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Labour 907 49.92%
Theresa May Team (Conservative) 48 2.64%
Liberal Democrats 31 1.71%
UKIP 13 0.72%
Plaid Cymru 25 1.38%
Green 22 1.21%
Scottish Socialist Party 12 0.66%
Scottish Conservative Party 1 0.06%
Scottish National Party 59 3.25%
Some Kind of Irish Unionist 4 0.22%
Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian 3 0.17%
Some Kind of Irish Nationalist 36 1.98%
Misc. Far Left Trots 35 1.93%
Misc. Far Right Fash 8 0.44%
Monster Raving Loony 49 2.70%
Space Navies Party 39 2.15%
Independent / Single Issue 2 0.11%
Can't Vote 188 10.35%
Won't Vote 8 0.44%
Spoiled Ballot 15 0.83%
Pissflaps 312 17.17%
Total: 1817 votes
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spectralent
Oct 1, 2014

Me and the boys poppin' down to the shops

:psyduck:

He does know who's in government, right?

80 years of age is the upper limit for cardinals voting on the papacy, because moses.

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Mnoba
Jun 24, 2010

Namtab posted:

Trump army bitch

he's not with us, we have very specific avie's see

TheRat
Aug 30, 2006

the trump tutelage posted:

To be clear, is it the opinion of this thread that there is not a troubling level of anti-egalitarian and anti-humanist sentiment amongst the UK's Muslim population in particular, and the global Muslim population in general? Or is it that these sentiments aren't troubling or problematic, or are unrelated to the recent events?

The opinion is that you should take your concern trolling and gently caress off as far as humanly possible

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

the trump tutelage posted:

To be clear, is it the opinion of this thread that there is not a troubling level of anti-egalitarian and anti-humanist sentiment amongst the UK's Muslim population in particular, and the global Muslim population in general? Or is it that these sentiments aren't troubling or problematic, or are unrelated to the recent events?

No, dunno, yes, no.

PIGS BREXIT
Mar 29, 2017

the trump tutelage posted:

To be clear, is it the opinion of this thread that there is not a troubling level of anti-egalitarian and anti-humanist sentiment amongst the UK's population in particular, and the global population in general? Or is it that these sentiments aren't troubling or problematic, or are unrelated to the recent events?

ftfy

ISeeCuckedPeople
Feb 7, 2017

by Smythe

maskenfreiheit posted:

so even with vastly increased fullblown 1984 powers they couldn't predict this lmfao enjoy your panopticon sheeple

What I've gathered from these attacks is that the European Intelligence community is lightyears behind the NSA, CIA, and FBI when it comes to stopping these things.

jBrereton
May 30, 2013
Grimey Drawer

ISeeCuckedPeople posted:

What I've gathered from these attacks is that the European Intelligence community is lightyears behind the NSA, CIA, and FBI when it comes to stopping these things.
S'right, it's why nobody is stabbed for political reasons in the 'States.

Fans
Jun 27, 2013

A reptile dysfunction

jBrereton posted:

S'right, it's why nobody is stabbed for political reasons in the 'States.

I mean this is true, it's real easy to get a gun.

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

Extreme0 posted:

So much for Hope from some people. Guess that the tories have won now.


If they only bombed the Sun offices I think I would of been fine with that.

gently caress off with that poo poo dude.

Mnoba posted:

he's not with us, we have very specific avie's see

I don't hate that ava

spectralent posted:

:psyduck:

He does know who's in government, right?
No you see Labour let in all the eastern European Muslims in 2003....

jBrereton
May 30, 2013
Grimey Drawer

Fans posted:

I mean this is true, it's real easy to get a gun.
(it happened like 3 days ago)

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
Gonna wait and see how the Tory government responds so soon before an election. What I'd tell the Trump avs is that there is a history of right-wing governments (i.e. Spain) overreacting to terrorist attacks in an arrogant and opportunistic fashion which backfires when people show up to vote.

Trickjaw
Jun 23, 2005
Nadie puede dar lo que no tiene



Oh good. Another one.

Intrinsic Field Marshal
Sep 6, 2014

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Fans
Jun 27, 2013

A reptile dysfunction

jBrereton posted:

(it happened like 3 days ago)

I actually missed that, what was it?

baka kaba
Jul 19, 2003

PLEASE ASK ME, THE SELF-PROFESSED NO #1 PAUL CATTERMOLE FAN IN THE SOMETHING AWFUL S-CLUB 7 MEGATHREAD, TO NAME A SINGLE SONG BY HIS EXCELLENT NU-METAL SIDE PROJECT, SKUA, AND IF I CAN'T PLEASE TELL ME TO
EAT SHIT

TheRat posted:

Just Asking Questions :allears:

definitely JAQing it all right

ISeeCuckedPeople posted:

What I've gathered from these attacks is that the European Intelligence community is lightyears behind the NSA, CIA, and FBI when it comes to stopping these things.

Everyone's already covered the teeny tiny flaw in your point, but how exactly do you pre-emptively stop someone with a car or a knife from attacking people? It's not exactly a plot requiring an international team of master criminals to get together

Intrinsic Field Marshal
Sep 6, 2014

by SA Support Robot

jBrereton posted:

S'right, it's why nobody is stabbed for political reasons in the 'States.

They prefer to use guns and bikelocks

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

baka kaba posted:

definitely JAQing it all right


Everyone's already covered the teeny tiny flaw in your point, but how exactly do you pre-emptively stop someone with a car or a knife from attacking people? It's not exactly a plot requiring an international team of master criminals to get together

Ban cars ban knives

Extreme0
Feb 28, 2013

I dance to the sweet tune of your failure so I'm never gonna stop fucking with you.

Continue to get confused and frustrated with me as I dance to your anger.

As I expect nothing more from ya you stupid runt!


Namtab posted:

gently caress off with that poo poo dude.

Nah. I would enjoy if anything The Sun related was destroyed.

baka kaba posted:

Everyone's already covered the teeny tiny flaw in your point, but how exactly do you pre-emptively stop someone with a car or a knife from attacking people?

Do the same thing people do in Minority Report.

spectralent
Oct 1, 2014

Me and the boys poppin' down to the shops

Namtab posted:

Ban cars ban knives

You could make the edge of a knife flat. Makes it harder to stab with. OTOH, that reduces the utility of the knife.

unlimited shrimp
Aug 30, 2008

TheRat posted:

The opinion is that you should take your concern trolling and gently caress off as far as humanly possible
Not sure what you think concern trolling is, but it was an honest question.

Lord of the Llamas
Jul 9, 2002

EULER'VE TO SEE IT VENN SOMEONE CALLS IT THE WRONG THING AND PROVOKES MY WRATH

spectralent posted:

:psyduck:

He does know who's in government, right?

80 years of age is the upper limit for cardinals voting on the papacy, because moses.

Maybe he means Labour's open border policy on opening Iraq's borders.

He doesn't though.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

spectralent posted:

You could make the edge of a knife flat. Makes it harder to stab with. OTOH, that reduces the utility of the knife.

Not sure you can realistically ban sharp objects.

jabby
Oct 27, 2010


Is it me, or has the the word 'cowardly' really been pushed recently to describe these attacks? I remember May and Rudd using it in just about every statement, now Khan. I only noticed because Corbyn always seemed to avoid describing the attacker and focused instead on the response by emergency services/ordinary citizens.

It's a trivial thing, it just sticks out at me because it's not the word I would choose myself.

vodkat
Jun 30, 2012



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the trump tutelage posted:

Not sure what you think concern trolling is, but it was an honest question.

Being told to get the gently caress out of this thread wasn't a question m8

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

jabby posted:

Is it me, or has the the word 'cowardly' really been pushed recently to describe these attacks? I remember May and Rudd using it in just about every statement, now Khan. I only noticed because Corbyn always seemed to avoid describing the attacker and focused instead on the response by emergency services/ordinary citizens.

It's a trivial thing, it just sticks out at me because it's not the word I would choose myself.

Eh, I would tend to say it's somewhat accurate and I think it's a good way to describe it publicly.

Lord of the Llamas
Jul 9, 2002

EULER'VE TO SEE IT VENN SOMEONE CALLS IT THE WRONG THING AND PROVOKES MY WRATH

OwlFancier posted:

Eh, I would tend to say it's somewhat accurate and I think it's a good way to describe it publicly.

Yeah there's definitely a difference between attacking defenceless people on the street and the state security apparatus.

Extreme0
Feb 28, 2013

I dance to the sweet tune of your failure so I'm never gonna stop fucking with you.

Continue to get confused and frustrated with me as I dance to your anger.

As I expect nothing more from ya you stupid runt!


OwlFancier posted:

Not sure you can realistically ban sharp objects.

Ban Hands

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
FYI, that Atlantic article on ISIS that was being passed around in this thread is pretty thorough bullshit.

vodkat
Jun 30, 2012



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jabby posted:

Is it me, or has the the word 'cowardly' really been pushed recently to describe these attacks? I remember May and Rudd using it in just about every statement, now Khan. I only noticed because Corbyn always seemed to avoid describing the attacker and focused instead on the response by emergency services/ordinary citizens.

It's a trivial thing, it just sticks out at me because it's not the word I would choose myself.

I am sure it is not intentional because at times like this people are lost for words and will reach for whatever fits, mostly echoing the language of other people. I always think of this whenever you hear people say 'send our thoughts and prayers', I'm sure most of them don't believe it, at least literally, but what else can you say in response? But cowardly is an odd word because it somehow implies that there are non-cowardly terrorist attacks.

spectralent
Oct 1, 2014

Me and the boys poppin' down to the shops

OwlFancier posted:

Not sure you can realistically ban sharp objects.

Nah, not at all, but I remember the flat-edge thing coming up a while ago.

Flayer
Sep 13, 2003

by Fluffdaddy
Buglord

kingturnip posted:

Well, I'm off to bed. I'm hoping there'll be something more useful being reported by the time I wake up.
And in the meantime, let me point out that 6188 people died of suicide in 2015 in the UK, compared to 0 from islamic terrorism. This year's seen a bit of an uptick from islamic terrorism, but it's still way behind suicide.
Basically, you are a far bigger threat to yourself than a few guys in the back of a Ford Transit will ever be.
I live in London and so do my family. My sister was locked down during the Westminster attack and earlier this evening my girlfriend and I passed through London Bridge. We often shop in Borough Market, we've eaten in Brindisa, we've been to Katzenjammer. There is a very real possibility that people I know and love could be the victims of Islamic terror. You're a disgusting individual telling us that we are we are more of a danger to ourselves than these monsters are.

unlimited shrimp
Aug 30, 2008

vodkat posted:

Being told to get the gently caress out of this thread wasn't a question m8
Here is an example of concern trolling:
Perhaps you would not be in this mess if you were as discriminating with people who want to live in your country as you are with people who want to post in a public thread on an internet subforum themed around debate and discussion.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

spectralent posted:

Nah, not at all, but I remember the flat-edge thing coming up a while ago.

I mean it's true for things that you are deliberately trying not to stab people with, that's why medical scissors exist, but it's a silly solution to the idea of people using knives as weapons because you'd also have to ban screwdrivers.

jabby
Oct 27, 2010

Lord of the Llamas posted:

Yeah there's definitely a difference between attacking defenceless people on the street and the state security apparatus.

That's true, but anyone who does it knows they're essentially committing suicide by police. It's horrific and inexcusable, but calling it cowardly feels almost like a deliberate refusal to try and understand the motivations behind the acts.

Maybe it's just me, like I said it just hits my ear wrong so I end up noticing it. I wouldn't even be surprised if people like Sadiq Khan have pre-prepared statements to go out in circumstances like these.

spectralent
Oct 1, 2014

Me and the boys poppin' down to the shops

jabby posted:

That's true, but anyone who does it knows they're essentially committing suicide by police. It's horrific and inexcusable, but calling it cowardly feels almost like a deliberate refusal to try and understand the motivations behind the acts.

Maybe it's just me, like I said it just hits my ear wrong so I end up noticing it. I wouldn't even be surprised if people like Sadiq Khan have pre-prepared statements to go out in circumstances like these.

The trouble is people's motives are inherently political, so anything other than the most vague accusations of badness (and polite suggestions for genocide, or at the very least mass displacement, for some inexplicable reason) can't be levelled for fear of "politicising tragedy" in proximity to the event. After the event drops out of the news cycle, nobody wants to talk about it.

Fans
Jun 27, 2013

A reptile dysfunction

the trump tutelage posted:

Here is an example of concern trolling:
Perhaps you would not be in this mess if you were as discriminating with people who want to live in your country as you are with people who want to post in a public thread on an internet subforum themed around debate and discussion.

The Westminister attacker and the Manchester bomber were both British Citizens though? Unless we're turning them back at the womb I don't exactly know how this would work.

The DPRK
Nov 18, 2006

Lipstick Apathy

kingturnip posted:

Well, I'm off to bed. I'm hoping there'll be something more useful being reported by the time I wake up.
And in the meantime, let me point out that 6188 people died of suicide in 2015 in the UK, compared to 0 from islamic terrorism. This year's seen a bit of an uptick from islamic terrorism, but it's still way behind suicide.
Basically, you are a far bigger threat to yourself than a few guys in the back of a Ford Transit will ever be.

I'm also statistically unlikely to be the victim of child sex trafficking. Doesn't mean I shouldn't give a toss about it.

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry

Flayer posted:

I live in London and so do my family. My sister was locked down during the Westminster attack and earlier this evening my girlfriend and I passed through London Bridge. We often shop in Borough Market, we've eaten in Brindisa, we've been to Katzenjammer. There is a very real possibility that people I know and love could be the victims of Islamic terror. You're a disgusting individual telling us that we are we are more of a danger to ourselves than these monsters are.

I also live in London and could be the victim of a terrorist attack, but honestly, it's just statistics. This kind of emotional outburst is exactly what the terrorists want, and I'm not going to give it to them.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

The DPRK posted:

I'm also statistically unlikely to be the victim of child sex trafficking. Doesn't mean I shouldn't give a toss about it.

It does probably mean you shouldn't surround all children with an armed police escort, though.

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unlimited shrimp
Aug 30, 2008

Fans posted:

The Westminister attacker and the Manchester bomber were both British Citizens though? Unless we're turning them back at the womb I don't exactly know how this would work.
It wouldn't. I was just being snarky in response to an asinine post.

But I'll not ask any more provoking questions in this thread while all this is still raw.

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