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Pener Kropoopkin posted:The Manchester attacker went all the way to Libya for training.
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jBrereton posted:Yeah he has family there, do you want every muslim edgelord who's posted "these crusaders are attacking the wrong people in Syria" and goes home to see their family in Pakistan locked up too? Bet there's faaahsands, most will just be pussyholes who never end up doing anything in their lives. He was reported by the community for expressing support for suicide bombing and there's no authority in Libya to persecute his family. There was more than enough reasonable suspicion to at least search his home.
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here is the bad news: https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/871050110775513088 (theresa may favorability is down, though, but not as much as youd think)
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:He was reported by the community for expressing support for suicide bombing and there's no authority in Libya to persecute his family. There was more than enough reasonable suspicion to at least search his home.
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Jun 4, 2017 01:41
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jBrereton posted:Fix the collapsing job market for young men, fix the housing situation, fix the the mental health system, then maybe reheat authoritarian criminal justice proceedings. it's so simple, it makes me lol every time I see the usual liberal v. conservative speculation on how to solve it
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Jun 4, 2017 01:53
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Vox Nihili posted:here is the bad news: is every politician in britain widely despised
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Canada's conservative leader is 38, imo it's time for olds like Corbin and may to retire
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Corek posted:is every politician in britain widely despised
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Corek posted:is every politician in britain widely despised Basically, yeah
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the idea that every politician is a total oval office who's only looking after their own interests is basically the default stance of the majority of the public in the UK
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Corek posted:is every politician in britain widely despised whenever you hear about blair coming back to Save Labour remember that he's literally one of the least popular human beings in the country
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jBrereton posted:I'm sure they have a huge gently caress off rolodex of people that the well-meaning members of the muslim community have said express some sympathy with the taliban or whatever, right. Maybe they failed in the ariana grande bomber case but if they had a look and missed it then not only do they not get his bomb, but they also contribute to a narrative where the British state acts badly towards the muslims which then gives more credence to extremist propaganda and so on, for the sake of a guy who was likely part of the no doubt many many thousands of incel failsons who weren't actually going to do owt. The notion that the state is persecuting Muslims doesn't really truck when it's the Muslim community itself that thinks these individuals are dangerous.
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Jun 4, 2017 02:36
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:The notion that the state is persecuting Muslims doesn't really truck when it's the Muslim community itself that thinks these individuals are dangerous.
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jBrereton posted:do you want every muslim edgelord who's posted "these crusaders are attacking the wrong people in Syria" and goes home to see their family in Pakistan locked up too? I mean, his dad was in an Al-Qaeda affiliate, and he and his dad travelled to Libya when the country was in the middle of a civil war. Seems like there there are a few more red flags there than most keyboard jihadis.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:I can't believe all the talk about constitutional monarchy being a bulwark against fascism and nobody brought up the Kingdom of Italy, which was literally a constitutional monarchy. a bunch of commies killed the dictator and a bunch of liberals then reformed it into a democratic state sound like a success story to me
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jBrereton posted:I'm sure they have a huge gently caress off rolodex of people that the well-meaning members of the muslim community have said express some sympathy with the taliban or whatever, right. Maybe they failed in the ariana grande bomber case but if they had a look and missed it then not only do they not get his bomb, but they also contribute to a narrative where the British state acts badly towards the muslims which then gives more credence to extremist propaganda and so on, for the sake of a guy who was likely part of the no doubt many many thousands of incel failsons who weren't actually going to do owt. so the point of your post is that we shouldn't fight terrorism because most people aren't terrorists?
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Bulgogi Hoagie posted:a bunch of commies killed the dictator and a bunch of liberals then reformed it into a democratic state sound like a success story to me and all it took was a couple of decades of fascist rule and an Allied invasion
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Karl Barks posted:ask the peasants if they prefered stalin to nicolas https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MC0Om8v8H7g
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Bulgogi Hoagie posted:if we're looking for examples of incredible monarchies ethiopia is a good one where no economic development ever took place because all land belonged to the emperor and reverted back to the emperor upon the death of the current emperor appointed viceroy and this nobody had any reason to improve their land pretty sure the Byzantine Empire had a viceroyalty system and they did fine for a 1000 years oh
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Captain_Maclaine posted:And I do hereby further declare all indentured Servants, Negroes, or others, (appertaining to Rebels,) free that are able and willing to bear Arms, they joining His MAJESTY'S Troops as soon as may be, for the more speedily reducing this Colony to a proper Sense of their Duty, to His MAJESTY'S Leige Subjects, to retain their Quitrents, or any other Taxes due or that may become due, in their own Custody, till such Time as Peace may be again restored to this at present most unhappy Country, or demanded of them for their former salutary Purposes, by Officers properly authorised to receive the same. we were the bad guys 
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Top City Homo posted:we were the bad guys The British were only offering amnesty to volunteers. If the Loyalists won there would still be slavery.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:The British were only offering amnesty to volunteers. If the Loyalists won there would still be slavery. i guess although the brits abolished slavery in 1833 so still marginally better probably 
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:The British were only offering amnesty to volunteers. If the Loyalists won there would still be slavery. Probably not for as long, though, as the crown didn't tolerate obstreperous slaveholders and had already abolished slavery in England itself. If the Loyalists had won, they'd have at least lost their slaves when Parliament passed the Abolition Act of 1833.
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Captain_Maclaine posted:Probably not for as long, though, as the crown didn't tolerate obstreperous slaveholders and had already abolished slavery in England itself. If the Loyalists had won, they'd have at least lost their slaves when Parliament passed the Abolition Act of 1833. I actually wonder if the British could even afford to buy out American slavers on top of Caribbean slaveholders.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:I actually wonder if the British could even afford to buy out American slavers on top of Caribbean slaveholders. If they'd had to put down one American rebellion already, I suspect they'd be a lot less conciliatory with even Loyalists. Prob. more of "Hey guess what, slavery's illegal now! Kindly refer all questions to the nice redcoated men with guns who by complete coincidence started garrisoning your cities and towns last week."
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Captain_Maclaine posted:If they'd had to put down one American rebellion already, I suspect they'd be a lot less conciliatory with even Loyalists. Prob. more of "Hey guess what, slavery's illegal now! Kindly refer all questions to the nice redcoated men with guns who by complete coincidence started garrisoning your cities and towns last week." I doubt they'd actually think that far ahead. If it came to being such a massive financial burden they never would've bothered abolishing slavery, until it came to a violent head. Maybe the French Revolution could've even spread to Britain tho.
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Oh lol pretending the British Empire was progressive in the eighteenth century.
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Crowsbeak posted:Oh lol pretending the British Empire was progressive in the eighteenth century. Baudolino posted:Cultural understanding, trade and smashing patriarchal tradition: The secret Progressive History of the British Empire.
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Journalist: Would you go back in time and kill baby George Washington? Loyalist Jeb!: Hell yeah
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Captain_Maclaine posted:Probably not for as long, though, as the crown didn't tolerate obstreperous slaveholders and had already abolished slavery in England itself. If the Loyalists had won, they'd have at least lost their slaves when Parliament passed the Abolition Act of 1833. Triggering another war of secession.
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how do i sign up for a war of suck sessions
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Tacky-rear end Rococco posted:Triggering another war of secession. *extremely turtledove voice* the North plus the UK would have loving crushed the south in 1833. as underdeveloped as the south was in 1861 it had undergone rapid modernization, especially in virginia, including railroads. the south without railroads (and texas) would have had to instantly regress into guerrilla defensive warfare
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Crowsbeak posted:Oh lol pretending the British Empire was progressive in the eighteenth century. I always had the understanding that they could get people from india to move in and work their plantations for cheap and none of their geopolitical rivals could, and that was a good chunk of the motivation behind fighting the slave trade.
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Aliquid posted:*extremely turtledove voice* the North plus the UK would have loving crushed the south in 1833. as underdeveloped as the south was in 1861 it had undergone rapid modernization, especially in virginia, including railroads. the south without railroads (and texas) would have had to instantly regress into guerrilla defensive warfare In 1833 the North would have joined the South in rebellion because their financial interests were completely intertwined.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:In 1833 the North would have joined the South in rebellion because their financial interests were completely intertwined. don't get too complicated there in that instance new england would have revolted
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this is p weak for pwint
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england is widely despised by the english
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logikv9 posted:england is widely despised by
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