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business hammocks posted:Voter suppression so far seems born out of desperation to keep power, not to expand it. The trick barely works on a national level. It 'barely' worked in 2016.
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dont even fink about it posted:They're not organized enough to have a cohesive strategy, least of all in their death throes. Well, most of the legislative work they're doing is state level, and that's all coordinated nationally through ALEC. There's a reason "bathroom bills" hit in multiple states at once. Ditto voter ID, etc. That said yeah there's no one villain cackling over a cat in a volcano crater. There's just a lot of independent Republican politicians independently grasping at power using a common, national toolbox.
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Jun 3, 2017 19:09
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Voter suppression is one of those things that's like an open secret where Democratic politicians cannot even imply it's a thing, right? In that Republicans will just start talking about preventing voter fraud and actually it is you who is the real racist. It feels like it doesn't come up nearly enough when the Democrats are playing with an obvious disadvantage.
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Jun 3, 2017 19:11
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Captain Monkey posted:It 'barely' worked in 2016. It's a jump to say that the same tactics can eliminate open elections by 2018.
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Jun 3, 2017 19:12
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Was Paris really going to cost us 100b? I know it was essentially toothless but I've been hearing the "paying for nothing" argument a lot lately
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Jun 3, 2017 19:13
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Well, most of the legislative work they're doing is state level, and that's all coordinated nationally through ALEC. There's a reason "bathroom bills" hit in multiple states at once. Ditto voter ID, etc. Oh, I was speaking more of the Trump administration. The actual Republican political machine is a much different story.
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Jun 3, 2017 19:15
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Darth Windu posted:Was Paris really going to cost us 100b? I know it was essentially toothless but I've been hearing the "paying for nothing" argument a lot lately Lol, why do you bother posting here?
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Jun 3, 2017 19:16
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Lightning Lord posted:Lol, why do you bother posting here? I'm asking a question? I don't see the issue.
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Jun 3, 2017 19:16
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business hammocks posted:Voter suppression so far seems born out of desperation to keep power, not to expand it. The trick barely works on a national level. How are we defining voter suppression here and what criteria are you using to determine that it's actually working? The GOP have near total control over the federal government right now and they're only being hamstrung by their own incompetence and inability to transition away from a strategy of obstructionism. Their tactics have been working just fine for at least the last two decades and they are legitimately reaping the benefits with federal departments and agencies, even if they're failing on a legislative level.
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Jun 3, 2017 19:17
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Darth Windu posted:Was Paris really going to cost us 100b? I know it was essentially toothless but I've been hearing the "paying for nothing" argument a lot lately yes it was set to be a huge wealth transfer from american taxpayers to foreign dictators and tax exempt corporations. There are countless examples of how in europe and canada, carbon tax money was used to subsidise coal plants and other heavily polluting industries. Its literally a scam.
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Jun 3, 2017 19:18
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Chilichimp posted:gently caress npr, dipshits are trying to save their jobs by fluffing trump Yes, truly, NPR is part of the pro-Trump intelligencia. This is the most stupid thing I've see posted in the past thirty pages. That's impressive.
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Jun 3, 2017 19:21
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Darth Windu posted:I'm asking a question? I don't see the issue. Because it encourages "I jerk off to gay frog orgies" dipshits the guy two posts above me.
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Jun 3, 2017 19:22
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smoke sumthin bitch posted:yes it was set to be a huge wealth transfer from american taxpayers to foreign dictators and tax exempt corporations. There are countless examples of how in europe and canada, carbon tax money was used to subsidise coal plants and other heavily polluting industries. Its literally a scam. ya it was such an evil conspiracy that literally every country in the world except one that isn't really a country anymore got onboard to funnel money to dictators and evil corporations every country in the world
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Jun 3, 2017 19:25
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smoke sumthin bitch posted:yes it was set to be a huge wealth transfer from american taxpayers to foreign dictators and tax exempt corporations. There are countless examples of how in europe and canada, carbon tax money was used to subsidise coal plants and other heavily polluting industries. Its literally a scam. DO you have something I can read on that? Google isn't turning up anything.
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Pikavangelist posted:Because it encourages "I jerk off to gay frog orgies" dipshits the guy two posts above me. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/nov/03/greece-set-to-win-175m-from-eu-climate-scheme-to-build-two-coal-plants http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/irving-oil-carbon-tax-nb-1.4122789 http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_MEMO-12-561_en.htm?locale=en
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Lol the rally for Pittsburgh isn't even in Pittsburgh.
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Jun 3, 2017 19:27
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smoke sumthin bitch posted:https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/nov/03/greece-set-to-win-175m-from-eu-climate-scheme-to-build-two-coal-plants Thanks man. Maybe trump was right to take us out, then. Granted it's the only thing he's been right on so far
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Jun 3, 2017 19:29
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Fitzy Fitz posted:Lol the rally for Pittsburgh isn't even in Pittsburgh. Even better, it's in motherfucking Lafayette Square gently caress the French, let's chill in this poorly named venue for our gently caress the French march! edit: I wanna see the alt-right go back to Freedom Fries because they hate the Frenchies ruining our economy so much edit^2: Darth how long have you been a sockpuppet of Smoke Sumthin
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Jun 3, 2017 19:29
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Pittsburgh went Clinton overwhelmingly (55% to 39%). Guessing Trump prefers safe spaces for his pep rallies.Darth Windu posted:Thanks man. Maybe trump was right to take us out, then. Granted it's the only thing he's been right on so far You've totally convinced us, we're all wrong, great work.
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Jun 3, 2017 19:30
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FizFashizzle posted:I keep saying this and I am confident I will be vindicated: the whole tea party wave, some GOP old guards, McConnell and ryan are full of Russian money and are waiting for the shoe to drop. I hope you're right, and I hope we can capitalize on it with something slightly better than Carter squared.
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Darth Windu posted:Thanks man. Maybe trump was right to take us out, then. Granted it's the only thing he's been right on so far "Maybe Trump is right about this, just this one time", thought uninformed man Complex international agreements are going to have some flaws somewhere, that doesn't mean they're a *net* negative
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Jun 3, 2017 19:30
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This article sucks for shading in various states and then not actually linking to the bills. California is shaded in two of the graphics and not mentioned once in the text of the article!
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Jun 3, 2017 19:31
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:"Maybe Trump is right about this, just this one time", thought uninformed man It could mean a net negative for the us, which is a legitimate reason to want to renegotiate.
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Jun 3, 2017 19:32
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Do not reply to Darth Windu.
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Oxxidation posted:Do not reply to Darth Windu. this appears to be good advice
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Jun 3, 2017 19:34
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Darth Windu posted:It could mean a net negative for the us, which is a legitimate reason to want to renegotiate. Ya, ya, makes you think 🤔
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Jun 3, 2017 19:36
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Paradoxish posted:How are we defining voter suppression here and what criteria are you using to determine that it's actually working? The GOP have near total control over the federal government right now and they're only being hamstrung by their own incompetence and inability to transition away from a strategy of obstructionism. Their tactics have been working just fine for at least the last two decades and they are legitimately reaping the benefits with federal departments and agencies, even if they're failing on a legislative level. That's a question for the poster I quoted, but if it's partisan manipulation of local election boards to close polling places and eliminate or restrict early voting or id laws, as I assumed, that's not really the reason republicans control the legislature, or not the big reason. Voter suppression was one major factor in Trump's election, but would not have delivered him the presidency if not for Clinton's historic unpopularity and Comey's email announcements. Republicans running the house and senate comes from republican voters being obedient and strongly motivated by loathing of a black president, as well as the more powerful and effective messaging republicans get through their huge advantage in funding and their ability to control national narrative and discourse on key republican issues. Voter suppression through law alone didn't depress turnout for non-republican voters either, though it is a very important factor. The most powerful form of voter suppression has always been to sap people's motivation to vote or to make it seem useless or hopeless. They're in control, but it's a tenuous control and I don't see how they can write themselves laws that will end American democracy by 2018.
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Jun 3, 2017 19:37
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CPColin posted:This article sucks for shading in various states and then not actually linking to the bills. California is shaded in two of the graphics and not mentioned once in the text of the article! It's also only showing states where bills have been introduced, which is completely meaningless. Let's compare two maps from that article:    State legislatures are awful and idiotic legislation gets introduced or even passed through committee all the time. It means absolutely nothing and this kind of analysis is worthless without also discussing the likelihood that a bill will actually move forward in a meaningful way.
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i think the only real conclusion is that south dakota just doesnt give a poo poo about voting
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One thing to keep in mind is that there are large areas of America that have only had democracy for a fairly short period of time. Plenty of black people can remember being unable to vote. "American Democracy" is not nearly as strong a tradition as we pretend.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:One thing to keep in mind is that there are large areas of America that have only had democracy for a fairly short period of time. Plenty of black people can remember being unable to vote. "American Democracy" is not nearly as strong a tradition as we pretend. Women have also been able to vote for less than half the nation's history
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Darth Windu posted:It could mean a net negative for the us, which is a legitimate reason to want to renegotiate. Otho, the earth remains habitable. Which seems like something you should put into the positive column. Fuckwit.
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Jun 3, 2017 19:45
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Someone I went to highschool with shared a fox news post that basically said "The US Paid $1B into green energy technology, but the other major polluters [China, India, Russia] have paid nothing, therefore it was smart to pull out of the Paris Accord" I'm glad "take your ball and go home, gently caress the earth" is a tenant of the GOP
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Jun 3, 2017 19:50
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Unoriginal Name posted:Otho, the earth remains habitable. Yeah but what do *I* get out of it
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Spaced God posted:Someone I went to highschool with shared a fox news post that basically said "The US Paid $1B into green energy technology, but the other major polluters [China, India, Russia] have paid nothing, therefore it was smart to pull out of the Paris Accord" It helps to realize that most people have no real understanding of just how massive the US government's role in the US economy actually is. A lot of people hear about something that "costs us money" or that we "paid for" and don't really get that we're talking about literally growing the economy through government spending.
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Darth Windu posted:Was Paris really going to cost us 100b? I know it was essentially toothless but I've been hearing the "paying for nothing" argument a lot lately It wouldn't matter either way. A hundred billion dollars to a 16 Trillion dollar economy is functionally nothing. We are the preeminent industrial society in human civilization. What's worth more? The money or the long term viability of the species? The only people that are saying this is worth nothing are dead-enders that don't deserve to be part of the species at all.
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Darth Windu posted:DO you have something I can read on that? Google isn't turning up anything. smoke sumthin bitch is our town fool. You should regard anything he posts with extreme skepticism.
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Paradoxish posted:It helps to realize that most people have no real understanding of just how massive the US government's role in the US economy actually is. A lot of people hear about something that "costs us money" or that we "paid for" and don't really get that we're talking about literally growing the economy through government spending. People like to pretend that the economy is capable of massive growth uncoupled from government spending. I heard it yesterday on On Point from a caller.
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Chilichimp posted:gently caress npr, dipshits are trying to save their jobs by fluffing trump quote:"[Approval] is a pretty labile measure in general," said Frank Newport, editor-in-chief at Gallup. But for Trump, he said, it just "isn't changing much." quote:As with so many other phenomena in politics these days, polarization appears to be another driving factor here. That last bit I bolded is, in my opinion, one of the biggest political issues we're facing today.
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Nonsense posted:People like to pretend that the economy is capable of massive growth uncoupled from government spending. I heard it yesterday on On Point from a caller. It's actually crazy how hard it is to convince people that roughly 40% of our GDP is composed of federal, state, and local spending, and that's just actual dollar values without accounting for the positive growth effects that spending has on the private sector. Lots of people are completely decoupled from reality when it comes to how they view the economy and the role of the government in it.
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