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We all have different lists! Old MST3K episodes I love are Swamp Diamonds, The Giant Gila Monster, and Pod People. I thought this season's best episode was The Beast of Hollow Mountain, but that seems to be down at the bottom of most lists. You guys are just bad at joke-hearing. I just finished the season last night, after trying to pace myself to just one episode a week. I thought everything about the new season was just fantastic. The new take on the theme song is a bit more energetic. The new cold open bits are a great way to throw in some non-sequitur but are grounded because you know at the end Jonah is going to get sucked up to do the intro, so it adds a bit of anticipation. Even the "station breaks" that break the show up like it is on TV are a perfect time to pause to go get another drink. I'm not sure I'll ever get tired of just beating Ardy to saying "Mooovie in the hole!" The riff pacing can be a little fast at times but not every line is a hit, so the timing doesn't bother me a bit. The whole show just feels very well put together and I am happy to have paid to bring it back. You're welcome, everyone! I haven't been a fan of the dynamic the mads have had since the Forester and TV's Frank, and the same goes for Kinga and Max. I like the actors, and I don't dislike their scenes, but it is my least favorite part of the show. I think maybe they're both "keyed up" in their performances and there's not enough contrast? Especially because now Jonah has a higher energy level so it isn't dynamic enough as a group. It's just the first season though, and I hope they get a little more time next season to ramp into being the mads instead of trying to evolve and perfect their characters in just two days of shooting.
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CapnBry posted:I think maybe they're both "keyed up" in their performances and there's not enough contrast? I think they're all trying way too hard. I still have the last ep to watch, but I haven't been all that impressed with the new season. With the original series, the changes made in the cast and sets were a lot more subtle. This season was a big jolt to the system. They're all a little too self-aware.
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Jun 3, 2017 20:24
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CapnBry posted:Even the "station breaks" that break the show up like it is on TV are a perfect time to pause to go get another drink. Pardon my ignorance since I didn't follow the Kickstarter at all, but does anyone know if this was done with the hopes of having a TV network pick up the show either at first or in the future? Or is it just a nod to the original format of the show? Either way it is kind of necessary to break up the movie a little.
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Jun 3, 2017 21:24
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I'm looking at my emails now from the Kickstarter. It was announced on 8/01/16 that they were picked up by Netflix. The email makes it sound like they thought of Network TV, but weren't sure it would work now due to the length of the show and advertisers.quote:Why Netflix?
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Jun 3, 2017 21:38
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dirksteadfast posted:Pardon my ignorance since I didn't follow the Kickstarter at all, but does anyone know if this was done with the hopes of having a TV network pick up the show either at first or in the future? Or is it just a nod to the original format of the show? Either way it is kind of necessary to break up the movie a little. If memory serves, Joel has said they were added for aesthetic reasons (to keep the season in line with the old ones structurally and to have one more non-movie component to have fun with) and to offer people a break.
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Jun 3, 2017 23:54
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I found them jarring at first, but after a while they kind of grew on me. One thing I hope they return to in Season 2 is alternating between movie and commercial sign for host segments. It's hard to say for certain, but I felt like opening and closing them with the tunnel sequences may have affected the pacing a little.
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Jun 4, 2017 00:57
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I have way too much love for The Girl in Gold Boots. It was nice to see a sci-fi channel era episode that wasn't a sci fi movie. The fact that it was so poorly made is just a bonus. "There goes-" "You can say that a-!"
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Jun 4, 2017 05:14
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Everybody do the wounded turkey!
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Jun 4, 2017 13:57
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SolarFire2 posted:I have way too much love for The Girl in Gold Boots. It was nice to see a sci-fi channel era episode that wasn't a sci fi movie. The fact that it was so poorly made is just a bonus. "I'm Back!"
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Jun 4, 2017 14:26
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Tried to like the new MST3k but its just so bad. I rewatched a few old episodes to remind myself how it was too.
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Jun 4, 2017 15:44
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I watched the new MST3K and realised its new and loved it. Loved old mst3k. I guess we need to tell people
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Jun 4, 2017 15:51
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Pop songs count as rifts now? Maybe they will run out in a few seasons.
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Jun 4, 2017 15:52
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Senior Woodchuck posted:Everybody do the wounded turkey! Honey! Way to play the harmonica with your rear end!
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Jun 4, 2017 15:53
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Tenzarin posted:Tried to like the new MST3k but its just so bad. I rewatched a few old episodes to remind myself how it was too. What exactly is bad about it? What didn't you enjoy?
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Tenzarin posted:Pop songs count as rifts now? Maybe they will run out in a few seasons. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTsbcZpH2VI
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Jun 4, 2017 15:57
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I've been watching a lot of the old and new and the content of the riffs doesn't seem different to me, except that obviously the references are more up to date. I still feel like the delivery is a bit rushed sometimes, but that's a tiny nitpick. And I've seen people make the same argument that the Mike era was too rapidfire.
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Jun 4, 2017 16:04
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Burkion posted:What exactly is bad about it? What didn't you enjoy? Pop songs and the acts they did like pushing up the rocket, are prob the things I disliked the most.
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Jun 4, 2017 16:05
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Tenzarin posted:Pop songs and the acts they did like pushing up the rocket, are prob the things I disliked the most. I'm not sure what you're talking about with "pushing up the rocket"
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Jun 4, 2017 16:47
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Breadallelogram posted:I'm not sure what you're talking about with "pushing up the rocket" Pretty sure this is re: Tom Servo's silhouette flying up to interact with the movie.
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Jun 4, 2017 16:51
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Breadallelogram posted:I'm not sure what you're talking about with "pushing up the rocket" They're referring to the gag in The Time Travelers where Servo floats in front of the screen and acts like he's pushing up the rocket when it's being raised.
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Jun 4, 2017 16:52
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Breadallelogram posted:I'm not sure what you're talking about with "pushing up the rocket" The forced perspective/interactive stuff, specifically in the Time Travelers. Like when they had Giant Tom Servo in that one Mike episode.
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Jun 4, 2017 16:52
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Which is stuff that was present since around season 1. Sight gags were a particular favorite of Joel. And using contemporary pop songs as jokes has always been a mainstay. Or do we need to talk about THE OWNER OF A LONELY HEART again? Also you know https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4611CDqlBs That happened If this happened again, you'd bitch about them ripping off old memes
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Jun 4, 2017 16:53
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The flying Tom gags feel overworked, and the singing is way less funny when they all sing at the same time.
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Jun 4, 2017 16:57
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Sure they used to sing songs, but not in every episode. Watch the new episodes, everyone has some pop song as a rift. The only good thing is they will run out of songs at one point and have to start doing the improv songs about the movies what were way better. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mK2jFO_DaRQ
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Jun 4, 2017 17:01
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Tenzarin posted:Sure they used to sing songs, but not in every episode. Watch the new episodes, everyone has some pop song as a rift. The only good thing is they will run out of songs at one point and have to start doing the improv songs about the movies what were way better. like in starcrash when they came up with a song about the UFO in the theater?
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Jun 4, 2017 17:18
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The riffs being separately recorded and stitched together really hurts the new season.
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Jun 4, 2017 17:21
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I don't think pop songs "run out". They definitely do a few improv songs if that's what you're looking for.
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Jun 4, 2017 17:22
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Magic Hate Ball posted:The riffs being separately recorded and stitched together really hurts the new season. Everything about the new season is rushed and half-assed and it shows.
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Jun 4, 2017 17:55
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Pretty weak backlash itt
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Jun 4, 2017 17:57
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Jose Oquendo posted:Everything about the new season is rushed and half-assed and it shows. Rushed is correct; almost all of the common criticisms I've seen are directly related to the fact that the entire season had to be shot in two weeks. "Half-assed" is pretty disingenuous, though; the same as complaints of "trying too hard". Both are empty criticisms that boil down to "I don't like it."
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This season is reminiscent of MST3k Season 2 in my view. That's the season where they were starting to really find their footing. It also had plenty of dud riffs and bad sketches, too. Along with stuff like Kevin-as-Servo laughing at the end of nearly every riff or joke no matter what. So in that regard, it's kind of unfair to expect this season (with several performers and writers who'd never done the whole movie-riffing thing before) to be on par with Season 4 or 5 or 8 or whatever in terms of quality. Also I think they should be cut a little slack given that the bulk of the new season was recorded in less than a month, too. In the old days they could basically spend a week per episode. They didn't have the luxury of time to do that in this case.
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Jun 4, 2017 18:17
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Paper Kaiju posted:"Half-assed" is pretty disingenuous, though; the same as complaints of "trying too hard". 
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Paper Kaiju posted:"Half-assed" is pretty disingenuous, though; the same as complaints of "trying too hard". Both are empty criticisms that boil down to "I don't like it." Actually, I liked it, but it's not on the same level as the original. And they were all trying too hard. Mister Kingdom fucked around with this message at 22:47 on Jun 4, 2017 |
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Jun 4, 2017 18:45
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Did this thread need trolls? I'm excited for the mystery movie live
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They're both things said by people trying to identify an objective reason for their dislikes, but who lack enough understanding of what their criticizing to offer anything useful. They're plenty of things to criticize the new season about, but I keep seeing people say 'half-assed' and 'too hard' and stopping there, as if they actually meant something, and it bugs that crap out of me. Mister Kingdom posted:Actually, I liked, but it's not on the same level as the original. I never even insinuated that it was, and I'm not sure what this response has to do with my complaint of lazy criticism.
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Paper Kaiju posted:They're both things said by people trying to identify an objective reason for their dislikes, but who lack enough understanding of what their criticizing to offer anything useful. They're plenty of things to criticize the new season about, but I keep seeing people say 'half-assed' and 'too hard' and stopping there, as if they actually meant something, and it bugs that crap out of me. Sorry that we are not criticizing the show to a detail fine enough for you. It's just a show, you should really just relax.
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Sydney Bottocks posted:Also I think they should be cut a little slack given that the bulk of the new season was recorded in less than a month, too. In the old days they could basically spend a week per episode. They didn't have the luxury of time to do that in this case. Maybe they shouldn't have done this new season then? It's pretty lovely to take in all that money and then rush out a mediocre product because of time constraints. Do it right or don't do it at all.
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Jun 4, 2017 23:03
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Jose Oquendo posted:Maybe they shouldn't have done this new season then? It's pretty lovely to take in all that money and then rush out a mediocre product because of time constraints. Do it right or don't do it at all. Oh man the entertainment industry oh man. You do the best you can with what you can
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Jun 4, 2017 23:12
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Yo where's the renewal, Netflix?
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Junkie Disease posted:Oh man the entertainment industry oh man. I really wonder if they had to pay to license all the pop songs they sang. Does having a car on the screen warrant fair use of lowrider?
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