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"Let's salary dump this incredibly cheap player" loving what Like of all the ridiculous things I have ever seen, that is probably the stupidest
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euphronius posted:??? What did he do to you ? He contributed greatly to the dysfunction of NCSU and had a really bad attitude. Ask NC State fans who wanted to believe. quote:N.C. State's offense didn't look very smooth with him at the helm, as he can be a bit predictable at times with his approach, not always being a willing passer, and killing his dribble unnecessarily too frequently, leading to careless turnovers. While the lack of coaching and poorly-suited roster around him were definitely mitigating factors to consider, there's no doubt that Smith played a major role in his team's inability to win games and overall dysfunction. See I read this and I'm thinking if you draft this guy over Josh Jackson who who will set his own grandmother on fire to win you might be missing out in the long run. The last thing the Sixers need is something to poison the chemistry.
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kiimo posted:He contributed greatly to the dysfunction of NCSU and had a really bad attitude. Ask NC State fans who wanted to believe. Wow he's perfect for the Knicks I cant wait lol
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kiimo posted:Josh Jackson is shorter, lighter and has a significantly smaller wingspan than Caleb Swanigan. Hah, I mean, obviously he's not a lottery pick, I'm just pushing back a bit on some of the knocks against him. I bet his conditioning goes the K Love/Marc Gasol route not the Traylor/Reeves/Sweeney/Ostertag route. Why do I think this? No reason whatsoever except I'm in a good mood and I like to hope for the best for our young basketball boys
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kiimo posted:He contributed greatly to the dysfunction of NCSU and had a really bad attitude. Ask NC State fans who wanted to believe. Nothing in there was a red flag to me . Seemed like a normal reaction to being on a poo poo team and stuck playing college ball in an asinine system. I can see how others would red flag him for that tho.
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I'm a huge homer for JJ so take everything I say with the great salt lake
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EvanTH posted:Doesn't Swanigan have like a 7'3" wingspan to compensate for being 6'10"? Heavy dude with long arms is occasionally the best kinda rebounder. He's not 6'10", he's like 6'7". He'll be able to rebound but I don't think his offense holds up and he's going to be an absolute disaster on defense MourningView fucked around with this message at 17:19 on Jun 3, 2017 |
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MourningView posted:He's not 6'10", he's like 6'7". Where can I find reputable height listings? DX I'm seeing his height as 6'9" or 6"10' and his standing reach as 9'0" which isn't too bad
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If it says they were combine measurements, they're about as accurate as you're going to get. Any other source be skeptical of. Like Lavar Ball is claiming Lonzo is 6'7" now even though he was 6'5" last time anyone measured him.
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In other Lonzo news, we don't know anything about their current front office, including if they are leaky or not (you used to be able to say every "source" in the Lakers was bullshit if it wasn't something Jeanie Buss would know about), but this dude is saying they're passing on Ball: https://twitter.com/Schultz_Report/status/871111030918848513 The Lakers are having my late-first-early-second Dream Team workout on Monday, taking a look at Juwan Evans, Josh Hart and Monte Morris (and some other dues I haven't heard of).
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MourningView posted:He's not 6'10", he's like 6'7". I think youre right. What I see is a short power forward who moves in slow motion, whose game is Michael Jordan post ups and fadeaways, a few hooks, and who knows if he'll be able to get his shots off over 6'10 guys who are more agile and can jump much higher. A lot of his rebounds were Russell Westbrook/Lance Stephenson free rebounds that his teammates could have caught instead. Drafting him would be gambling that his game would work against NBA length and agility and that you'd have a roster where a 4 who was awful on defense isn't too much of a problem. Zach Collins is going to be drafted in the top 10 because he hit a total of 10 out of a sample of 21 total threes in one year. There's no mystery about Swanigan and so he'll go where he'll go Dejan Bimble fucked around with this message at 23:22 on Jun 3, 2017 |
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https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/871112566801522688 uh, yes please.
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That athleticism is impressive but man his footwork is awful.
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Rick posted:That athleticism is impressive but man his footwork is awful. Should have played soccer as a kid.
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I've not seen him play. But Dennis Smith sounds like one of those guys who works out really poorly for his draft team, gets a bit of maturity, and proceeds to crush it for some team that takes a flier on him.
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I feel like the maturity thing is super overblown for him and if he didn't play in such a stuffy conference no one would've even noticed. Like it's pretty common for most first round prospects to start dialing up their number on a team that's losing.
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I don't watch a ton of college basketball but why is Ball ahead of Fox on almost every mock draft. I know it's one game but Fox absolutely clowned him and looked like a much better player when they went head to head.
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morestuff posted:I'd actually be pretty happy with Collins, maybe even over Lauri, but if they draft a white dude way too early it's definitely going to be Kennard DX is mocking Kennard to the Hornets in their latest update so it's time to start ignoring draft news out of self-preservation
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Dejan Bimble posted:I think youre right. What I see is a short power forward who moves in slow motion, whose game is Michael Jordan post ups and fadeaways, a few hooks, and who knows if he'll be able to get his shots off over 6'10 guys who are more agile and can jump much higher. A lot of his rebounds were Russell Westbrook/Lance Stephenson free rebounds that his teammates could have caught instead. Drafting him would be gambling that his game would work against NBA length and agility and that you'd have a roster where a 4 who was awful on defense isn't too much of a problem. what stuck out for me with Swanigan was .781 (164/210) from the line and 44.7% (38/85) from college three. It makes me think a team can get some good use out of him without trying to make him post up. FT% was supposed to project real well into NBA shooting, yeah? Also steals? Steals leaders among the draft class goes like, Dennis Smith, Lonzo Ball, PJ Dozier then Josh Jackson Swanigan's definitely closer to 6'8" than 6'9" tho', found some better numbers on that
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El Gallinero Gros posted:I've not seen him play. But Dennis Smith sounds like one of those guys who works out really poorly for his draft team, gets a bit of maturity, and proceeds to crush it for some team that takes a flier on him. he's coming to the Knicks and nobody can stop us
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EvanTH posted:he's coming to the Knicks and nobody can stop us signing as a rook with the knicks is a death sentence
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Niwrad posted:I don't watch a ton of college basketball but why is Ball ahead of Fox on almost every mock draft. I know it's one game but Fox absolutely clowned him and looked like a much better player when they went head to head. Because that's how high he was ranked before the season and the hype train stayed on the rails, basically. If the Lakers don't take him I kind of expect him to fall a significant amount of spots (though Vivek could stop it).
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morestuff posted:Fox can't shoot [Extremely weird posing style] BaLl's ShOT IsNT'T IDeAL
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The latest DX mock has the Kings getting Tatum and DSJ. No loving way Vivek and co. fall into something that prosperous.
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Deadbeat Dad posted:The latest DX mock has the Kings getting Tatum and DSJ. No loving way Vivek and co. fall into something that prosperous. DSJ isn't lasting to 10 The more I think about it I definitely want the Sixers to either take Jackson or trade out of the pick to someone that wants Jackson
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IcePhoenix posted:Because that's how high he was ranked before the season and the hype train stayed on the rails, basically. He was always above Fox but he wasn't Top 2 at the start of the season. He rose quite a bit by playing really really well during the regular season. Here's a BR article about Ford's first mock draft and he had him going 7th behind guys like Josh Jackson, Dennis Smith Jr., Issac, and the French dude https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2659396.amp.html
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TheShazbot posted:signing as a rook with the knicks is a death sentence Hail Kristaps, God Of Death
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Niwrad posted:I don't watch a ton of college basketball but why is Ball ahead of Fox on almost every mock draft. I know it's one game but Fox absolutely clowned him and looked like a much better player when they went head to head. Ball's tall and looks very good on the fast break and can hit open jumpers. He's actually a good prospect, dad aside. He won't tumble far past the Lakers if they pass on him Rick posted:That athleticism is impressive but man his footwork is awful. I assume whoever's drafting him will probably have him focus on face-up stuff and drives. Post-ups and isos din't really fit in with high pace offenses so unless the Spurs or Jazz try to grab him I doubt it'll be a huge issue
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I think Jonathan Isaac is gonna be good once he shatters his hands and uses the breaks to stretch them to massive size
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Is Kennard at least hideable on defense or is there a good chance he's unplayable
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morestuff posted:Is Kennard at least hideable on defense or is there a good chance he's unplayable He tries really hard, which is usually enough to make a player hideable.
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EvanTH posted:what stuck out for me with Swanigan was .781 (164/210) from the line and 44.7% (38/85) from college three. It makes me think a team can get some good use out of him without trying to make him post up. The 3 point percentage was a huge jump from his freshman year (29.2% 21-72) so that raises a flag. He also turns the ball over a ton (21.6% per 100 possessions) and Kansas absolutely exploited him on defense. He does not deal with quickness well at all. I understand the work ethic concerns considering what he weighed just a few years ago, but I think he has legit turned his life around. He lost the weight, improved his shooting and was academic all American this year, he was in just such an unbelievably lovely situation before.
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morestuff posted:Is Kennard at least hideable on defense or is there a good chance he's unplayable I went through this exact phase when everyone was mocking him to OKC @ 21 a month ago. I would say it gets better, but.
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Hah how'd I get stuck defending Swanigan so hard? I'm not even that high on him, but... http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/caleb-swanigan-1.html Yes, a jump (or a decline for that matter) in 3p shooting is sometimes suspect because the sample sizes are generally small, but the corresponding improvement in FT shooting makes it look like yes he can actually shoot pretty good TOV% is, um, sorry for this it's going to be super nitpicky and several separate things: -TOV% of 21.6 was his freshman season, it dropped to 18.5 this season despite an increased role (this is good) -TOV% is already per 100, so you don't really get TOV% per 100. Formula is: 100 * TOV / (FGA + 0.44 * FTA + TOV) (FGA + .44 * FTA) is roughly "how many shots did you take" (.44 * FTA is the assumption that slightly less than half of your freethrows result from FGAs. It's putting back in the missed shots that didn't count as missed shots because they resulted in free throws) so TOV% is basically looking at the ratio of Turnovers : Possessions The Player Ended Themselves (via shot attempt or turnover) so it's not exactly a metric of general ball security or anything. A very high TOV% in the NBA is usually indicative of folks who pass much more than they shoot. List of this NBA season's highest TOV%s was like, Rondo, Rubio, Harden, Draymond Green and a bunch of bad PGs. -Last season he turned the ball over about 5.9 times per 100, which isn't great, but it's not disgusting considering he was handling a bunch of the offensive load and he wasn't a bad passer for a big man. probably not being able to deal with NBA quickness is a big problem and one I agree with which is why I'm finding it so strange to be defending the guy WHAT AM I DOING
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The players with the biggest hands in the draft, Harry Giles and Moritz Wagner, are both half an inch narrower than Kawhi Leonard. Giles is 6'10 in shoes, Wagner is 6'11.25, Kawhi is 6'7. Giannis's hands are 12 inches x 12 inches apparently, at 6'10-6'11 Jordan's hands were 11.375 at 6'5 However, hand size isn't everything, as Noah Vonleh's are 11.75 inches wide and he's awful Lebron's hands are a pedestrian 9.5 inches You don't have to be a disgusting genetic freakazoid to work here... BUT IT HELPS 
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Dejan Bimble posted:The players with the biggest hands in the draft, Harry Giles and Moritz Wagner, are both half an inch narrower than Kawhi Leonard. Giles is 6'10 in shoes, Wagner is 6'11.25, Kawhi is 6'7. At least Noah Vonleh is the subject of the coolest photo of all time You know the one, where he looks like a panther springing into action
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