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Labour | 907 | 49.92% | |
Theresa May Team (Conservative) | 48 | 2.64% | |
Liberal Democrats | 31 | 1.71% | |
UKIP | 13 | 0.72% | |
Plaid Cymru | 25 | 1.38% | |
Green | 22 | 1.21% | |
Scottish Socialist Party | 12 | 0.66% | |
Scottish Conservative Party | 1 | 0.06% | |
Scottish National Party | 59 | 3.25% | |
Some Kind of Irish Unionist | 4 | 0.22% | |
Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian | 3 | 0.17% | |
Some Kind of Irish Nationalist | 36 | 1.98% | |
Misc. Far Left Trots | 35 | 1.93% | |
Misc. Far Right Fash | 8 | 0.44% | |
Monster Raving Loony | 49 | 2.70% | |
Space Navies Party | 39 | 2.15% | |
Independent / Single Issue | 2 | 0.11% | |
Can't Vote | 188 | 10.35% | |
Won't Vote | 8 | 0.44% | |
Spoiled Ballot | 15 | 0.83% | |
Pissflaps | 312 | 17.17% | |
Total: | 1817 votes |
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Jeremy Corbyn probably thought that member of the public deserved to survive being shot. However it's strong and stable to believe they should have been shot-to-kill.
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# ? Jun 4, 2017 17:34 |
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# ? May 14, 2024 03:51 |
Whoops? What are you implying? That the police used excessive force when they shot the three terrorists who where stabbing people all over the place?
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# ? Jun 4, 2017 17:34 |
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nopantsjack posted:I just can't loving deal with these vile cunts who hate refugees somehow, even the description of that Youtube video makes me want to bite someones throat out. I'm of the totally gut feeling that we actually need wars to function properly. Not necessarily horrible giant world wars, but a few civil wars here and there to release pressure. America, for example, seems like a country that should have fallen to violence by now. Instead it limps on pretending it's united. Under the surface it's police are essentially a fascist paramilitary and if things do kick off it's going to be horribly violent and over very quickly. Not in the lefts favour. Seems to me that it should never have got to that stage. People should have violently protested before this kicking off a larger movement. I'm a dumb gently caress and all this is just "wut i think" but it's like all our peace is just going to lead to the mother of all civilisation collapses. GaussianCopula posted:Whoops? It's quite simple. He means "whoops" they shot an innocent. It's not hard.
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# ? Jun 4, 2017 17:34 |
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GaussianCopula posted:Whoops? I know it's not part of your ideology but we tend to frown upon shooting innocent civilians.
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# ? Jun 4, 2017 17:35 |
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https://www.facebook.com/www.JOE.co.uk/videos/902260309938036/ this is great
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# ? Jun 4, 2017 17:35 |
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knox_harrington posted:Edit to add I am dumbfounded that people are openly calling for internment camps. What the gently caress is going on. Katie Hopkins is not a person.
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# ? Jun 4, 2017 17:35 |
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GaussianCopula posted:Whoops? I believe the possibility of this is exactly what he's implying, yes. It's kind of like how Harris used excessive force when fighting the Germans who were gassing people all over the place. Though since learning of you, I've softened a great deal on Harris.
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# ? Jun 4, 2017 17:37 |
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knox_harrington posted:Whoops To be fair, Farage/Hopkins do it purely for attention. They basically go onto US networks like Fox and make up outrageous lies in order to serve the political interests of the network - namely to portray Europe in a state of utter terror, war and chaos, so as to strengthen Trump/Republicans, by letting them posture: "Thats what happens when liberals win, we can't let that happen here too, etc" Farage/Hopkins/etc know they are lying and whoring themselves out, but they don't care - its not intended for a UK audience, and it gains them money, infamy and profile in the US.
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# ? Jun 4, 2017 17:37 |
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Steve2911 posted:How is that only revealed nearly a day later? I have to say I'm sceptical about police shooting abilities, particularly since they managed to miss Menezes with half the shots despite standing on him. They're also increasingly carrying assault rifles instead of 9mm so the possibility of bullets going through and hitting bystanders is loads higher.
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# ? Jun 4, 2017 17:38 |
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Spangly A posted:Farage is dogwhistling like a madman there but I've read the Pilger article and I definitely have a lot of questions about why the gently caress the bomber managed to dodge arrest and how his involvement in an mi5 affiliated extremist group influenced this back in 2011 there were articles like this: quote:But others are in the Benghazi-based Libyan rebel movement, the most prominent being Abdel-Hakim Belhaj, the commander of Tripoli's military council who spearheaded the attack on Gaddafi's compound at Bab al-Aziziya last month – and has made waves by complaining that MI6 provided intelligence on him to the regime that imprisoned and tortured him. and ECJ decisions like that: quote:The government has been ordered to hand back the passport of a Manchester man branded a terror suspect by American intelligence.
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# ? Jun 4, 2017 17:38 |
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GaussianCopula posted:Whoops?
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# ? Jun 4, 2017 17:39 |
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Orange Devil posted:I believe the possibility of this is exactly what he's implying, yes. In reality it's just that shooting a civilian by accident is the kind of thing you generally don't want to do, even if it can't be avoided. Hence 'whoops' - a statement we make when we do something unintended.
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# ? Jun 4, 2017 17:39 |
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GaussianCopula posted:Whoops? No, not at all, it is unfortunate but is still careless.
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# ? Jun 4, 2017 17:40 |
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Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:Welcome to the internet Let's be clear here. The views you purport, whether you genuinely believe them or not, are sickening. I know you think you're just doing the poo poo posting or whatever, so for the sake of unambiguity I want you to know that its not big, it's not clever, it's not funny, and you shouldn't post here.
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# ? Jun 4, 2017 17:42 |
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To clarify further, yes you have upset me, and a lot of other people.
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# ? Jun 4, 2017 17:43 |
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Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:Welcome to the internet "This is just the way it is," says person actively and needlessly contributing to the way it currently is
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# ? Jun 4, 2017 17:45 |
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Corbyn needs to come out swinging if labour are going to keep any sort of momentum. And not just the usual police numbers business, he needs to hit the conservatives over arming Saudi Arabia, helping Jihadis in Libya, Cameron's sixty thousand moderate extremists in Syria, etc etc. Otherwise Labour will be swept away in a tide of 'Corbyn disagrees with shoot to kill', 'Our friends Hamas', 'Diane Abbott home secretary lol'. Of course he won't, so eh. The problem with those facebook memes of 'Theresa May says Corbyn supports terrorism, but she meets with Saudis, the biggest terrorism supporters of them all' is that Labour haven't actually made that point, it only gets passed around in facebook echo chambers.
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# ? Jun 4, 2017 17:45 |
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it's a huge shitshow, to borrow a phrase, but is it really unexpected given a Cold War standard of funding anticommunists who turn out to be uncontrollable fascist terrorists that go around bombing critical Western regional partners, or funding antiimperialists who turn out to be uncontrollable ethnonationalists who go around bombing critical Soviet or PRC regional partners? which is really the problem with the Pilgerian worldview - too much foresight. well, that and the always-bizarre petrodollar obsession.
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# ? Jun 4, 2017 17:46 |
knox_harrington posted:No, not at all, it is unfortunate but is still careless. I'm sure the police officer or Blue Thunder soldier who wounded the civilian did so because he was careless and not because he was in a very chaotic situation. I think it's safe to assume that the police/soldiers did the best they could to not harm civilians and it's insulting to think that they acted careless.
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# ? Jun 4, 2017 17:47 |
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Tigey posted:
They cynically use these tragedies to market themselves. Hopkins has been sacked by LBC and Mail on Sunday, and was kicked off the Sun a whole back. She's desperately looking for the next meal ticket
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# ? Jun 4, 2017 17:47 |
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ronya posted:it's a huge shitshow, to borrow a phrase, but is it really unexpected given a Cold War standard of funding anticommunists who turn out to be uncontrollable fascist terrorists that go around bombing critical Western regional partners, or funding antiimperialists who turn out to be uncontrollable ethnonationalists who go around bombing critical Soviet or PRC regional partners? I mean we could always not do these things, and it's very frustrating when those doing it constantly pretend that it's not their fault and get away with it. GaussianCopula posted:I'm sure the police officer or Blue Thunder soldier who wounded the civilian did so because he was careless and not because he was in a very chaotic situation. I think it's safe to assume that the police/soldiers did the best they could to not harm civilians and it's insulting to think that they acted careless. actually it's insulting to ignore the police officers who've spent quite some time saying that they are unable to function properly, and our responses should not look like this, and there is blame to be laid at the government, you horrid nazi little oval office
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# ? Jun 4, 2017 17:51 |
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Steve2911 posted:How is that only revealed nearly a day later? It was mentioned last night but I guess they're only now confirming that's exactly what happened
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# ? Jun 4, 2017 17:51 |
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GaussianCopula posted:I'm sure the police officer or Blue Thunder soldier who wounded the civilian did so because he was careless and not because he was in a very chaotic situation. I think it's safe to assume that the police/soldiers did the best they could to not harm civilians and it's insulting to think that they acted careless. I feel like if the force was genuinely contrite they would have mentioned it as soon as they could and apologised, and not sneaked it out over Twitter
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# ? Jun 4, 2017 17:53 |
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Serotonin posted:They cynically use these tragedies to market themselves. Hopkins has been sacked by LBC and Mail on Sunday, and was kicked off the Sun a whole back. She's desperately looking for the next meal ticket Much like Jesus, she too must face many trials.
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# ? Jun 4, 2017 17:54 |
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Tesseraction posted:Jeremy Corbyn probably thought that member of the public deserved to survive being shot. However it's strong and stable to believe they should have been shot-to-kill. If you can take the attackers alive, you can get intelligence for future attacks. I don't think that was his point but capturing attackers alive is very useful.
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# ? Jun 4, 2017 17:55 |
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Irony Be My Shield posted:It's not illegal but she should be constantly called out for trying to silence the opposition by agreeing to suspend campaigning while promoting Tory pledges. I agree entirely.
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# ? Jun 4, 2017 17:59 |
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Lote posted:If you can take the attackers alive, you can get intelligence for future attacks. I don't think that was his point but capturing attackers alive is very useful. so that they can live a life of luxury at taxpayers expense?!?!?! LEFTIE LOONYLIBERAL NONSENSE!!!!!!!!
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# ? Jun 4, 2017 17:59 |
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GaussianCopula posted:I'm sure the police officer or Blue Thunder soldier who wounded the civilian did so because he was careless and not because he was in a very chaotic situation. I think it's safe to assume that the police/soldiers did the best they could to not harm civilians and it's insulting to think that they acted careless. I've been in the exact situation where I could not engage because of civilians being too close, and I've dressed a child's wounds after they were shot by enemy fire in a contact, so yes I very much understand the difficulty. Hard to tell what happened but in general shooting bystanders is Not Okay.
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# ? Jun 4, 2017 18:00 |
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Lote posted:If you can take the attackers alive, you can get intelligence for future attacks. I don't think that was his point but capturing attackers alive is very useful. Quoting them being stupid fuckers at their trial might also be handy. These guys had fake bombs for exactly this reason, they knew the police would shoot to kill when not doing that could actually be more productive.
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# ? Jun 4, 2017 18:04 |
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Here, have a hot take: https://twitter.com/Tim_R_Dawson/status/871411035386904579
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# ? Jun 4, 2017 18:06 |
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Namtab posted:I feel like if the force was genuinely contrite they would have mentioned it as soon as they could and apologised, and not sneaked it out over Twitter What? This is on BBC news right now, it's not been sneaked out. The police killed 3 attackers within 8 minutes of the 999 call going out; they did so whilst said attackers were running around with knives, stabbing people, wearing what were thought to be bomb vests; and all this on a busy Saturday night in the middle of a metropolis. Injuring a civilian in these circumstances is tragic, but it's not the 'gotcha' for the police force that you seem to think it is.
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# ? Jun 4, 2017 18:08 |
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Definition of good guy. : a morally correct person or character : a hero. : someone who is eager to use nuclear weapons to kill millions of children.
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# ? Jun 4, 2017 18:10 |
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Lote posted:If you can take the attackers alive, you can get intelligence for future attacks. I don't think that was his point but capturing attackers alive is very useful. Corbyns comments about shoot to kill were in reference to the policy in Northern Ireland, where IRA members were shot by the SAS on sight, without being given any warning and without any immediate threat being visible. That's what a 'shoot to kill policy' means. His words were just twisted by the BBC.
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# ? Jun 4, 2017 18:12 |
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why didn't the police have homing bullets?
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# ? Jun 4, 2017 18:12 |
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oxford_town posted:What? This is on BBC news right now, it's not been sneaked out. So it does, in a single line.
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# ? Jun 4, 2017 18:12 |
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Namtab posted:So it does, in a single line. I don't understand.
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# ? Jun 4, 2017 18:13 |
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TheRat posted:Here, have a hot take: CORBYN BAD CORBYN BAD CORBYN BAD COR- https://twitter.com/Tim_R_Dawson/status/868876043289022465 -BYN BAD CORBYN BAD CORBYN BAD ...
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# ? Jun 4, 2017 18:15 |
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jeffrey epstein's lawyer isn't a fan https://twitter.com/AlanDersh/status/871015594040143873
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# ? Jun 4, 2017 18:15 |
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oxford_town posted:I don't understand. I'm saying its quite easy to overlook the one line.
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# ? Jun 4, 2017 18:15 |
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# ? May 14, 2024 03:51 |
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Yeah the shoot to kill policy that Corbyn was criticising is nothing to do with how you stop people who are presenting an active threat.
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# ? Jun 4, 2017 18:15 |