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DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

¡Hola SEA!


BWV posted:

WHAT?!?

also it's loving bullshit that the Professor and Hot Sauce are the only And1 legends to have their own wiki

Skip to my Lou has a fucken wiki you scrub

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BWV
Feb 24, 2005


DeimosRising posted:

Skip to my Lou has a fucken wiki you scrub

yea but i mean he doesn't really count against my sadness because his nba career ended up being pretty legit (plus he wasn't hyperlinked in the main And1 wiki so...)

Rick
Feb 23, 2004
When I was 17, my father was so stupid, I didn't want to be seen with him in public. When I was 24, I was amazed at how much the old man had learned in just 7 years.

Dejan Bimble posted:

I don't know if you and I are prematurely soured on him by watching him be dismantled by NBA caliber athletes.

I'm trying to think of him in a positive light and not as like a thick pg Corey Brewer but with really great transition passing instead of running to catch lobs in transition. So like a thicker Ronnie Brewer? I know that's not fair but god drat it's not to imagine him failing hard.

Let's check the boxes supposedly in his favor
1. Height at pg- This allowed him to shoot over smaller players with his ear catapult shot in college. Removing the height from that shot will make it easier for longer faster small guys in the NBA to guard him.
2. Passing- his passes in transition are lovely but in the half court it's like he just doesn't know what to do, and defenses aren't afraid of him getting to the rim because of his poor handle, when he does get to the rim he does a few shuffle dribbles and passes out.
3.Three point shooting - issues we've already touched on
4. Defensive Potential - Until he does it I won't believe it, he's also not that agile so his defense against small squirty pgs might not be as good as people expect

Weaknesses
1. Ball handling, he's not special with the ball when he isnt running the break
2. hosed up shot mechanics, though he makes them, so we can call that a yellow flag, for now
3. Lack of PNR creation, he just hasn't done much of it and so he seems kind of stumped once things slow down
4. Defense - Not very good
5. Athleticism/quickness - Average for an NBA prospect, gets very little elevation off of either one or two feet

I think his best Case is to tighten his defense and learn a floater and be a bigger Rubio esque player. But that would mean a ton of development on d and in the half court.

Worst/expected case, He's Ronnie Brewer with less athleticism and more passing.

I'd be happy to be proven wrong, but man I would not draft him, gently caress no

I definitely think there's some positive about him (although PG Corey Brewer is a wonderful descriptor), mostly the points you've made. Like in my mind though he more potentially becomes a Kyle Korver style player than anything else.

Lockback posted:

I think he has a wide range too, but I also think if his dad wasn't his dad people around here would like him a lot more and that's not fair to Lonzo as a prospect.

You have by your own admission never watched him play. So why are you so convinced that there must be some other reason for the questions who people who have seen him play have?

Rick fucked around with this message at 05:29 on Jun 4, 2017

Lockback
Sep 3, 2006

All days are nights to see till I see thee; and nights bright days when dreams do show me thee.
Cuz this is a thread on somethingawful and I didn't realize there were gate keeping rules in place for having opinions? Can you post them in detail to avoid this situation in the future?

If you don't think peoples opinions on his dad affects opinions on his basketball skill I am not sure what to tell you.

Dejan Bimble
Mar 24, 2008

we're all black friends
Plaster Town Cop

Lockback posted:

Cuz this is a thread on somethingawful and I didn't realize there were gate keeping rules in place for having opinions? Can you post them in detail to avoid this situation in the future?

If you don't think peoples opinions on his dad affects opinions on his basketball skill I am not sure what to tell you.

Rick and I are the people who are most anti-Ball here, and I think both of us just think his dad is funny. I think he's doing the sleight of hand trick of waving and catching your attention while removing your watch and putting the marked card in your butt pocket. His sho'nuff master of harlem character has stopped deeper analysis of ELITE PROSPECT Lonzo Ball, which is good, because he has about 5 red flags as a player. Maybe George Karl will rejoin the NBA in 3 years and let Lonzo just run every time and we'll be wrong. I'd love to be wrong, I want more players who are good in the NBA. I'm just saying what I see.

Josh Jackson's shooting is scary, and there's not a great track record for freshmen wings in the high lottery. But he improved, and if he's playing pf I think the game will come much easier to him. There are a lot of ways he should be able to contribute even if he's only a barely okay shooter, with Lonzo, it's much more difficult to say that.

Rick posted:

I definitely think there's some positive about him (although PG Corey Brewer is a wonderful descriptor), mostly the points you've made. Like in my mind though he more potentially becomes a Kyle Korver style player than anything else.


You have by your own admission never watched him play. So why are you so convinced that there must be some other reason for the questions who people who have seen him play have?
Kittles/Korver comparisons are making me see what you see. His shot holds up, then he becomes someone whose job is to get the ball and pretend to survey the defense before shooting a three off the dribble. Maybe he plays next to a real pg or a combo guard who handles most of the half court offense

That would be a reason to not take the suicide pill as a Laker or Sixers fan, if he's the choice.

Dejan Bimble fucked around with this message at 06:06 on Jun 4, 2017

Ghost Dog
Aug 17, 2016

Lockback posted:

Cuz this is a thread on somethingawful and I didn't realize there were gate keeping rules in place for having opinions? Can you post them in detail to avoid this situation in the future?

If you don't think peoples opinions on his dad affects opinions on his basketball skill I am not sure what to tell you.

if you havent seen him play, doesnt that make you the thing you are crying about

Ghost Dog
Aug 17, 2016

not that you should see him play, college basketball is an awful, awful, awful sport

AggressivelyStupid
Jan 9, 2012

Balls dad isn't funny anymore actually

EvanTH
Apr 24, 2004

i like to express my inner pain by being really boring on the phone
or just when i'm kickin it
that's me though
i'm kind of oddddddd
sucks that it's the offseason already

Cool Buff Man
Jul 30, 2006

bitch

WhyteRyce posted:

His final stats would look earlier similar to his time in Sacramento if he would have just cut out 1 of those terrible off-balance attempts he took a game.

Lockback owes Sacramento an apology :colbert:

Are you saying he was good or bad cuz his stats looked terrible in Sacramento

"earlier similar" is throwing me off

Cool Buff Man fucked around with this message at 08:12 on Jun 4, 2017

IcePhoenix
Sep 18, 2005

Take me to your Shida

EvanTH posted:

sucks that it's the offseason already

Three fuckin days between games at the same site it may as well be

Pozload Escobar
Aug 21, 2016

by Reene

IcePhoenix posted:

Three fuckin days between games at the same site it may as well be

Yeah this is pretty bullshit and it's obvious the NBA and the NHL are colluding to avoid tv overlap

loving butt holes, I wanna go to the bar and watch both on one tab.

Nick Rivers
Nov 23, 2004
I can't wait for 2024 Olympic Slamball to be added

Femur
Jan 10, 2004
I REALLY NEED TO SHUT THE FUCK UP

A Buff Gay Dude posted:

Yeah this is pretty bullshit and it's obvious the NBA and the NHL are colluding to avoid tv overlap

loving butt holes, I wanna go to the bar and watch both on one tab.

It's the NBA throwing old rear end Lebron a lifeline.

Michael Corleone
Mar 30, 2011

by VideoGames
The Finals are scheduled to go 2 weeks and 3 days. You could really only shave 2 days off by going to 1 day off btwn games 1-2 and 3-4.

boop the snoot
Jun 3, 2016
When did they start announcing the MVP so late

Bigass Moth
Mar 6, 2004

I joined the #RXT REVOLUTION.
:boom:
he knows...
They're still trying to figure out how to rig it for Shumpert.

Dejan Bimble
Mar 24, 2008

we're all black friends
Plaster Town Cop
Three on three basketball would be nice to watch, the court is so crowded with long armed giants, you could bring back the wheel offense and other basketball relics. You could play the ultimate triangle offense.

TBeats posted:

When did they start announcing the MVP so late

They want to monopolize sports media for the entire month of June and then not lose out to the NFL during the moratorium week in the first week of July. This way people can say CHampion team bad, Champion team good, in the week before the awards, then MVP Bad, no MVP good, no MVP bad and good, during that empty week, instead of talking about which NFL players Looked Great in OTAs. Then, they get to keep the first week of free agency to themselves and finally cede everything to the NFL and Baseball by the middle of July.

Dejan Bimble fucked around with this message at 13:54 on Jun 4, 2017

Lockback
Sep 3, 2006

All days are nights to see till I see thee; and nights bright days when dreams do show me thee.

Ghost Dog posted:

if you havent seen him play, doesnt that make you the thing you are crying about

My outlandish opinion is the guy who is #2 on most scouts list and hit a bunch of 3s at 41% while showing NBA range still has a pretty high ceiling (while agreeing his floor isn't great) and that people complain about his dad a lot. That's it, that's all my opinion was.

The fact that I am getting so much kneejerk vitriol for that is weird.

boop the snoot
Jun 3, 2016

Lockback posted:


The fact that I am getting so much kneejerk vitriol for that is weird.

Did you just join the forums

Ghost Dog
Aug 17, 2016

Lockback posted:

My outlandish opinion is the guy who is #2 on most scouts list and hit a bunch of 3s at 41% while showing NBA range still has a pretty high ceiling (while agreeing his floor isn't great) and that people complain about his dad a lot. That's it, that's all my opinion was.

The fact that I am getting so much kneejerk vitriol for that is weird.

i think the vitriol is probably from setting yourself up as the arbiter of truth while not having you know, any information at all not even a little bit

boop the snoot
Jun 3, 2016
Warriors go up 3-0. Kerr comes back. Warriors lose 4-3.

That's my dream scenario for this finals.

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

Hello? Can you hear me? ...Perhaps if I shout? AAAAAAAAAH!
Lebron retiring means 10 more years of Celtics, which is not bad because the East never has room for more than one okay team

Libertine
Jun 21, 2004

When I die, I hope they say I made the eSports industry a better place than I made millions of dollars.
I strongly dislike Ball but with his size, athleticism, and college skill/stats I have a hard time comping him to anything less than an incredibly skilled guard prospect who would be a slam dunk top 3 pick in almost any draft year.

Corey Brewer comparison seems ludicrous to me.

As much as I want to see the schadenfreude of the Lakers dealing him to a small market team or passing on him, they would be actually insane to not draft him if Fultz goes 1.

Truther Vandross
Jun 17, 2008

This thread is making me wish the old ESPN street ball show was on Netflix

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

¡Hola SEA!


Corey Brewer went 7th overall in what was considered a very good draft. Only 9 lottery picks still in the league 10 years later, three all stars and possible hall of camera taken above him, one guy who only busted on injuries, a productive but mediocre guy, and the Chairman. It's easy to imagine a worse career for ball than Brewer and I'm not sure he wouldn't have been ~pick 7 that year either.

Cool Buff Man
Jul 30, 2006

bitch

DeimosRising posted:

Corey Brewer went 7th overall in what was considered a very good draft. Only 9 lottery picks still in the league 10 years later, three all stars and possible hall of camera taken above him, one guy who only busted on injuries, a productive but mediocre guy, and the Chairman. It's easy to imagine a worse career for ball than Brewer and I'm not sure he wouldn't have been ~pick 7 that year either.

If Ball sucks as bad as Corey Brewer has for his entire career he will be viewed a gigantic bust so I hope for his sake he figures it out. Corey Brewer's career is not something to aspire to unless you consider hanging on for years past your expiration date as an ideal.

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

¡Hola SEA!


Cool Buff Man posted:

If Ball sucks as bad as Corey Brewer has his entire career he will be viewed a gigantic bust. Corey Brewer's career is not something to aspire to.

True but you can think of probably 10 guys who have been worse picked in the top 5 in the last 10 years off the top of your head, guarantee. He's in the league 10 years later, unlike two guys taken above him. The odds are very high that several of the guys we are all excited about in this draft, who look like great top 10 prospects, will have worse careers than Corey Brewer.

Where do you think ball would have gone in 2007?

Cool Buff Man
Jul 30, 2006

bitch

DeimosRising posted:

True but you can think of probably 10 guys who have been worse picked in the top 5 in the last 10 years off the top of your head, guarantee. He's in the league 10 years later, unlike two guys taken above him. The odds are very high that several of the guys we are all excited about in this draft, who look like great top 10 prospects, will have worse careers than Corey Brewer.

Where do you think ball would have gone in 2007?

Oh I agree with you there, Brewer has hung on much longer than could have been expected (much to chunkles' chagrin.) Sucks for those guys drafted above him. I haven't watched Ball play much so I will hold off on actually crucifying his game or predicting where he would go in 2007, I'm just saying it's scary if the #2 pick in the draft is drawing realistic in-game parallels to Corey Brewer. You do not want your #2 pick becoming Corey Brewer.

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

Hello? Can you hear me? ...Perhaps if I shout? AAAAAAAAAH!
Are corey brewer comparisons being made because he's going to a team with corey brewer

Cool Buff Man
Jul 30, 2006

bitch

Tae posted:

Are corey brewer comparisons being made because he's going to a team with corey brewer

Haha. Corey Brewer will personally make sure Lonzo Ball turns into Corey Brewer

Jota
May 6, 2003

uga-booga uga-booga

R.D. Mangles posted:

I demand Olympic Dunk King

If Guy Dupuy won Olympic Gold I would dedicate my life to blowing up Earth

Spring Break My Heart
Feb 15, 2012
Brewer was supposed to be a defensive specialist coming out of Florida

Time
Aug 1, 2011

It Was All A Dream
Josh smith and Corey brewer led the most improbable playoff 3 bombing of all time and they are forever heroes for it

roundmidnight
Jul 9, 2010
I forgot until now that Harry Giles measured a 27-inch vertical at the combine.

Dark.

Panzeh
Nov 27, 2006

"..The high ground"

Time posted:

Josh smith and Corey brewer led the most improbable playoff 3 bombing of all time and they are forever heroes for it

I agree with this and it was a glorious making GBS threads on the clippers.

Redgrendel2001
Sep 1, 2006

you literally think a person saying their NBA team of choice being better than the fucking 76ers is a 'schtick'

a literal thing you think.

https://twitter.com/basketballtalk/status/871416779783806977

milk milk lemonade
Jul 29, 2016
Derek Fisher is a real piece of poo poo

Truther Vandross
Jun 17, 2008

Derek Fisher can't afford an uber because he's not a Big Baller

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Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010



tried to fully understand the triangle and was driven mad

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