sure, they might not be able to do jack-poo poo with that information, but why even risk it, when there's a perfect viable alternative that doesn't need more resources or effort? oh i think i see what you've misunderstood these numbers are not *voter* IDs, there are ballot paper IDs. which ballot ID is linked to which voter is effectively random unless you have a conspiracy to control who turns up in what order and when.
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Jun 3, 2017 18:02
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Why do they provide pencils rather than pens at the polling station, anyway? I'm sure someone once explained it to me and it was a very good reason but buggered if I can remember it. Still didn't stop Team Leave making #penisbest a thing.
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Jun 3, 2017 18:03
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jBrereton posted:polling staff mishandle generic alphanumeric codes, no? Yeah now that you mention it I guess this might present an obstacle in rural Bumfuckburg Nevermind then, tradeoffs are tradeoffs Cerv posted:oh i think i see what you've misunderstood No, I understood that part, I'm just a stickler for this stuff, it's important in my job
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Jun 3, 2017 18:04
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Pencils were brought in because people kept nicking the pens, and they found that people were far less likely to steal a pencil. Honest to god actual answer.
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Pochoclo posted:Because any idiot would be able to know all voter IDs in a constituency if they are sequential. Sure, they might not be able to do jack-poo poo with that information, but why even risk it, when there's a perfect viable alternative that doesn't need more resources or effort? this fails the requirement that an attacker should not be able to produce more physical ballots than have been verified to have been legitimately cast, and have these additional ballots be indistinguishable from the real ones
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